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I am a layman, an average person with average or below average knowledge/intellect. But certain things are very clear to us lay/average people. One of them is this Slogan of 'Only Allah". I do not know which "The God" they are referring to when they say/demand 'Only God" in Command in the past, and "worship" today. https://www.al-islam.org/nahjul-balagha-part-1-sermons/sermon-184-keep-silent-may-Allah-disgrace-you ***** Today- its related to this phantom concept of their "version/definition" of the concept "Worship". This Slogan which on the surface looks True was/is Utilized by the ones looking to gain power/worldly gains. Causing many issues among the Muslims and is used as a rally point to plunder the wealth/property/land/places of worships/women & children and lives. What is the reality of this call “ Only Allah” 1)Who is this God that call on? 2)How did this God communicate with them, Was it a direct communication? 3)How did this Group come to know of this God? 4)How do they understand what this God wants from them? 5)How do they prove what they understand is this God’s command to others? 6)How many Gods are there, every group/Individual in every age has a different interpretations of this God's commands? 7) Did the some Arabs, especially at or after the conquest of Mecca- who worshiped many gods, said let verbally accept one god, for political reasons, but we will undermine this man. 8) Why did Qur'an keeps reminding the Believers to Obey the Messenger of Allah(awj)? 9) Why they did not acknowledge the Authority of the Messenger of Allah(awj)? 10) How was this notion, used by internal and external enemy in the past and today to undermine Islam? ***** https://www.al-islam.org/nahjul-balagha-part-1-sermons/sermon-7-they-have-made-satan-master-their-affairs ***** These three Topic Shirk/Quranist/Psychological Warfare are important in this discussion. http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235034818-a-dialogue-on-your-understanding-of-shirk/ http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235037162-the-quranist-movement/ http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235035658-psychological-warfare-on-the-internet/
Assalaaam'alikum everyone, thanks for reading. I've been up all night and slouching at work pondering this. The Shia' side of Islam purposes that our Prophet SAW was infallible and acted out Islam (which I agree with from an infallible perspective that the Prophet never intentionally committed a wrong or sinful act and therefore has not), before it was revealed since his birth correctly its true form..., (im not sure if this is extended to the imams as well it seems so) But don't these verses sort of contradict this? Unless I'm wrong on that perspective, please correct me if I'm wrong. I'm only basing this from what Ive heard interacting with others here and its possible i've misunderstood. 46:9 Say, "I am not something original among the messengers, nor do I know what will be done with me or with you. I only follow that which is revealed to me, and I am not but a clear warner." 10:15 And when Our verses are recited to them as clear evidences, those who do not expect the meeting with Us say, "Bring us a Qur'an other than this or change it." Say, [O Muhammad], "It is not for me to change it on my own accord. I only follow what is revealed to me. Indeed I fear, if I should disobey my Lord, the punishment of a tremendous Day." 7:203 And when you, [O Muhammad], do not bring them a sign, they say, "Why have you not contrived it?" Say, "I only follow what is revealed to me from my Lord. This [Qur'an] is enlightenment from your Lord and guidance and mercy for a people who believe." 6:50 Say, [O Muhammad], "I do not tell you that I have the depositories [containing the provision] of Allah or that I know the unseen, nor do I tell you that I am an angel. I only follow what is revealed to me." Say, "Is the blind equivalent to the seeing? Then will you not give thought?" I mean unless i've misunderstood or someone misspoke, These verses seem to directly go against the idea that the Prophet SAW lived and exemplified the Qu'ran/God's Laws prior to their revelation. A recurring theme, amazingly Sub'an Allah, where he says "I only follow what is revealed to me", no one in that time seems to pick up on the Prophet SAW living or exemplifying Islamic manifestations prior to revelation and brings it up... Being unaware of God's message doesn't give capacity to one to sin, of course. and to a lesser extent, these verses: 118:10 Say, "I am only a man like you, to whom has been revealed that your god is one God. So whoever would hope for the meeting with his Lord - let him do righteous work and not associate in the worship of his Lord anyone." 27:65 Say, "None in the heavens and earth knows the unseen except Allah , and they do not perceive when they will be resurrected." -The Qur'an was Unseen before the Prophet's SAW birth. was it not? Thoughts? commentS? Advice? Suggestions?
Aslamu Alaikum! I know that many people here disagree with me and before you read, I need you to have an open mind. Nothing in my post is meant to be offensive--it should just be an explanation of Allah's true religion. I do consider the Sunni, shias and all the other hadith following sects of Islam disbelievers. This is because they are rejecting the Quran and following hadiths. My main point here is to present arguments for Quran-Only Islam and hope to debate with you. I haven't had much debate experience with shia's--Mostly with sunnis and many sunnis disappoint me in their debates. I see too much rhetoric, too much appeal to popularity/authority fallacies, too much arrogance and misinterpretation of clear Quranic verses. So this is why I am here. I hope that Shia's are more open minded and inviting to Allah's verses. I want to let you know that I am not entirely well read in the shia hadiths as I am in the sunni hadiths. All I know is that such an ideology is against the Quran. I will start by mentioning the flaws in following hadiths: Now a quick run through of a flaw in the hadith (or shall I call it the telephone game or chinese whispers) Flaw 1) The Quran says NOTHING or even mentions the hadiths or following them. If the Quran is the only source of law and says nothing of hadiths and tells us to not follow any other book, then following hadiths are not a commandment from Allah. And if you are a follower of hadiths you are NOT a Muslim (submitter). You disregarded Allah's strict commandment. Flaw 2) The 'science' of hadiths is bad philosophy and hardly a science. First of all hadiths are chinese whispers, it is like the telophone game in elementary school where you whisper things to student and the student whispers to the next in the whole class. How often is the last whisper the same as the original? Secondly, the hadith collectors decided to collect hadiths and call them 'sahih' based on the character of the hadith whisper chain. Now the issue is, couldn't the fabricator also fabricate the chain of narrations. I could go on and on, but I will later. Flaw 3) The number of hadiths collected and attributed to the prophet Muhammed is in the hundreds of thousands, as much as 700,000. The majority of these hadith are pure lies and fabrications and were rejected by the early Muslim scholars who thought they can figure out which hadith is authentic and which is not. Let us look at some of the famous hadiths collectors and what they collected. Ahmed Ibn Hanbal, collected about 40,000 hadiths, in his famous "Musnad".He chose these 40,000 hadiths from among 700,000 hadiths. In other words he thought 660,000 hadith were un-proven, lies and/or fabrications and the others may be authentic. That is 94% lies and fabricationsBukhari collected about 600,000 hadiths and accepted 7275 hadiths and considered 592,725 hadiths to be un-proven hadiths, lies and/or fabrications, that is almost 99% of what he collected .Moslem collected 300,000 hadiths and only accepted 4000 of them, and refused about 296,000, that is almost 99% of these collected hadiths . This gives us an idea of how much corruption entered or tried to enter Islam from the back door. Now we should understand why God promised to preserve, protect and safeguard His book which is described as the only authentic hadith, the only acceptable hadith and the best hadith. IF that is how much corruption entered in the hadiths, then that should make you think about the nature of hadiths and how they are nothing more than fabrications. I'm sure Bukhari and Moslem are infallible and they would pick the right ones. LOL!! 700,000 hadiths, 99% corruption according to Bukhari. Again LOL ;D What does the Quran say about that: [Quran 6:112] And thus We have made for every prophet an enemy - devils from mankind and jinn, inspiring to one another decorative speech in delusion. But if your Lord had willed, they would not have done it, so leave them and that which they invent. I believe that all of my beliefs are rational and reasonable. I am open minded and I would be 100% willing to dump a dead belief system. Hadiths are that belief system. You'd have to reach a new height in irrationality to believe in that nonsense even despite the Quran tells us NOT to. Quran 69:40, 43-46 [That] indeed, the Qur'an is the word of a noble Messenger...And if Muhammad had made up about Us some sayings [besides the Quran],We would have seized him by the right hand; Then We would have cut from him the aorta. Muhammad can not make up ANYTHING about Islam/Allah--everything he states was in the Quran. He was literally a walking Quran. He judges by the Quran and the Quran only. If I had to give one verse that completely defeats the hadith scene, it would be this one: Quran 45:6 These are the verses of Allah which We recite to you in truth. Then in what statement other than Allah and His verses will they believe? Let's break this verse down. The beginning of the verse talks about the Quran. THESE are the verses of Allah in which we recite to you in truth. It is speaking of the Quran. You MUST agree with this as any honest person would. A sentence later, Allah tells you in what statement other than THESE verses will YOU believe? That means no other religious statement other than what is in THOSE verses can be believed. What does the word "THESE" refer to? If I write a book and within the book I say "THESE are the sentences that we write to you. What statement will you follow besides me and my sentences". What does not refer to? It refers to the sentences of the Book. So when Allah says THESE are my revelations that I recite to you, it means the Quran is Allah revelations that are recited to you--in what statement besides Allah's revelations (Quran) will you believe. Please spare me the "obey the messenger" thing. I have heard that too many times and have defeated it. If you want to hear my arguments against that, let me know.
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