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Guest posted a topic in Jurisprudence/LawsAssalamalaikum, I am a South Asian "Syed" male(I put Syed in quotes because I am not sure of whether or not I am truly a Syed, many say real Syeds will have family trees or shajrah but they can also be easily faked). Is it actually forbidden for Sayyids to marry non Sayyids? Is there any hadith? My parents say that apparently on the day of judgement Bibi Fatima(sa) will questions Sayyids who marry non Sayyids and get some form of adhab. I will respect my parents wishes and marry a fellow Syed; however, I strongly disagree with them on this reasoning and I want to correct them on this matter. Are there any actual hadith that actually explicitly prohibit Sayyids from marrying non Sayyids? I imagine this hadith would refer more to Shias marrying Muslims of other sects and non Muslims. Also anything scholars have to say about Sayyid-non Sayyid marriage(forbidding or allowing)? I do not think there is anything wrong with Sayyids marrying Sayyids or non Sayyids, however, I disagree with the reasoning that Bibi Fatima(sa) will be disappointed with Sayyids who do marry non Sayyids. Also this hadith, Sort of off topic but is there an actual way to determine whether or not you are a Sayyid? I remember seeing a Hashemite gene testing thing where it checks if you have the Hashemite gene, you are really a Sayyid. I also imagine that a real Sayyid South Asian should have some Arabian if they did a DNA test.
As an outsider looking in, I am putting this thread up for some insight. Abrahamic tradition does not hold one to be responsible for others’ deeds. Islam is no exception: one is not held responsible for the sins of one’s ancestors, but only one’s own. However, it is also acknowledged that the cumulative actions of one’s forebears can lead to certain inborn tendencies, as shown in the dynamics of alcoholism among certain demographics. Of course, there is a dispute as to the degree to which one’s actions can affect one’s genome, and the role of woo in distorting matters has not aided understanding. Still, if one is born into a family with a “generational curse”—be it diabetes or addictions—even if one is not responsible for one’s ancestors’ behaviour, one can still feel stigmatised relative to people who did not belong to a lineage with the said “curse.” One can, perhaps, better oneself, but remain at a disadvantage, in absolute terms, relative to others who were not born into one’s lineage and its attendant problems. In other words, one’s best would still be less than the worst (or best) of the others. Has anyone grappled with this dilemma and its attendant, complicated emotions?
There was a post that caught my eye, and as I went on to read posts, another one talked continuously about how horrendously the Qur'an wants Muslims to treat non Muslims, especially Hindus (polythiests) so I replied with the same chapter of the Qur'an to clear any misconceptions for others reading. Then the Hindu (priest from the information) went on to ask about further detail about the attrocities of Islam on its followers (since I also expanded my answer to showing how merciful Allah is) https://www.quora.com/Can-I-read-the-Holy-Qur'an-as-a-Hindu-without-any-intentions-of-converting/answer/Rami-Sivan?ch=10&share=d8fd28af&srid=j4EH0j4EH0 Well, he's not exactly a friend, but imagine he is. He's been answering very calmly and friendly, and I would like to answer the same way, so please don't show any hostility in the replies below. The only reply below this post is of mine, so the one he has replied to in return is me as well. I haven't yet revealed to him that I am a Shia, and so triple talaq is out of the question, however for the rest I don't feel that as a teenager I am well reversed enough to reply. Can someone please educate me more, with references to The Qur'an and Sunnah (maybe Nahjul Balagha as well) so that I can answer these questions truthfully and clear the misconceptions. Thank you!
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