Search the Community

Salam alaikum At the moment we've heard about the news of USA overturning Roe Wade and has brought the discussion in abortion once again in the Muslim community. Ofc me being a Shia Muslim I took asked my family, Marja and even Reddit for the rulings. My Marja being Sistani, he ofc said that abortion isn't allowed except if the woman's pregnancy becomes dangerous. Meaning that even for cases such as rape, incest and deformities it's not allowed to get an abortion before 120 days. I asked it once again on Reddit and the responses seemed to agree with Sistani easily and instead argued that the 'child' isn't in fault for the woman being raped etc. Needless to say I was disturbed that these people on Reddit and even marja's like Sistani didn't seem to understand why rape victims out of everyone should get the right to abort the fetus. This whole topic made me therefore rethink about my beliefs and how much my own morals go against Islam and how much I began to dislike marja's like Sistani (despite the fact I find him the most knowledgeable) who don't seem to get mental health and how people like me who dread the thought of pregnancy let alone carrying a fetus that is deformed or a product of rape. I've read that it's mostly Sunni's that allow such abortions to take place before 120 days, but me being born a Shia these rulings unfortunately don't apply to me. Mind you I have autism and some things for me require a lot of mental strength and energy to do something. Not to mention that I see social constructs differently then most people (especially me being in a Iraqi/Iranians household). Plus the fact that Sistani states that life begins at conception, meaning the fertilized ovium. I just can't comprehend all of that, cause all I imagine is a clump of cells instead of a person?? And I feel like I'd be sinning if I wanted to get an abortion to abort a deformed a rape baby even though I know very well I'll probably develop suicidal thoughts cause I wouldn't be able to handle such baby. I would honestly see this more as a burden than a blessing. In a nutcase, I have a lot of doubts about abortion in our religion and the scholars don't convince me after trying hard to understand these rulings without thinking to myself if they actually take women like me and their feelings and mental health into consideration. I didn't really have a question but I didn't know where else I could say this safely other than Reddit. I feel like I'm going against my religion but I simultaneously know what is best for me if I were to be in this situation. Not to mention that I feel morally more towards being pro-choice than pro-life. Instead I'll just ask these questions in order to give my rant some sort of educational purpose for myself and others like me: 1. Would it be permissible for a person like me to get an abortion for a deformed or rape baby if it caused me immense difficulty mentally? 2. Am I going against Islam if I were to not agree with my Marja because of doubt or feeling uncomfortable with the fatwa? 3. How does kaffare work if a non muslim doctor were to help me abort a fetus? Who should pay the kaffare? 4. People state that women instead of aborting their babies give their babies up for adoption or put into foster care. But I live in the Netherlands and there arent many Shia people here, then what? And wouldn't it be a burden to sacrifice my body and metal health to carry a baby I wouldn't want and just give it away and just feel more guilty about it afterwards? 6. I'll also post a link of pictures to ask the following question: how much of this is does it also apply in our beliefs?

Bismillah i Rahman i Raheem Assalaam o 'Alaikum Wa Rahmatullah i Wa Barakaatuh !!!CONTROVERSY WARNING!!! I recall reading somewhere, I think in this very forum actually, a post that mentioned eschatological details according to Islam. There was a description of the Sufyani also mentioned, and one of the signs was that he'll rip children out of the bellies of women. I was thinking about this a few days ago, and coincidentally came across a tweet that mentioned something about the US elections and abortions. I began thinking that maybe this sign of ripping children out of the bellies of woman is referencing abortions? To be clear, I'm not trying to say that the Sufyani will rise in the US, I only mentioned the US to give context about how I came to this thought of connecting these two. I want to know what are the thoughts of everyone else on this. I'm not asking for your views on abortion, late-term/early-term or any other details, I'm only asking about your thoughts on this connection that came to my mind recently. JazakAllah Wa 'Alaikum Assalaam Wa Rahmatullah i Wa Barakaatuh

My question is Islamically at what point does the soul enter the fetus in a Mother's womb? My reason for asking is in regards to an Abortion. I am well aware of the Islamic ruling on the when an Abortion is permissible and at what point it is not. Also, I am not interested in starting a debate about the morality of an Abortion. I have a opinion on Abortion, as I'm sure many of you do as well, nor am I interested in engaging in a debate about women's rights. I am fully aware of those as well. https://www.al-Islam.org/Islamic-edicts-on-family-planning/abortions Please see my question as to when exactly the soul enters the body of the unborn child? Thanks in advance for any info that is provided !!!

Is it allowed to have an abortion if the father would leave me if I kept the baby? I'm 6 weeks pregnant and I dont have a job or an education.

Assalam o Alikum. Since i havn't discussed any type of issue on such forums. I need advice on an issue. Several days ago i found that the girl serving at my Brother in law's house has got pregnant. I was astonished. I asked my Mother in Law to ask her if she was in Nikkah with the man we heard she was married to but the Girl denied that she hadn't any kind of relationship with any one and the rumours were incorrect and she doesn't know how it happened. I asked my MIL(mother in law) to investigate further but she remained quiet and i dunno what happened after somedays i came to know that the girl has got abortion. I felt digusted bcz i may not be the pious one but this act is codemnable. Please let me know if i should protest as she comes to my home and on command of my mother in law she even cooks food in my home.. I dont want to be the part of this practice. And i dont want to open the matter also since it would bring bad name to the girl. What does the Islam say about this.. Plz i am in a great worry.

[MOD NOTE: WARNING - GRAPHIC PIC. VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED.] Salam Alaykom The end time is the age of idiocism(jhalat), the idiocy will become a culture once more. In the past there was an idiocy which people buried their daughters alive... now we got abortion which is the same. The short video concerns this disgusting modern idiocy.

This absolutely makes me sick to my stomach. May Allah destroy such people. Allahuakbar, how can you do this to living beings?! It is no different then the time of the jahilya where they would bury their daughters alive! It makes it very clear, what is truly going on in such organizations and those who have money and some power. I am speechless. This is what happens when you have no faith and religion... astagfirullah #PPSellsBabyParts PLANNED PARENTHOOD’S TOP DOCTOR, PRAISED BY CEO, USES PARTIAL-BIRTH ABORTIONS TO SELL BABY PARTS PPFA Senior Director of Medical Services Deborah Nucatola, Other Planned Parenthood Leadership Documented Selling Aborted Baby Parts in 3-Year Investigative Journalism Study Contact: David Daleiden, media@centerformedicalprogress.org, 949.734.0859 LOS ANGELES, July 14—New undercover footage shows Planned Parenthood Federation of America’s Senior Director of Medical Services, Dr. Deborah Nucatola, describing how Planned Parenthood sells the body parts of aborted fetuses, and admitting she uses partial-birth abortions to supply intact body parts. In the video, Nucatola is at a business lunch with actors posing as buyers from a human biologics company. As head of PPFA’s Medical Services department, Nucatola has overseen medical practice at all Planned Parenthood locations since 2009. She also trains new Planned Parenthood abortion doctors and performs abortions herself at Planned Parenthood Los Angeles up to 24 weeks. The buyers ask Nucatola, “How much of a difference can that actually make, if you know kind of what’s expected, or what we need?” “It makes a huge difference,” Nucatola replies. “I’d say a lot of people want liver. And for that reason, most providers will do this case under ultrasound guidance, so they’ll know where they’re putting their forceps. The kind of rate-limiting step of the procedure is calvarium. Calvarium—the head—is basically the biggest part.” Nucatola explains, “We’ve been very good at getting heart, lung, liver, because we know that, so I’m not gonna crush that part, I’m gonna basically crush below, I’m gonna crush above, and I’m gonna see if I can get it all intact.” “And with the calvarium, in general, some people will actually try to change the presentation so that it’s not vertex,” she continues. “So if you do it starting from the breech presentation, there’s dilation that happens as the case goes on, and often, the last step, you can evacuate an intact calvarium at the end.” Using ultrasound guidance to manipulate the fetus from vertex to breech orientation before intact extraction is the hallmark of the illegal partial-birth abortion procedure (18 U.S.C. 1531). Nucatola also reveals that Planned Parenthood’s national office is concerned about their liability for the sale of fetal parts: “At the national office, we have a Litigation and Law Department which just really doesn’t want us to be the middle people for this issue right now,” she says. “But I will tell you that behind closed doors these conversations are happening with the affiliates.” The sale or purchase of human fetal tissue is a federal felony punishable by up to 10 years in prison and a fine of up to $500,000 (42 U.S.C. 289g-2). A separate clip shows Planned Parenthood President and CEO Cecile Richards praising Nucatola’s work to facilitate connections for fetal tissue collection. “Oh good,” Richards says when told about Nucatola’s support for fetal tissue collection at Planned Parenthood, “Great. She’s amazing.” The video is the first by The Center for Medical Progress in its “Human Capital” series, a nearly 3-year-long investigative journalism study of Planned Parenthood’s illegal trafficking of aborted fetal parts. Project Lead David Daleiden notes: “Planned Parenthood’s criminal conspiracy to make money off of aborted baby parts reaches to the very highest levels of their organization. Elected officials must listen to the public outcry for Planned Parenthood to be held accountable to the law and for our tax dollars to stop underwriting this barbaric abortion business.”

As-Salaamu-Alaikum Brothers and Sisters. I am writing to ask if anyone here knows the ruling that Agha Sistani has on abortion if a genetic test has been done and found that the child would have downs syndrome. His website is currently unavailable at this time and shows bad gateway (error 5xx). Thanks, x81kilo