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I took ShiaChat Mod's suggestion of not posting 'off topic' comments in a thread about Yasir Habib's statements, so I'm posting a new thread specifically discussing the issue of cursing and insulting him and his followers which I feel is something important to discuss. It might not be my 'call' to decide what's breaking the rules or what's not, but this a problem plaguing all our communities which is why I've chosen to create the thread in the Social/Family/Personal section because we can all fall victims to such abuse and it's damaging manifestations. My two cents on the issue: Whilst Yasir Habib does not have the following nor the large fan base as other 'religious authorites', he still has people who respect him and view him as their role model. Surely that makes him a 'religious figure' that shouldn't be cursed? Even if we were to say, for arguments sake, that he's not Shia and he's in fact the enemy of Shia; Yasir Habib would at least be included in the list of enemies of Allah Ta'ala and Ahlul Bayt (عليه السلام) as well as the misguided 'scholars'. Cursing them is also ‘strictly prohibited’ on ShiaChat: Cursing of the 3 "Caliphs" (Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman by name or number) and of any of the Holy Prophet's ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)) wives, as well as Sunni scholars is strictly prohibited. Because if we as a society tolerate the cursing and insults of any 'controversial leader', then their followers are next on the demonising list, and the divisive labelling only becomes worse; whilst all such abuse can be nipped in the bud with a robust and balanced code of conduct. Your thoughts?
Read the Reddit comments to understand what the thread was about, since the post has since been deleted. ....................................................................................... I'm so tired of the utterly nonsensical and VERY COMMON Sunni notion of 'I am happy to seek unity with Shias as long as they don't curse/insult/abuse any Sahaba, and especially NOT Aisha, Abu Bakr, Omar, Uthman. Firstly, any Shia claim regarding the sahabi that happens to go against the Sunni narrative is considered insulting. Secondly, and more importantly, is that the same notion is true for Shias... You are insulting the Ahlul Bayt by not accepting them as divinely appointed leaders of Allah, and infallible individuals, and perfect preservers of the religion of Islam, and a high means of seeking closeness to Allah (intercession). Not only are you insulting revered Shia figures by not following them, you are commiting MAJOR shirk by giving a false attribute to Allah, by saying that Allah has not always appointed an infallible leader on this Earth, and that there currently isn't an infallible leader. Furthermore, the real kicker is that plenty of revered Shia figures, such as Abu Talib (رضي الله عنه), are considered kuffar by Sunnis. Is this not insulting? So, how can we Shias unite with Sunnis based on their own fallacious logic? Shias are the minority, and Sunnis are the majority. It makes Sunnis think that they are Orthodox and that they have to unite with Heterodox for political and humanitarian reasons, and that Shias must make [ridiculous] compromises. Shias are far more receptive to the unity message, because we actually understand Sunni Islam, and can see the commonalities. We understand that we can't make Sunnis compromise on their beliefs. Simply by being the minority within Islam, by nature we Shias already understand Sunni beliefs, whereas Sunnis have a basic strawman understanding of Shia beliefs... which is natural, considering that they are the majority. Anyways, the point of my post is the following: Let's compile a list of revered Shia figures that are not given their proper status by Sunnis, according to Shia Islam... with an explanation given. ...This is to show that we Shias and Sunnis can unite, but we cannot unite upon revered figures and imamah. ...This will also serve as a way of showing Sunnis that this argument of theirs makes no sense. Another important question we may ask is "What about commonly revered figures like Imam Ali (عليه السلام) who is given different status in both sects? Can we unite upon Imam Ali (عليه السلام)?" ...a common Sunni criticism of political unity is that "Ali ibn Abi Talib (رضي الله عنه) is given an improper status in Shia religion because they call upon him... tawassul (intercession) of the 'dead' is Shirk! So there is absolutely no room for unity since we can't even agree on the status of the sahabi" [yes, I am aware that the Imams (عليه السلام) are still alive, but Sunnis don't believe this...] I would love to hear your thoughts. Wassalam. JazakAllah Khair. Fi sabilillah.
Why do our sunni friends do recycling of old and similar posts every time? Few examples are quoted from recent topics http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?/topic/235014677-disrespecting-sunni-sahaba/ http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?/topic/234981354-jang-e-jamal/ http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?/topic/235014647-umar-aisha-and-abu-bakr/page-2 http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?/topic/235014326-insulting-the-companions/ http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?/topic/11333-war-of-jamal-and-stats-of-hazrat-aisha/ http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?/topic/47884-is-cursing-aisha-haram/ http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?/topic/235013888-what-do-shias-really-think-about-abu-bakr-ra/ Do the facts dissucussed rfom both sides change in the light of history?
Salaam alaikum dear brothers and sister, hope you are all in great health. I was scrolling through the rules of this sight, when I stumbled on this one "Disrespect to any Mujtahid, Marja' Taqleed, or religious authority will not be tolerated whatsoever. Due to previous experience in this site with respect to the above rule, any topics which the moderators agree on to be of controversial nature and would lead to destructive debates and disunity amongst the Ummah will NOT be allowed on this forum. Members who do not abide by this rule would have their post locked/deleted followed by a warning/ban if they do not comply. Members are encouraged to discuss this in private (email or PM) as an alternative to avoid personal attacks and disunity on the site. The Shiachat.com team does however reserve the right to keep such threads open granted that it is put under heavy moderation and all parties engaged in the debate maintain a certain level of respect and maturity." I don't know if it's just me, but sometimes I think this rule isn't obeyed, and people get away with it far too often. For Example (correct me if I'm wrong) MDM got banned for insulting someone mother's chastity, despite the fact before that he out rightly insulted Sayed Khamenei in numerous ways. Just my observations. Please forgive me if i've made any mistakes.
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