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Questions about the Quran's compilation and order
StayingHalal posted a topic in Theology and General Religion
Salaam What do you know about these questions related to the Quran please: 1. Was the book form compiled during and under the supervision of the Prophet (saw)? 2. Is the Quran in the order as intended by the Prophet (saw)? 3. Why is the Quran not in the order of revelation? 4. Were entire verses revealed at a time, or were segments of a verse revealed on separate occasions but collated into one verse at a later date? (E.g 33:33 first part that talks about the wives revealed in January, second part that talks about purification revealed in July). Just some background info; Discussing the above with a Twelver Shia who believes that there was a committee endorsed by Abu Bakr whom were tasked with compiling the Quran after the Prophet's (saw) demise. And that the Quran was also compiled by Imam Ali, which supposedly had a different order, but this was dismissed by the establishment. This is a popular belief in the Twelver community I've grown up in - as read from the mimbar. I don't personally believe this. IMO, if the Quran hasn't been left by the Prophet (saw) in the intended order then that would mean a distortion in Allah's book which would question ayats such as "Surely We have revealed the Reminder and We will most surely be its guardian" [15:9] and "Falsehood shall not come to it from before it nor from behind it; a revelation from the Wise, the Praised One" [41:42]. Allah refers to the Quran as a book [correct me if I'm wrong]. Why if it wasn't in book form? Then you have hadith Thaqalain where the Prophet (saw) said that he leaves behind the Quran and Ahlulbayt. Rationally it doesn't make sense that the Prophet (saw) would leave without compiling it as it ought to be compiled. So I believe yes for 1 and 2, and for 3 i believe it was left in the best order for mankind to derive benefit, albeit you still have to refer to external sources/Imam to know about the historical event that happened. 4 would be interesting to find out about... Something interesting i heard from Nakshawani (who believes the Quran is in the intended order) is that (with exception to surah Fateha) the first verse of a surah is a continuation of the last verse of a previous surah. E.g 1:7 and 2:1 both talk about guidance. Another theory I've heard is that (for example) the reason why the first revelation "iqra" is at surah number 96, is because it was the 96th surah to be revealed in full. In other words, once all the verses of a Surah were revealed, that's the order it got in terms of chapter number. Your thoughts? -
SalamAlaykum Brothers and sisters. I hope you are all well in shaa Allah. Basically I had a question regarding this Ayat. It's 4:163 Surah An-Nisa, Verse 163: إِنَّا أَوْحَيْنَا إِلَيْكَ كَمَا أَوْحَيْنَا إِلَىٰ نُوحٍ وَالنَّبِيِّينَ مِن بَعْدِهِ وَأَوْحَيْنَا إِلَىٰ إِبْرَاهِيمَ وَإِسْمَاعِيلَ وَإِسْحَاقَ وَيَعْقُوبَ وَالْأَسْبَاطِ وَعِيسَىٰ وَأَيُّوبَ وَيُونُسَ وَهَارُونَ وَسُلَيْمَانَ وَآتَيْنَا دَاوُودَ زَبُورًا Surely We have revealed to you as We revealed to Nuh, and the prophets after him, and We revealed to Ibrahim and Ismail and Ishaq and Yaqoub and the tribes, and Isa and Ayub and Yunus and Haroun and Sulaiman and We gave to Dawood Zabuur (English - Shakir) via iQuran --------____________======___________ Why are the Prophets in such a order in this Ayat. I mean Noah Abraham Isaac Ishmael and Jacob make sense because of the Genealogy but the rest of those Prophets in the Ayat I have no clue. Has any of you come across this Ayat and maybe asked the same Question. Why being in such a Order. And for those who will say that it isn't important etc. I will reply to say that there is always a reason why Allah reveales the Ayat in a specific way. I wanna know in shaa Allah. Cant wait for the replies!!!
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Order and length of Surahs - Please shed some light
realizm posted a topic in Theology and General Religion
I have to admit thah after many years I still don't know exactly the reasons behind the order of our Holy Qur'an. After some research, some very simple questions still remained unanswered : - What were the other methods of compilation before "Uthman's version" ? Were there for instance chronological compilations ? - Did the Prophet (s) give some instructions like "such verses are to be linked with such" ? - I was reading another thread regarding the Basmallah. Is our reading correct since each recitation should start with ? We should find in between two verses of a same surah in many places shouldn't we ? -
For those of you, who think that I am trying to bash Pakistani people, please understand that I am a Pakistani too. But we seriously need to identify our flaws and work together to mitigate them. Otherwise we would be stuck in this never ending circle of misery. I don’t mean to cause any harm. Problem No. 3: Law & Order This should have been problem no.1 . Well law & order in Pakistan is non-existent. Period. We have so called statutes of law telling us how and what should be done. But as we all know that they can be bent anytime by the Superclass in our society. Dough is what runs this community. Every person has a price here. Justice is an unknown phenomenon. We follow no rules. Well some of us do. Like 2% to 5% of us. The zeal and vigor with which we started off as a nation has vanished into thin air. Both my maternal and paternal grandfathers were in the army back in their days and my maternal grandfather fought in WW II as well. If they saw the state in which Pakistan is in now, they would have shed tears of blood. My maternal grandfather could not sleep for days after the partition of East and West Pakistan. Our forefathers have sacrificed so much for this nation. And I don’t know where we are headed??
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