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(salam) The problem with Sunnis is that they never accept the reality and always try to twist and turn the facts and reality to suit their faith. The proper approach should be acceptance of truth and mold our faith and deeds according to the reality and truth. Now see the point in an authentic hadith Prophet (pbuh) said Sahih Bukhari Narrated by 'Ikrima Ibn 'Abbas said to me and to his son 'Ali, "Go to Abu Sa'id and listen to what he narrates." So we went and found him in a garden looking after it. He picked up his Rida', wore it and sat down and started narrating till the topic of the construction of the mosque reached. He said, "We were carrying one adobe at a time while 'Ammar was carrying two. The Prophet saw him and started removing the dust from his body and said, "May Allah be Merciful to 'Ammar. He will be killed by a rebellious, aggressive group. He will be inviting them (i.e. his murderers, the rebellious group) to Paradise and they will invite him to Hell-fire." 'Ammar said, "I seek refuge with Allah from affliction." Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 8, Number 438 Instead of accepting the reality they will always try to twist the reality in their favor. Now see Sonador twisted its meanings to save corrupt and evil Muawvia (l.a) This is the same reasoning Amr bin Al-aas used against Imam Ali a.s when the army of Syria started to avoid fighting against Imam Ali a.s because of martyrdom of Ammar Yasir (r.a) by rebellious and hell bound Muawvia's army. Amr Bin Al-aas who was famous for his satanic politics, deception, lie and Muafiqat said to the people that "Factually, Imam Ali's is killer of Ammar Yasir (r.a) because he brought him r.a in the battlefield. If he a.s would not have brought him here, he would not have been killed". For the first time Imam Ali a.s came in the battlefield and gave a sermon that "O people of Syria do you think that Prophet (pbuh) is killer of Hamza (r.a) as Prophet p.b.u.h took Hamza to fight against Kufaar in Ohad? You are the killers of Ammar r.a". Can Mr. Sonodar can confirm us that he will go to heaven for sure? If no then he is a muslim how he can not claim this? Being Muslim does not save one from hell due to the bad deeds. Even Kharjiites were muslims but they are destined to hell fire. Two big groups of muslims does not necessarily mean that one of the group will never be hell bound. Actually it proves nothing. Muawvia (l.a)'s army was muslim though by name or apparently therefore, it has no point in his support.

(salam) I often hear from Sunni that though Imam Ali a.s was a good ruler but Muawvia (l.a) was a good politician therefore, he succeeded in competing Imam Ali a.s. Are Sunnis sure that Muawvia (l.a) represents "Great Sunni Politics"? I am sorry if it is so then i see no difference between Sunni politics and present day corrupt, immoral, unislamic, unethical politics. Before answering this post please confront Islamic morals to Muawvia's politics because this thread will include "golden principles of Muawvia's politics" in the later posts.

(salam) Followers of Muawvia are blind like Sonodar. it is written in “Muruj al- Zahab” that: “a Kufic person came to Damascus on his camel, while returning from Siffin (Battle of Siffin); one of men of Damascus claimed that this “Naqih” (female camel) was his and it has been taken from him in Siffin. They went to Muawiyah to solve the problem, the Damascene man called fifty men to witness that this “Naqih” is his, so, Muawiyah considered him to be rightful and ordered to Kufic man to give the camel to the Damascene man, Kufic man said to Muawiyah that: “sorry but, this camel is male, not a female one”. Muawiyah said that: “but it has been adjudicated”, and he played tricks on him. When Damascene men went, Muawiyah called Kufic man to come and asked the price of his camel and paid him double that amount, Muawiyah treated him kindly and told him that: “tell Ali (a.s.) that I has begun a war against you with one thousand hundred men who do not know the difference between male and female camel”. They were so obedient to Muawiyah that while leaving for Siffin, they said the Friday Prayer with him on Wednesday without raising any objection to his act. They sacrificed their heads for Muawiyah and held him in high esteem, and accepted saying of Amr A’s that: “Ali is the killer of Ammar ibn Yasir, because he has brought Ammar along to support him”, and were so obedient to Muawiyah that they cursed Ali as a tradition according to Muawiyah’s order, and follows it from childhood to the death”.[1] This story clearly shows the status of faith and understanding of Muawiyah’s followers.[2] [1] - Muruj al- Zahab, vol. 2, p. 72 and vol. 3, p. 42. [2] - Shafi'i Shahrudi, A comprehensive selection of Al- Ghadir, p. 983.

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