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  1. According to our brothers in Ahlul Sunnah wa Jamaat, our Holy Prophet (pbuh) did not leave behind any successor and he left for the Muslim Ummah to decide. On the contrary, Shias say that our Holy Prophet did leave behind a successor. Without getting into too many details on the same, I just wanted to ask a quick question. Our Sunni brothers also tell us that the Prophet (pbuh) gave indications to the ummah about who the next successor should be (remember the incident of leading the prayers which is quoted extensively). This just doesn't make sense. Either the Prophet left no successor or if he gave any indications then he did leave behind a successor. There is no third option. 1) If the opinion is that he gave indications then the whole concept of Muslim Ummah to decide falls flat because you are then accusing the Prophet of not sticking to his words (nauzubillah) as he wants the Ummah to decide but is interfering with their decision. And if he did want a particular person to be his successor then the whole notion of not leaving a successor which is being spread is incorrect and this should not be encouraged. 2) If he did not nominate a successor and wanted the Ummah to decide then the statements made about Prophet that he wanted Abu Bakr to lead the prayers and hence it was a sign given by the Prophet should be dismissed as a fabrication. Which of the above two options do our Sunni brothers agree with?
  2. Selam everyone, So I have watched some islamic videos on youtube on this channel: SoldierOfAllah2 There were 2 videos that caught my attention regarding the comments bellow in which shia and sunni brothers were discussing about a wide range of topics such as: the prophet mentioning who his successor would be , that umar and abu bakr were tirans, that they threatened to burn the house of Hz.Ali and killed his wife fatima and her unborn child by kicking in the door. Here are some quotes of a Shia brother: The Prophet chose and favored and talked about and presented Ali to people more than any one else ever lived. Yet you still say he is equal to the Caliphs. Ali was courageous, two caliphs started running away from Khaybar. Yet Ali is still equal. Okay. Two caliphs killed the daughter of the Prophet, they're still equal. One angered Fatima, yet he is still equal to Ali. Ali slept in the bed of the Prophet, another didn't give the pencil to the Prophet when he was in the bed. Anyway, Ali is the first rightly guided caliph, not the fourth, as his right was deprived. Ali is infallible and an Imam using the proofs and evidence we put on the table from Quran and the hadiths. We do not blame the Prophet; we blame the people after the Prophet. Abu Bakr and Umar and Uthman. The Prophet did his job and chose Ali as his successor. Said the Quran and the progeny. You took one and threw the other away. I really want clarification on this subject as sunnis came with comments as: ollowing two narrations were reported by both sunni's and Shee'ahs. The first one is quoted from Saheeh al Bukhaaree and the second one is quoted from a Shee'ah book: "Takhlees ash-Shaafee" It is mutawaatir upon 'Alee radhiallaahu anhu ((Which of the people is best after the Messenger salallaahu alaihi wa salam? He said: "Aboo Bakr" I said: "Then whom?" he said "Then Umar" and I feared he would say Uthmaan then I said "then you?" he said "I am not except a man from the Muslims")) The second from a shia book. Shareek bin 'Abdillaah, the Taabi'ee, when he was asked, "who is better.. Abu Bakr or 'Alee" He said "Abu Bakr". The one who asked him said, "You say this while you are a Shee'ee?" He said, "Yes any one who does not say this is not a Shee'ah by Allaah, Alee took up this pulpit and said, "ألا إن خير هذه الأمة بعد رسول الله، أبي بكر ثم عمر" By Allaah the best of this Ummah after its prophet is Abu Bakr and then 'Umar so how can we turn down and reject his saying? By Allaah he was not a liar." Narrated from Alee from more than 80 ways of narration (Talkhees ash-Shaafee Vol. 2, 428) That is ali saying it in your own book. I don't take it as authentic because it has no chain of narration like all other shia books but just to prove a point to you I will use it. they try to tell that after our prophet(PBUH) passed away the people fairly chose abu bakr as his successor, and this while Hz.Ali was washing the body of our prophet even! Could I get some clarifications concerning what the prophet actually said in his speech about his successor and leaving 2 weights behind: the holy quran and the ahlul al bayt. furthermore about what abu bakr and umar did in their lives did they do bad things? also why do sunnis think that shia are making everything up?
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