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1. All things equal, a perfect God sends the best guides (Premise) 2. The best guides are those who show us how best to live (Premise) 3. We ought to live without sin (Premise) Argument for (3): Even if we only ever commit 1 sin, we become blameworthy (hence the need to repent) We ought to never act in a way that makes us blameworthy Therefore we ought to never commit even 1 sin. 4. The best guides show us how to live without sin (from 2 and 3) 5. The best way these guides can show us how to live, is through example (Premise) 6. Therefore the best guides are sinless (from 4 and 5) 7. Therefore, all things equal, a perfect God sends sinless guides (Conclusion, from 1 and 6)

Here is the video that I will be responding to - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGD_RxwGoZ8&t=11s In the video, the individual brings two verses to refute infallibility. The first verse is surah fatir, verse 32. It reads: "Then We granted the Book to those We have chosen from Our servants. Some of them wrong themselves, some follow a middle course, and some are foremost in good deeds by Allah’s Will. That is ˹truly˺ the greatest bounty." (35:32) He argues that we claim that our imams are the inheritors of the book, and in the verse it says that the some of the inheritors of the book wrong themselves. Therefore, the concept of infallibility is refuted. The answer comes from Al Kafi: Al-Husayn ibn Muhammad has narrated from Mu'alla ibn Muhammad from Muhammad ibn Jumhur from Hammad ibn 'Isa from 'Abd al-Mu'min from Salim who has said that he asked abu Ja'far (a.s.) about the meaning of the words of Allah, the Most Holy, the Most High. "We gave the Book as an inheritance to Our chosen servants, among whom some are unjust against their souls, some are moderate, and some are exceedingly virtuous by the permission of God. . . ." (35:31) The exceedingly virtuous is the Imam (a.s.), the moderate ones are those who know the Imams (a.s.) and the unjust ones are those who do not know the Imams (a.s.)." (Kitab al-Hujjah, Ch.24, H.1) The next argument he bring is that in surah fatiha we ask Allah to guide us to the path of those whom he has bestowed favour. He says that this group has been mentioned in the Qur'an. The verse he brings is from surah Nisa, verse 69. It reads: "And whoever obeys Allah and the Messenger - those will be with the ones upon whom Allah has bestowed favour of the prophets, the steadfast affirmers of truth, the martyrs and the righteous. And excellent are those as companions." (4:69) He argues that in this verse, only the prophets are infallible, and the others (affirmers of truth, martyrs and righteous) are not. A question arises, who said that the other groups were not infallible? Does the verse say the affirmer of truth commits sin? Again, here is a hadith from the Imam: From him, from Ahmad Bin Muhammad, from Ali Bin Al Hakam, from Sayf Bin Ameyra, from Abu Al Sabbah Al Kinany, (It has been narrated) from Abu Ja’far having said: ‘Assist us with the devoutness, for the one of you whom meets Allah Mighty and Majestic with the devoutness, there would be for him, in the Presence of Allah, a relief; and that Allah Mighty and Majestic is Saying [4:69] And whoever obeys Allah and the Rasool, these are with those upon whom Allah has Bestowed Favours from among the Prophets and the Truthful and the Martyrs and the Righteous, and a goodly company are they! Thus, from us is the Prophet, and from us is the truthful, and the martyrs and the righteous ones * (Al Kafi, Kitab al-eman wa al-kufr, Ch.37, H.12) Grading of Hadith- Sahih (Mira'at ul Uqool, Vol.8, Pg.23) If anyone has something else to add, please share.

Can anyone show me anyone of the high ullama or scholars like sayed Sistani or Sayed khamenei opinion on ALL of the prophets being masoom and completely free of sin from birth to death.

Hi. I'm going through a period of skepticism and would like to ask any ex-Muslims on here why they chose to leave Islam. What specifics were the final straw that broke the camel's back? In particular, since this is a Shia forum, I'd be interested in how your view of the following changed once you'd left Islam compared to when you were a Muslim: 1. The sacrifice of Imam Hussain at Karbala along with 72 of his followers. 2. The infallibility of the Prophet and His Miracles and 3. how do you interpret the lives of Sufi saints such as Rumi, Hallaj and Bulleh Shah after leaving Islam? These answers from you I hope will help me to elucidate my own thoughts and questions. (Moderators: perhaps this could go in the Thinkers' Discourse section; secondly, is there a way of changing one's username without making a new account?)

Salam 3alaykum wa rahmatuLahi, I would like to understand a thing related to the infallibility of the Prophets, 3alayhim salam. I know that Prophets have a higher rank than common humans and that Allah knows best of their ranks and status, may I be sacrificed for them ! But there is an ayah which causes me to ask about it: Surah al Fath ayah 2: "That Allah may forgive for you what preceded of your sin and what will follow and complete His favor upon you and guide you to a straight path" If Allah says that He forgives his future sins as his pasts ones, does that mean that Prophet Muhammad may have sinned (of course i'm not talking about major sins but saghaa'eer), and thus Allah has forgiven all of his sins? 3alayhi wa aalihi as salam As i believe on the 3isma of all the Prophets, i quite have a hard time understanding this ayah. Jazakum Allah khayra wa salam 3alaykum

السلام عليكم! I was reading Quran today and came across this ayah (9:43) which appears like the prophet (pbuhahf) is being reprimanded by Allah (swt). عَفَا اللّهُ عَنكَ لِمَ أَذِنتَ لَهُمْ حَتَّى يَتَبَيَّنَ لَكَ الَّذِينَ صَدَقُوا وَتَعْلَمَ الْكاذِبِينَ “May Allah pardon you! Why did you give them leave before you had found out those who spoke the truth and before you had known the liars?” I tried looking for a good shia tafseer online but no luck. Does anyone know of a good tafseer explaining this ayah and how it doesn't contradict the concept of infallibility?

(bismillah) In The Name of Allah (SWT) , The Most Beneficent, The Most Merciful. (salam) I hope you are all in the best of health and, more importantly, the best of Imaan (faith). :D So, this question lingering in my head for sometime now. Before I actually delve into the question, I want to give a brief introduction into Ismah (infallibility) and the positions of humans, animals and angels. According to the Islamic tradition, humans are superior to any other creation of Allah (SWT) . This is because while angels don't commit any sins, they don't have desires and, therefore, their obedience - even though it is "perfect" and unconditional - is meaningless as the lack of desires means that they have no "test" to go through. This, also, means their sinless is not perfect as there is no incentive to sin and, therefore, they don't need to do anything to avoid sin; "it is natural"! Animals, on the other hand, are "all desire" and no intellect meaning that they don't have the higher nature which would enable them to do good deeds. Humans are, according to the Islamic tradition, found in the middle of these two extreme and possess the characteristics of both these creations of Allah (SWT) . This means that they have desires - called the "ego" by some and, in Islam, an-nafs ul ammarah - which compel them to do, what are considered to be, animalistic acts which may, often, lead to sins. Additionally, humans also possess the intellect which is the part of that encourages to do good and curbs our desires, stopping us from contravening the boundaries set by God. Coming to the concept of Ismah of Prophets (peace be upon them all) and Ahlulbayt (peace be upon them all), according to the Shias, all Prophets and Ahlulbayt (peace be upon them all) are infallible and sinless. The Shias believe that Prophets (peace be upon them all), except Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) could make mistakes or choose the lesser good from two goods - a concept known as tark e aula - but they cannot sin. Subsequently, the Shias refer to Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) , His Daugther Lady Fatima (peace be upon her) and the Twelve Imams (peace be upon them all) as the masoomeen as their level of Ismah is even higher than Prophets (peace be upon them all) because they do not even do tark e aula. We also believe that Ahlulbayt (peace be upon them all) - Prophet Muhammed (pbuh), His Daughter (peace be upon her) and the Twelve Imams (peace be upon them all) - were Masoom (immaculate, sinless and error free) from the day they were born. After this introduction, my question is regarding how did the Ahlulbayt (peace be upon them all) get their Ismah. By this what I mean is if they were already Masoom from birth, then is this not a "gifted" Ismah with no work of their own? If this is the case, then they are just like angels and, therefore, cannot be higher than them but, according to our belief, they are higher than any creation of Allah (SWT) . One of the bases of Ismah that have been mentioned by the traditions is that due to their immense knowledge, they were Masoom. In one of the Hadith, an example of a coal is given whereby the Imam (as) asks his companion whether he would eat coal if he knew what its effects are and the companion relied in the negative. So, the Imam (as) explained that just like a person would not eat coal because it is harmful to them, the Ahlulbayt (peace be upon them all) would also not do sins because of their knowledge and, therefore, their recognition of what the side effects of sin are. (I was just narrating by my memory so I may have made mistakes but I tried to give the theme) So, the question arises: did they have enough knowledge to be Masoom right from birth. The answer, from what I know, is yes. Then, the question again rises that when they had already got the knowledge from God right from birth, then they did not have to work hard to achieve the status themselves and, consequently, were just like angels with an "imperfect" Ismah. I have the same query regarding the Ismah of Prophets (peace be upon them all). Just as a side note, I do believe in the Ismah of Ahlulbayt (peace be upon them all) and Prophets (peace be upon them all) so I am, in no way, trying to say that they are not Masoom but, rather, this is just a question that came into my mind. May Allah (SWT) bless us all, our families and loved ones, guide us all to The Straight Path with His Perfect Guidance and may He, The Forgiver of Sins and The Oft-Forgiving, forgive all our sins for, verily, there is neither any refuge nor any respite for the sinners except in Allah (SWT) .