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  1. I personally did not like this discussion and I would have walked away when the preacher started to insult the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم), but I would appreciate your thoughts on the discussion as well as some well substantiated defences to the preachers arguments. In summary: preacher basically brings forth 4:24 (the verse about slavery or married women as slaves) and says Islam is an immoral religion. The polite and respectful Shia brother responds by saying that since we are in the ghaybat al Kubra, there is no war or expansionism, and so this verse would no longer relevant. The Christian just dismisses him and says you didn’t bring any ahadith from your Imams that the verse is no longer applicable. I wish that there were different interpretations and accounts of the verse given instead of accepting that it allows enslaving “married non-muslim women” and “raping” them. Anyway, I personally believe these issues are very contextual and nuanced, and throwing out buzzwords like “rape” and “slavery” is something these anti-Islam preachers love to do. I have added a quote of one of the Study Qur’an’s interpretations of the verse. Please feel free to add more. If a non-Muslim comes across this post then I recommend you begin by reading this article to understand the nuance: https://www.al-islam.org/slavery-allamah-sayyid-saeed-akhtar-rizvi/islam-attacks-slavery
  2. I found it quite disturbing. Is it in relation to defensive war and prisoners of war (the prisoners can be kept as slaves)?
  3. Has anyone heard anything about this?? I refuse to use Apple products for different reasons, but this is a great reason as to why I will never give Apple another blessed cent ever again. Absolutely horrible, but figures considering that Apple is an SJW company and they're almost always complete hypocrites. https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-forced-uighur-labor-iphone-factory-2020-3
  4. salam, who do you depend on & what are your thoughts on what doc Clarke is saying? I think he's limited to his thinking. who raises orphans by the way? whilst wondering who taught him inasmuch as his residential dwellings is thee Worst.
  5. Slavery in Libya https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Libya Slavery in Libya[1][2][3][4] has a long history and a lasting impact on the Libyan culture. It is closely connected with the wider context of slavery in North Africa. Therefore, it is better understood when this wider scope is taken into account.
  6. Salam, I've briefly searched Shiachat for reasonable and source-based responses to this, but haven't found any. Slavery is allowed in Islam, since Islam did not abolish it. Allamah Tabatabai writes in his tafsir Al-Mizan under verses 4:23-28: "Sexual intercourse with one's slave women is lawful without marriage." Imam Sajjad also mentions the rights of slaves in his Treatise of Rights. The Quran on numerous occasions uses the term "those whom your right hands possess", referring to slaves. So here are some of my questions: How does Islamic law define a slave? Are only prisoners of war allowed to be taken as slaves? What is an Islamically halal way of obtaining a slave? What is the rationale behind making prisoners of wars slaves? Is it to punish them? For how long will this punishment last? Will the slaves' children also be slaves? If yes, why (what wrong have these children done to be slaves)? And is it forbidden to have sex with a female slave or prisoner of war without her consent? Provide proof (sources that say it's forbidden). And can free women also have sex with their male slaves and/or prisoners of war? Please don't say it has no more relevance in the modern world. That's not the point. I want to learn about what Islam has to say on this matter. Non-Muslims often question the integrity and peaceful nature of Islam, and slavery is one of their objections. I want to be able to answer them reasonably. This is an intellectual pursuit, not a practical one (I'm not looking for slaves at the moment), and it's very important.
  7. Salaam, Today I would like to speak about the Elephant Camel in the Room. As we know for approximately the past two decades (especially) Islam's media image has been filled with malaise. In today's world it is ever so easy to connect to the internet and digest information, in consequence it easy to presume that you have superior knowledge in certain subjects or area, Islam I believe is one of the least spared when it comes to pseudo intellectual trolls posting oh so very much one this religion. You know what I speak of, the Rapist,Raider,Pedo etc...Moon worshipper? Before losing track on the vast creativity, ignorance and hate filled garbage, I want to focus on a new emerging class some may have already seen it rear its ugly head, do you know what I speak of? I am speaking about the "Bourgeoisie, look at these Muslim apologists will they never learn ?" class. I hope everyone can debate together to deconstruct these arguments. It is vital given the situation and its rapid growth. thanks in advance! I will play Iblis's Advocate please join the conversation "haters" included Here are two sites I suggest before starting https://sites.google.com/site/islamicthreatsimplified/islamic-muslim-apologists--who-are-they http://www.***.org/Authors/Arlandson/ten_reasons.htm the below will be the first point this one nicks at me the most at the moment (it is pulled from the second site) I hope all can provide a clear defense. 4. Muhammad aggressively attacks Meccan caravans. A year or so after Muhammad’s Hijrah from Mecca to Medina in 622, he attacks Meccan caravans six times, and sent out a punitive expedition three-days away against an Arab tribe that stole some Medinan grazing camels (or cattle), totaling seven raids. W. Montgomery Watt, a highly reputable Western Islamologist who writes in favor of Muhammad and whose two-volume history of early Islam (Muhammad at Mecca (1953) and Muhammad at Medina(1956)) has won wide acceptance, tells us why geography matters: The chief point to notice is that the Muslims took the offensive. With one exception the seven expeditions were directed against Meccan caravans. The geographical situation lent itself to this. Caravans from Mecca to Syria had to pass between Medina and the coast. Even if they kept as close to the Red Sea as possible, they had to pass within about eighty miles of Medina, and, while at this distance from the enemy base, would be twice as far from their own base. (Muhammad at Medina, emphasis added, p. 2) It must be emphatically stated that the Meccans never sent a force up to the doorstep of Medina at this time—they did later on when they were fed up with Muhammad’s aggressions. It is true that the Meccans gathered forces to protect their caravans, but when Muhammad confronted them, they were many days’ journeys away from Medina, often more than eighty miles. (Medina and Mecca are around 200-250 miles from each other, taking seven to eleven days of travel by foot, horse, or camel.) Hence, two Muslim scholar-apologists are misleading when they assert that the caravans "passed through" Medina, adding that the Muslims haphazardly sought for whatever spoils they could get, whereas the Meccans mobilized for war (Isma’il R. al-Faruqi and Lois Lamya’al Faruqi, The Cultural Atlas of Islam, New York: Macmillan, 1986, 134). Rather, it is more accurate to say that the Muslims were aggressively harassing the Meccans. To complete the picture of expeditions, raids and wars in Muhammad’s life from 622 to 632, Watt totals up the number that Muhammad either sent out or went out on: seventy-four (Muhammad at Medina, pp. 2; 339-43). They range from negotiations (only a few compared to the violent expeditions), to small assassination hit squads, to the conquest of Mecca with 10,000 jihadists, and to the confrontation of Byzantine Christians (who never showed up), with 30,000 holy warriors to Tabuk (see below). For a fuller account of these six early aggressive attacks against Meccan caravans, go to this article, which explains more thoroughly why these attacks are not defensive. Thus, aggressive military violence sits at the heart of early Islam—in Muhammad’s life and in the Quran. Islam is therefore not the religion of peace Salaam,
  8. SalamAlakum, What is Islam's stance on slavery? There are 29 verses in the Quran which refer to "those whom your right hands possess." From common sensical understanding these refer to the slaves of that time. How can we explain to a non-muslim that Islam indeed abolished slavery or reformed it? Please give references for any answers, views and also hadiths. IHH
  9. SalamAlakum, What is Islam's stance on slavery? There are 29 verses in the Quran which refer to "those whom your right hands possess." From common sensical understanding these refer to the slaves of that time. How can we explain to a non-muslim that Islam indeed abolished slavery or reformed it? Please give references for any answers, views and also hadiths. IHH
  10. So I've noticed alot of discussion going on in the other slavery thread. Personally I'm against it and think it's disgusting. However I've noticed people defending it.....So the question is....would you ever want to own a slave?
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