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(salam) This thread is only a friendly invitation to Farid. Generally, the Salafiyyah (and the Ahl al-Sunnah generally) rush to claim that they too love the Ahl al-Bayt (as). Farid, naturally, makes a similar claim. In fact, in recent days, I have seen him adding (as) after the names of the Ahl al-Bayt (as) to the exclusion of the other Sahābah. Though I find this very strange, coming from a Salafī, I deem it a very positive sign (not that I expect him to ever leave his religion). My concern, however, is that Farid still loves and follows the Nawāsib who hated, cursed and fought the Ahl al-Bayt (as). This is where the main problem lies. These Nāsibī Sahābah were hypocrites. In Islām, loving hypocrites is harām, and a horrible bid’ah, as Allāh has CURSED them: æóÚóÏó Çááøóåõ ÇáúãõäóÇÝöÞöíäó æóÇáúãõäóÇÝöÞóÇÊö æóÇáúßõÝøóÇÑó äóÇÑó Ìóåóäøóãó ÎóÇáöÏöíäó ÝöíåóÇ åöíó ÍóÓúÈõåõãú æóáóÚóäóåõãõ Çááøóåõ æóáóåõãú ÚóÐóÇÈñ ãõÞöíãñ Allāh has promised the hypocrites, men and women, and the disbelievers, the Fire of Hell, therein shall they abide forever. It will suffice them. Allāh has CURSED them and for them is the lasting torment. Qur’ān 9:68 Now, to make myself clearer, let me quote these words of Shaykh Ibn Taymiyyah: ÇáÑÇÈÚ Ãä Çááå ÞÏ ÇÎÈÑ Çäå ÓíÌÚá ááÐíä ÂãäæÇ æÚãáæÇ ÇáÕÇáÍÇÊ æÏÇ æåÐÇ æÚÏ ãäå ÕÇÏÞ æãÚáæã Ãä Çááå ÞÏ ÌÚá ááÕÍÇÈÉ ãæÏÉ Ýí ÞáÈ ßá ãÓáã áÇ ÓíãÇ ÇáÎáÝÇÁ ÑÖí Çááå Úäåã áóÇ ÓöíøóãóÇ ÃóÈõæ ÈóßúÑò æóÚõãóÑõº ÝóÅöäøó ÚóÇãøóÉó ÇáÕøóÍóÇÈóÉö æóÇáÊøóÇÈöÚöíäó ßóÇäõæÇ íóæóÏøõæäóåõãóÇ¡ æóßóÇäõæÇ ÎóíúÑó ÇáúÞõÑõæäö. æóáóãú íóßõäú ßóÐóáößó Úóáöíøñ¡ ÝóÅöäøó ßóËöíÑðÇ ãöäó ÇáÕøóÍóÇÈóÉö æóÇáÊøóÇÈöÚöíäó ßóÇäõæÇ íõÈúÛöÖõæäóåõ æóíóÓõÈøõæäóåõ æóíõÞóÇÊöáõæäóåõ. The fourth issue is that Allāh had informed him (the Prophet) that He would create love for those who believe and do righteous deeds. This promise from Him was true, and it is well-known that Allāh has created love for the Sahābah in the heart of every Muslim, especially the Khalīfahs, may Allāh be pleased with them, especially Abū Bakr and ‘Umar. This is because the generality of the Sahābah and Tābi’īn loved both of them (i.e. Abū Bakr and ‘Umar), and these were the best of generations. This was not the case for ‘Alī. This is because the MAJORITY of the Sahābah and Tābi’īn HATED, CURSED and FOUGHT him. Abū al-‘Abbās Ahmad b. ‘Abd al-Halīm b. Taymiyyah al-Harrānī, Minhāj al-Sunnah al-Nabawiyyah (Muasassat al-Qurtbah; 1st edition, 1406 H) [annotator: Dr. Muhammad Rashād Sālim], vol. 7, p. 137-138 NOTE: The word kathīr above may mean “a lot of” or “majority of”. It has been used in the second sense at several places in the Qur’ān, like 2:109, 4:114, 5:32, 5:49, 5:64, 5:66, 5:68, 5:71, 5:80, 7:179, 9:34, 10:92, 14:36, 38:24, 57:16, 57:26, and 57:27. It is equally apparent that Shaykh Ibn Taymiyyah intends this second meaning in his words. If it does not mean “majority of”, then his purpose fails. He seeks to prove that the “believers” did not love Imām ‘Alī (as). If it was only the minority of them, and the majority loved him, then he has no point! Therefore, the only way his words could have meaning is when the majority of the Salaf (i.e. Sahābah and Tābi’īn) hated him, as he has argued. Nāsibism is apparent from these words of Shaykh Ibn Taymiyyah: 1. Allāh promised to create love for those who believe and do righteous deeds in the hearts of the Muslims. 2. Allāh has created love for the Sahābah in the heart of every Muslim, thus proving that they were righteous believers. 3. The Sahābah and Tābi’īn are the best of Muslims and they loved Abū Bakr and ‘Umar. This proves that Abū Bakr and ‘Umar were absolutely righteous believers. 4. However, these same Sahābah and Tābi’īn, the majority of them, hated, cursed and fought ‘Alī (as). In other words, Allāh did not create love for ‘Alī (as) in their hearts, meaning that he was not a believer or did not do good deeds! Particular attention should be paid to these points: 1. Allāh promised to create love in the hearts of the Muslims for those who believe and do righteous deeds. 2. The promise of Allāh is true. 3. But, He did not create love for ‘Alī (as) in the hearts of the bests of Muslims. 4. Therefore, ‘Alī (as) could not have been one of those who believed and did righteous deeds because Allāh always fulfills His Promises. 5. If ‘Alī (as) had been one of those who believed and did righteous deeds, then the Promise of Allāh would be false – an absolute impossibility. This is the outline of the ideology of Shaykh Ibn Taymiyyah! Farid, if this does not make him a Nāsibī, then nothing does! And, please tell: do you agree with this reasoning of Shaykh Ibn Taymiyyah? Now, here comes the question: what is your view of those Sahābah and Tābi’īn who hated, cursed and fought Imām ‘Alī (as)? The Messenger of Allāh (pbuh) called them all hypocrites. Imām Muslim records: قال علي : والذي فلق الحبة وبرأ النسمة إنه لعهد النبي الأمي صلى الله عليه وسلم إلى أن لا يحبني إلا مؤمن ولا يبغضني إلا منافق Narrated ‘Alī: By Him Who split up the seed and created something living, verily the al-Ummī Prophet (i.e. Muhammad), peace be upon him, gave me a covenant that NONE loves me except a believer and NONE hates me except a hypocrite. Abū al-Husayn Muslim b. al-Hajjāj al-Naysābūrī al- al-Qushayrī, Sahīh (Beirut: Dār Ihyā al-Turāth al-‘Arabī) [annotator: Muhammad Fuād ‘Abd al-Bāqī], vol. 1, p. 86, # 78 Do you agree that all those Nāsibī Sahābah and Tābi’īn were hypocrites? Do you agree with the Messenger of Allāh (pbuh)? Or, do you reject his words? Moreover, Shaykh al-Albānī records that the Prophet said: من أحب عليا فقد احبني ومن أحبني فقد أحب الله عز وجل ومن أبغض عليا فقد أبغضني ومن أبغضني فقد أبغض الله عز وجل. (صحيح) Whosoever loves ‘Alī verily loves me, and whosoever loves me verily loves Allāh the Almighty. WHOSOEVER hates ‘Alī verily hates me, and WHOSOEVER hates me verily hates Allāh the Almighty. (Sahīh) Muhammad Nāsir al-Dīn al-Albānī, al-Silsilah al-Ahādīth al-Sahīhah (Riyadh: Maktabah al-Ma’ārif), vol. 3, p. 288, # 1299 Farid, do you agree that those Nāsibī Sahābah hated Allāh and His Messenger ? If you do, this will testify in favour of your love of the Ahl al-Bayt . If you do not? Well, the implications are obvious. So, I invite you, Farid, and as I said, this is only a friendly invitation: I invite you to state your opinion, in this thread, about those Nāsibī Sahābah and Tābi’īn. Thank you.
(salam) I will only quote the words of Shaykh Ibn Taymiyyah, and leave the comments to you guys. He states in his Minhaaj al-Sunnah, vol. 4, pp. 243-244:: ونحن نعلم أن ما يحكى عن فاطمة وغيرها من الصحابة من القوادح كثير؛ منها كذب، وبعضها كانوا فيه متأوّلين. وإذا كان بعضها ذنباً فليس القوم معصومين، بل هم مع كونهم أولياء الله ومن أهل الجنة، لهم ذنوب يغفرها الله لهم And we know that what is narrated about the evil deeds of Faatimah, and others apart from her from the Sahaabah, , INCLUDING TELLING LIES, are several; and in some of these evil deeds they (Faatimah and the other Sahaabah) were only doing taaweel. Of course, some of these evil deeds were sins. However, they were not infallible. Rather, although they were friends of Allaah and from the people of Jannah, they committed sins that Allaah forgave for them. Salafees call him "Shaykh al-Islaam" nonetheless. I wonder what they would have said if a Shee'ah had said the same thing about 'Aaishah and some other Sahaabah??
(salam) Farid recently made a failed, veiled attempt to discredit Shaykh al-Sadooq (ra). But, due to the vigilance of our brothers, he crashed woefully. I did mention in that thread that a brother refuted him about a year ago on the honesty of al-Bukhaaree. Rather than address that, Farid turned to Shaykh al-Sadooq (ra), armed only with speculations! When I mentioned that brother's long-standing refutation of him, he rushed to the HCY Naasibi forum to add a "refutation". This is what he wrote: You see, Farid, you are completely missing the point here. The argument of that brother is that al-Bukhaaree took that hadeeth from al-Humaydee. Whether other hadeeth collectors also omitted the name or not is IRRELEVANT to this case. The crux of the argument here is whether al-Bukhaaree faithfully transmitted what al-Humaydee narrated to him or not! As you personally can see, all the narrators you have mentioned are NOT from al-Humaydee. They are from Sufyaan. BUT, this is NOT about Sufyaan. It is about al-Humaydee. Did al-Bukhaaree faithfully transmit from him or not? This is the hadeeth from Saheeh al-Bukhaaree (I am copying from that brother's refutation): 2110 حدثنا الحميدي حدثنا سفيان حدثنا عمرو بن دينار قال أخبرني طاوس أنه سمع ابن عباس رضي الله عنهما يقول بلغ عمر بن الخطاب أن فلانا باع خمرا فقال قاتل الله فلانا ألم يعلم أن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم قال قاتل الله اليهود حرمت عليهم الشحوم فجملوها فباعوها The red part means "al-Humaydee narrated to us". Fine! So, al-Bukhaaree got the hadeeth from al-Humaydee. But, this same al-Humaydee has a book called Musnad al-Humaydee where his narrations are documented. Therefore, it is possible for us to verify what exactly he narrated to al-Bukhaaree. In Musnad al-Humaydee, this is how the hadeeth is recorded: 13 – حدثنا الحميدي ثنا سفيان ثنا عمرو بن دينار قال أخبرني طاوس سمع بن عباس يقول بلغ عمر بن الخطاب أن سمرة باع خمرا فقال قاتل الله سمرة ألم يعلم أن رسول الله صلى الله عليه و سلم قال : لعن الله اليهود حرمت عليهم الشحوم فجملوها فباعوها In other words, when al-Humaydee narrated the hadeeth, he mentioned Samrah. BUT, when al-Bukhaaree transmitted the same hadeeth with the same chain FROM HIM, he doctored it. That is the un-refuted argument of our brother. And please do not rush to HCY again for a pseudo-refutation. Address this point DIRECTLY, here.
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