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Read the Reddit comments to understand what the thread was about, since the post has since been deleted. ....................................................................................... I'm so tired of the utterly nonsensical and VERY COMMON Sunni notion of 'I am happy to seek unity with Shias as long as they don't curse/insult/abuse any Sahaba, and especially NOT Aisha, Abu Bakr, Omar, Uthman. Firstly, any Shia claim regarding the sahabi that happens to go against the Sunni narrative is considered insulting. Secondly, and more importantly, is that the same notion is true for Shias... You are insulting the Ahlul Bayt by not accepting them as divinely appointed leaders of Allah, and infallible individuals, and perfect preservers of the religion of Islam, and a high means of seeking closeness to Allah (intercession). Not only are you insulting revered Shia figures by not following them, you are commiting MAJOR shirk by giving a false attribute to Allah, by saying that Allah has not always appointed an infallible leader on this Earth, and that there currently isn't an infallible leader. Furthermore, the real kicker is that plenty of revered Shia figures, such as Abu Talib (رضي الله عنه), are considered kuffar by Sunnis. Is this not insulting? So, how can we Shias unite with Sunnis based on their own fallacious logic? Shias are the minority, and Sunnis are the majority. It makes Sunnis think that they are Orthodox and that they have to unite with Heterodox for political and humanitarian reasons, and that Shias must make [ridiculous] compromises. Shias are far more receptive to the unity message, because we actually understand Sunni Islam, and can see the commonalities. We understand that we can't make Sunnis compromise on their beliefs. Simply by being the minority within Islam, by nature we Shias already understand Sunni beliefs, whereas Sunnis have a basic strawman understanding of Shia beliefs... which is natural, considering that they are the majority. Anyways, the point of my post is the following: Let's compile a list of revered Shia figures that are not given their proper status by Sunnis, according to Shia Islam... with an explanation given. ...This is to show that we Shias and Sunnis can unite, but we cannot unite upon revered figures and imamah. ...This will also serve as a way of showing Sunnis that this argument of theirs makes no sense. Another important question we may ask is "What about commonly revered figures like Imam Ali (عليه السلام) who is given different status in both sects? Can we unite upon Imam Ali (عليه السلام)?" ...a common Sunni criticism of political unity is that "Ali ibn Abi Talib (رضي الله عنه) is given an improper status in Shia religion because they call upon him... tawassul (intercession) of the 'dead' is Shirk! So there is absolutely no room for unity since we can't even agree on the status of the sahabi" [yes, I am aware that the Imams (عليه السلام) are still alive, but Sunnis don't believe this...] I would love to hear your thoughts. Wassalam. JazakAllah Khair. Fi sabilillah.
I am a layman, an average person with average or below average knowledge/intellect. But certain things are very clear to us lay/average people. One of them is this Slogan of 'Only Allah". I do not know which "The God" they are referring to when they say/demand 'Only God" in Command in the past, and "worship" today. https://www.al-islam.org/nahjul-balagha-part-1-sermons/sermon-184-keep-silent-may-Allah-disgrace-you ***** Today- its related to this phantom concept of their "version/definition" of the concept "Worship". This Slogan which on the surface looks True was/is Utilized by the ones looking to gain power/worldly gains. Causing many issues among the Muslims and is used as a rally point to plunder the wealth/property/land/places of worships/women & children and lives. What is the reality of this call “ Only Allah” 1)Who is this God that call on? 2)How did this God communicate with them, Was it a direct communication? 3)How did this Group come to know of this God? 4)How do they understand what this God wants from them? 5)How do they prove what they understand is this God’s command to others? 6)How many Gods are there, every group/Individual in every age has a different interpretations of this God's commands? 7) Did the some Arabs, especially at or after the conquest of Mecca- who worshiped many gods, said let verbally accept one god, for political reasons, but we will undermine this man. 8) Why did Qur'an keeps reminding the Believers to Obey the Messenger of Allah(awj)? 9) Why they did not acknowledge the Authority of the Messenger of Allah(awj)? 10) How was this notion, used by internal and external enemy in the past and today to undermine Islam? ***** https://www.al-islam.org/nahjul-balagha-part-1-sermons/sermon-7-they-have-made-satan-master-their-affairs ***** These three Topic Shirk/Quranist/Psychological Warfare are important in this discussion. http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235034818-a-dialogue-on-your-understanding-of-shirk/ http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235037162-the-quranist-movement/ http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235035658-psychological-warfare-on-the-internet/
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