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Read the Reddit comments to understand what the thread was about, since the post has since been deleted. ....................................................................................... I'm so tired of the utterly nonsensical and VERY COMMON Sunni notion of 'I am happy to seek unity with Shias as long as they don't curse/insult/abuse any Sahaba, and especially NOT Aisha, Abu Bakr, Omar, Uthman. Firstly, any Shia claim regarding the sahabi that happens to go against the Sunni narrative is considered insulting. Secondly, and more importantly, is that the same notion is true for Shias... You are insulting the Ahlul Bayt by not accepting them as divinely appointed leaders of Allah, and infallible individuals, and perfect preservers of the religion of Islam, and a high means of seeking closeness to Allah (intercession). Not only are you insulting revered Shia figures by not following them, you are commiting MAJOR shirk by giving a false attribute to Allah, by saying that Allah has not always appointed an infallible leader on this Earth, and that there currently isn't an infallible leader. Furthermore, the real kicker is that plenty of revered Shia figures, such as Abu Talib (رضي الله عنه), are considered kuffar by Sunnis. Is this not insulting? So, how can we Shias unite with Sunnis based on their own fallacious logic? Shias are the minority, and Sunnis are the majority. It makes Sunnis think that they are Orthodox and that they have to unite with Heterodox for political and humanitarian reasons, and that Shias must make [ridiculous] compromises. Shias are far more receptive to the unity message, because we actually understand Sunni Islam, and can see the commonalities. We understand that we can't make Sunnis compromise on their beliefs. Simply by being the minority within Islam, by nature we Shias already understand Sunni beliefs, whereas Sunnis have a basic strawman understanding of Shia beliefs... which is natural, considering that they are the majority. Anyways, the point of my post is the following: Let's compile a list of revered Shia figures that are not given their proper status by Sunnis, according to Shia Islam... with an explanation given. ...This is to show that we Shias and Sunnis can unite, but we cannot unite upon revered figures and imamah. ...This will also serve as a way of showing Sunnis that this argument of theirs makes no sense. Another important question we may ask is "What about commonly revered figures like Imam Ali (عليه السلام) who is given different status in both sects? Can we unite upon Imam Ali (عليه السلام)?" ...a common Sunni criticism of political unity is that "Ali ibn Abi Talib (رضي الله عنه) is given an improper status in Shia religion because they call upon him... tawassul (intercession) of the 'dead' is Shirk! So there is absolutely no room for unity since we can't even agree on the status of the sahabi" [yes, I am aware that the Imams (عليه السلام) are still alive, but Sunnis don't believe this...] I would love to hear your thoughts. Wassalam. JazakAllah Khair. Fi sabilillah.

Yasir Habib, whom majority of twelvers do not like and acknowledge, is no different than Allama Baqir Majlisi of past. Below are some proofs out of hundred available from books of Baqir Majlisi, which are no different than what Yasir Habib say in his lectures and in public gatherings. It has been narrated in Taqrib al Muarif from the freed slave of Ali bin Hussain (i.e Imam Zain ul Abideen) that he asked the Imam, I have the right over you, inform me about Abu Bakr and Umar. Imam said : Both of them are unbelievers, and whoever loves them is also unbeliever [meaning all sunnis]. Haqqul Yaqin, p. 522 Ayyashi has narrated from Imam Jafar through a reliable sanad that he said : May Allah’s curse be upon Aisha and Hafzah and their fathers … They killed the Messenger of Allah with poison. Hayat ul Quloob Vol. 2, p. 700 Whoever believes that Uthman was killed innocently, his sins on the day of judgement will be more than those who worshipped the calf. Hayat ul Quloob, Vol. 1, p. 20 Whatever Abu Bakr did was against the verses of Quran, whoever acts against Quran is kafir, fasiq oppressor. Hayat ul Quloob, Vol. 1, p. 157 The clear proof of the disbelief of Uthman is that Ali considered his killing mubah, and didn’t consider anything wrong in it. Haqqul Yaqin, p. 270 ‘We believe that we should seek disassociation from four idols namely, Abu Bakr, Omar, Uthman and Mu’awiyah; from four women namely, Ayesha, Hafsa, Hind and Ummul Hakam, along with all their associates and followers. ‘These are the worst creation of Allah. It is not possible to believe in Allah, His Messenger and the Imams without disassociating oneself from their enemies. Haqqul Yaqeen: 2:519 ‘One should say after each prayer: O Allah! Curse Abu Bakr, Omar, Uthman, Mu’awiyah, Ayesha, Hafsa, Hind and Ummul Hakam. Aynul Hayat: 599 Baqir Majlisi's books Haqqul Yaqin, Ain ul Hayat, Jilal al Uyun, bihar ul anwar are full of such narrations (which are declared authentic by him) and his personal opinions like above.

Asalamalekum, I know that swearing and using profanity is haraam in our deen, hence i avoid it all the time. But i want to know that, if someone for no reason starts abusing, swearing at you and your family. In that case does Islam permits using abusing language to reply firmly to that person. If you use swear and abusive language in reply would that be (haraam, makruh, permissible). I am very calm and humble person, but sometimes people cross line and try to intimidate you. I know we should not indulge in unnecessary conflicts. But when someone starts to swear and abuse you verbally, does islam gives the permission to use profanity in that case. Because, i don't think any man would like take abusive language and not reply back. Please if someone can quote a fatwa from a cleric. I follow Ayatollah Sistani. Thank you!