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(bismillah) In The Name of Allah (SWT) , The Most Beneficent, The Most Merciful. (salam) Here is an excerpt from a post that ChristianLady made recently on one of the threads: Now, I could have answered there but the point I wanted to make was a lot more general and aimed at Christians at large so I thought fit that I would make a separate thread for this. Before I move any further, I want to highlight some parts of what she said: 1. Jesus (as) makes it clear that The Father is greater than him; 2. Jesus (as) obeys The Father; 3. He (The Father) created Himself to be a man. Now, I don't think that any Christians can disagree with these statements because verses of the Bible do also support these so I will be basing my arguements on the assumption that every Christian, just like her, has the same beliefs. My questions are: 1. How can Jesus (as) and The Father be one (The triune god) and yet Jesus (as) is inferior to The Father? In fact, isn't God supposed to be The All-High, meaning infinitely powerful and high? If that is the case, then, any candidate for Divinity must be superior to all and inferior to none. Since Jesus (as) does not fulfill this criteria, can we call him god? There is nothing which can be greater than infinity and if something is relatively smaller than another thing, no matter how huge the first thing may be, it is still not infinite. It follows, therefore, that Jesus (as) is also NOT The All-High. 2. Why does God have to obey someone else? 3. This is, perhaps, the most interesting part of her arguement. She claims that God can do everything and, therefore, it is also possible for Him to create Himself (I will come back to this statement later). So, if we are going to use the arguement of His Omnipotence as proof for the validity of the trinity, may I ask the Christians why they reject the Hindu gods or those who worship idols? After all, God is All-Powerful and if he can take form of a man, why can't he take the form of a stone? Why is idol worship wrong then? Secondly, she says, "God created Himself to be a man." Is God not supposed to be The Uncreated? If so, since Jesus (as) is created, then, what does this make him: god or man? Another problem I have with this is that she is saying that God is creating Himself. I am sure that no one can accept such a statement and, so, I would very grateful if she - or another of our Christian brethren - could clarify these questions. My intention in doing this is to have a healthy discussion and not to hurt someone. So, if I have offended either ChristianLady or any other member, I am extremely sorry and I hope you will forgive me. Insha'Allah, I have been helpful, clear and objective in my reasoning and have not hurt anyone! :D May Allah (SWT) bless us all, our families and loved ones, guide us all to The Straight Path with His Perfect Guidance and may He, The Forgiver of Sins and The Oft-Forgiving, forgive all our sins for, verily, there is neither any refuge nor any respite for the sinners, except in Allah (SWT) .
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