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Read the Reddit comments to understand what the thread was about, since the post has since been deleted. ....................................................................................... I'm so tired of the utterly nonsensical and VERY COMMON Sunni notion of 'I am happy to seek unity with Shias as long as they don't curse/insult/abuse any Sahaba, and especially NOT Aisha, Abu Bakr, Omar, Uthman. Firstly, any Shia claim regarding the sahabi that happens to go against the Sunni narrative is considered insulting. Secondly, and more importantly, is that the same notion is true for Shias... You are insulting the Ahlul Bayt by not accepting them as divinely appointed leaders of Allah, and infallible individuals, and perfect preservers of the religion of Islam, and a high means of seeking closeness to Allah (intercession). Not only are you insulting revered Shia figures by not following them, you are commiting MAJOR shirk by giving a false attribute to Allah, by saying that Allah has not always appointed an infallible leader on this Earth, and that there currently isn't an infallible leader. Furthermore, the real kicker is that plenty of revered Shia figures, such as Abu Talib (رضي الله عنه), are considered kuffar by Sunnis. Is this not insulting? So, how can we Shias unite with Sunnis based on their own fallacious logic? Shias are the minority, and Sunnis are the majority. It makes Sunnis think that they are Orthodox and that they have to unite with Heterodox for political and humanitarian reasons, and that Shias must make [ridiculous] compromises. Shias are far more receptive to the unity message, because we actually understand Sunni Islam, and can see the commonalities. We understand that we can't make Sunnis compromise on their beliefs. Simply by being the minority within Islam, by nature we Shias already understand Sunni beliefs, whereas Sunnis have a basic strawman understanding of Shia beliefs... which is natural, considering that they are the majority. Anyways, the point of my post is the following: Let's compile a list of revered Shia figures that are not given their proper status by Sunnis, according to Shia Islam... with an explanation given. ...This is to show that we Shias and Sunnis can unite, but we cannot unite upon revered figures and imamah. ...This will also serve as a way of showing Sunnis that this argument of theirs makes no sense. Another important question we may ask is "What about commonly revered figures like Imam Ali (عليه السلام) who is given different status in both sects? Can we unite upon Imam Ali (عليه السلام)?" ...a common Sunni criticism of political unity is that "Ali ibn Abi Talib (رضي الله عنه) is given an improper status in Shia religion because they call upon him... tawassul (intercession) of the 'dead' is Shirk! So there is absolutely no room for unity since we can't even agree on the status of the sahabi" [yes, I am aware that the Imams (عليه السلام) are still alive, but Sunnis don't believe this...] I would love to hear your thoughts. Wassalam. JazakAllah Khair. Fi sabilillah. -
(bismillah) Asalaam-a-laikum to all my Muslims brothers and sisters. I was raised in a Shia household, and after years of deviating from the path and losing COMPLETE faith, Allah (swt) brought me back to the straight path, Islam. I am learning to be humble, modest, and leaving all preconceived notions I had of Islam, Muslims, Shias, Sunnis, Wahabis, Salafis, and am trying to learn Islam from the core (Quran). In reading the Quran, I found something startling: 3:103, 105 "And hold fast, all of you together, to the Rope of Allâh, and be not divided among yourselves, and remember Allâh's Favour on you, for you were enemies one to another but He joined your hearts together, so that, by His Grace, you became brethren, and you were on the brink of a pit of Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus Allâh makes His Ayât clear to you, that you may be guided. ...And be not as those who divided and differed among themselves after the clear proofs had come to them. It is they for whom there is an awful torment" 6:159 "Indeed, those who have divided their religion and become sects - you, [O Muhammad], are not [associated] with them in anything. Their affair is only to Allah ; then He will inform them about what they used to do" 30:32 "[or] among those who have broken the unity of their faith and have become sects, each group delighting in but what they themselves hold [by way of tenets]" I apologize for the lengthy quotes, but everything I say here I want to back up with Wahi (Revelation) & Aql (Intellect). Islams core message is to submit our will to the will of AllahÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì, the Lord of all the worlds, without his permission nothing can happen, through his mercy we received the last revelation. The message of Tawhid was sent down many times, I believe more then a hundred thousand messengers came down, the second last was Isa (as), the last was Muhammad (saw), and it's a miracle and mercy of Allah(swt) that the Quran has been preserved. So my question is, the differences we have as Shia/Sunni, are not in the practice of worshiping AllahÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì, they are only in our ideologies to some degree. Is that true? If our practice of worshipping Allah(swt) is the same, is it important to belong to one sect or the other? For example, let's say I clear my head and erase it clean. I pick up the Holy Quran, and read it in translation from word to word. I take the Shahadah, have to pray Salaah 5 times a day (I go to a local masjid for that), fast in Ramadan, pay Zakat, give Sadqah, go to Hajj if possible, try to live as much like the Prophet (saw) as possible. Try to grow out my beard like the Prophet(saw) did, be humble, try to be righteous, send blessing upon the Prophet(saw) and his family. Try to follow everything in the quran, and try to accomplish the purpose of my life, which is Worshipping god. Will I be considered a good Muslims? Now does it even matter to delve in any of the details? Do I have to make the purpose of my life more complicated? Do I have to side with anyone? If I praise any of the companions that shouldn't be praised will I get punished for that? If I curse any of the companions that shouldn't be cursed will I get punished for that? If I go to majlis and cry at the atrocities faced by the family of the prophet(saw) is that really bidah? and If I don't go to majlis and spend all my time worshiping god during Muharram just like any other month of the year is that disrespect? If the whole purpose of my life is living like the Prophet(saw) shouldn't I be more worried about the fitnah of this world and being righteous or should my focus be more on who is right historically? Will we be judged by our actions in submitting our will to Allah(swt) and worshipping Allah(swt) or does being a Sunni/Shia give us an edge over each other? How important is it to be Shia/Sunni, can one just be a Muslim: one who worships Allah(swt) alone and believes in the last Messenger (saw)? Or do we have to chose a side. If anything I say is wrong or mistaken than it is me, everything truthful is from AllahÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì (salam)
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