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I have an interesting question, and I don't know if there's a definite answer, but wanted to throw it out to the ShiaChat community to see what everyone else thinks. So, I grew up listening to rap and hip hop in the 80s and 90s. Not just these genres, most musical genres, but my passion was rap and hip hop. I used to listen to a lot of music. I used to write rhymes. It was a lifestyle. I live in the West and a lot of people in my community listen to music. Probably the majority. Almost every one of my friends listens to music. Even the quote on quote religious ones. I gave up music years ago and don't regret it. But I do relapse every now and again, though ever so brief. Might just be a few songs, or it might be a week before I pull myself back and straighten myself out. At one point I got myself into "halal rap." If you know, you know. It's all over YouTube. I thought this was the perfect alternative and was enjoying myself for a little while with this. Then I reached a point where I thought to myself, what's the difference between the music I used to listen to, and this halal rap? Sure, the words are more focused on religion. But many of them had instruments behind the lyrics, and I decided that there really isn't much of a difference. If I viewed music as haram, then what I was listening to was also haram. At least it was for me. I'm guessing many others out there had the same sentiments because then came along halal rap with vocals only. With this form the artist uses only their voice to mimic musical instruments. My stint with this was short lived. I soon decided that this new 'vocals only' wasn't so holy, it was a loophole and completely phony. What's the difference between instruments and voices mimicking instruments? I really don't see a difference. Especially when you have these artists doing covers of haram songs with voices only and changing the lyrics. What a joke. Music is truly a test. Everyone's trying to find a way to make it okay. I talk to people and all I hear is, bro drums are halal, bro vocal only is okay, bro the lyrics are about Allah azwj and Islam, bro they don't play these at parties, bro it's not for entertainment it's like Islamic poetry, bro it's all about the deen... Bro, bro, bro. Stop it already. I'm honestly sick of it. And before someone says, bro just listen to Qur'an, let me say that I do listen to Qur'an, du'a, majalis, Islamic poetry, audiobooks, etc. However there are times when I just find myself gravitating towards some form of.. something. I don't even know the words to use. At this point in my life my alternative to music is Islamic spoken word. And even then, some of the stuff out there makes me wonder. But, I digress. And with this long lead up, here is my question: What do you all think of all this halal rap out there?
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Do Akhbaris eat only halal meat and forbid music?
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Do Akhbaris belive in only eating halal meat like usulis or do they belive its permissionable to eat jew and christian meat? Is music a sin to akhbaris too?- 10 replies
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Behind the veil: The double life of Pakistan rapper Eva B (afp.com)
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Im having trouble eating halal and staying away from music! I cant find halal meat except for lamb and its expensive Stores that sell it i cant get to them and im addicted to music, what should i do?
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Is this music considered to be lahwi or ghina?
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Salamun-aliakum brothers & sisters, This is my first topic discussion so please bare with me. I basically have stopped listening to all forms of music ever since I've decided to dedicate myself more to the religion of Islam. I had attempted to find some sort of loophole to make it permissible, but no avail (maybe that's a good thing). I follow Ayotollah Sistani's ((رضي الله عنه).) fatwa on music and I'm pretty sure we all know it's basically a resounding NO to all forms of music, at least the ones I grew up with and find enjoyable. I had found something rather interesting after stumbling across Imam Khomenei's website. Q1123. What is meant by lahwī music? And how best can one recognize it? A: Lahwī and deviating music is that which due to its characteristics keeps human beings away from Allah, the sublime, and away from moral merits and drives them towards sinful acts and carelessness. Its recognition rests with the common people. So, basically long story short, I ask this out of pure curiosity and not so I can "suck the pleasures out of the dunya", trust me, I hope we can all collectively agree that this world is NOTHING but a vessel for our deeds and a ground for us to know The Creator. I am curious if in your guys' opinion, the music links I will be putting down below would fall into the category of lahwi or ghina. This music is considered "indie" with popular themes regarding: melancholy, self-betterment, happiness, sadness, etc. mainly human emotion. Many of the indie songs I used to listen to in my past wouldn't necessarily have sexual or intoxicative themes per-se, possibly in some a reference. Halcyon Age - YouTube Mac DeMarco // "Freaking Out The Neighborhood" - YouTube Tame Impala - Is It True (Official Video) - YouTube Please feel free to share any & all opinions and thoughts, while being respectful :-) -
as salaam alakim!!!!! How can one get over the addiction of music?
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Assalam o alikum everyone, As you all know that sufi music is very popular everywhere specially in Pakistan and India. Some people say it is alright to listen a Naat with music or "qawali"......but I am confused, if music is not permissible then why a naat with music....?? Some scholars say listening to music is Haram then why they encourage listening to sufi poetry with music ? Actually my friends likes sufi music, but I don't listen that type of things I am not sure about if they are right or wrong......So my fiend and I had a bit of an argument. She says that Prophet Dawood pbuh had a very beautiful voice and He used to sing...I said that Prophet didn't used any musical instrument.. She is like... music is a food for our soul, it helps us to ease our worries and when it comes to sufi music listening...its very good for us. That argument looks ridiculous but I just want to clarify for my satisfaction, that should I avoid sufi music too ? by the way I always avoid listening to music/songs. etc. God bless you All..
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Most of the scholars like Ayatollah Sayyid Ali Sistani, Ayatollah al-Khoei and many other Sunni and Shia scholars believe and claim " Music " to be a strictly unlawful act in Islam. I want to know if there is any scholar or jurist who believes and claims "Music" to be lawful. Here, I meant by the word "scholar" is a " Twelver Marja' " or a " Sunni Grand Mufti ".
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Salaam, A few of us were discussing music on chat and I happened to mentioned that "all stringed instruments are haram". A couple of brothers wanted to know the source. I found this Greater Sin: Music which mentions guitar. I cant find the source that expanded on this further and mentioned that instruments like duff and wind-based ones are permissible but stringed instruments are not. Can anyone provide reference or correct me? @Ron_Burgundy @Gaius I. Caesar @Heavenly_Silk tagging the few who were discussing this for their input.
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In Abha, southwestern Saudi, very close to Yemen, hundreds of Saudi men and women in Burqas were swaying and dancing in a music concert whilst their neighbours face the biggest humanitarian emergency in recent times. What a disgrace.
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Salam alakum, Growing up I listened to various genres of music. In my community I was surrounded by individuals/ family/ friends who were very strict and did not listen to music at all under any circumstance (they would walk out at weddings with music playing) and others who would listen to music in every circumstance. I saw it as harmless, it generally lifted my spirits, entertained me and allowed me to relax. My favourite genre was "indie" music which had no/ minimal profanity and was rarely offensive. However, over the years I stop listening to music for the duration of Ramadan and found this quite easy. Since Ramadan 2018 I have not played any music at all. At that point I decided it was better for my soul not to rely on songs and musicians to sooth me and instead I will focus on dhikr and my faith instead. Since I decided to quit listening to music I have had moments of temptation but I haven't given up even when I had really low and depressing days. Please note I have not been diagnosed with depression or any mental health illnesses but I have seasonal bouts of depression, anxiety and low moods which can be very difficult i.e. I question my life and find it hard to get through the day and continue with life. Today, I am having a low day and am really tempted to play something uplifting. Please share your thoughts and experience about using music to calm the mind and entertain etc. Feel free to share hadiths etc about the above-mentioned topics but please note that my madhab permits playing music with no profane content but I am just taking a precautionary stance: http://english.bayynat.org.lb/Editorials/Shariah_Music.htm
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These are the narrations I have found: “The Almighty Allah has sent me as a mercy to the worlds, to guide the people. And He ordered me to eradicate the playing of flute and other instruments of music, all games of vice, idol (worship) and all practices of the days of ignorance.” (Mustadrak ul-Wasa’il, Chapter 79) “A person who possesses a sitar, on the day of Qiyāma will be raised with a black face. His hands will be holding a sitar of fire. Seventy thousand angels with maces of fire will be hitting him on the face and the head. The singer will arise from his grave, blind, deaf and dumb. The adulterer will be similarly raised. The player of flute will also be made to rise in this way as will be the drum player." (Mustadrak ul-Wasa’il) I want to know who narrated from the Prophet ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم))? Even the first transmitter is fine. Thank you very much!
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Asalamualaykum, I have always (or at least in the past 5 years), refrained from music like rap, sensual songs, and just things with too much beat in them. For the past month or so, I have put haram music aside completely but ever since, I've been in this kind of paranoia and anxiety of what is haram and what is halal. I've read my marja's ruling on music over and over again this past month but I just don't seem to get it completely. My marja' is Seyed Sistani and if someone (familiar with fatwas and/or following Ayatullah Sistani) would please help clarify some questions for me I will really appreciate it and may Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) bless you inshaAllah. The following 2 links are what I am going based off of. One is all the basic rulings on music and the other contains more info from the Q&A. (please take note of what is noted as "compulsory/ obligatory precaution and what is noted as haram/forbidden) https://www.Sistani.org/english/book/46/2071/ https://www.Sistani.org/english/book/46/2072/ Meanwhile I've pretty much stopped listening to all music due to a post on shiachat with a whole long list of supposed hadiths from Imam Sadiq AS about music and they were so so strict and harsh that I've just been terrified of all types of music and I just feel very confused inside. It just doesn't make much sense that music is as great as a sin as murder, or any other of the greatest sins. I'd like to know whether these hadiths are even authentic? Is it just an exaggeration caused by translation errors? The hadiths are also found here: https://www.al-Islam.org/greater-sins-volume-1-ayatullah-Sayyid-abdul-husayn-dastghaib-shirazi/fifteenth-greater-sin-music I'm asking because some of these hadiths are not compatible with what Seyed Sistani is saying. The hadiths seem to say music, in totality, and anything close to it is completely haram and punishable,but Sistani seems to distinguish between haram and permissible music. and even says that haram music " does not mean that the music or the song’s tune amuses the heart or changes the mental state because there is nothing wrong in it. " I don't think I should doubt that my marja' has already read an is knowledgable of the hadiths of the Imams (pbu them). However, I'm still struggling with trying to understand what he means when saying " the music or the song that is suitable for entertainment and amusement gatherings". Does that mean dance party music? could someone please give examples of halal music or answer my questions below based on Seyed Sistani's rulings? To further clarify what the said phrase means: does "entertainment and amusement gatherings" mean two criteria? Number 1: entertainment and Number 2: amusement gatherings? or is "entertainment and amusement" used as a single description of that gathering? If someone knew the Farsi version maybe that would help because translations sometimes make it harder to understand. My more specfic questions are: 1. Is ney (reed flute) music halal? The ney I was told was halal before but I don't know now because of this: "The Messenger of Allãh ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم).) said, “And the person with the [sin of] singing (al-ghinã’) will be raised [on the day of resurrection] blind, deaf and dumb. The person with [the sin of] adultery, of wood-wind, and of drum will also be raised in the same way.” Is ney a woodwind instrument? It is rarely used in any type of " entertainment and amusement gatherings" but rather gatherings of religious poets and such. The ney has such a beautiful and simple sound that is just something I always listened to that made me remember and become presently conscious Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) and the purpose of our existence on Earth. Either way, In short, I just find it hard to think that it is haram. Is it? I feel like based of Sistani's description it is allowed but those hadiths supposedly from Imam Sadiq AS is what throws me off. 2. Is traditional (sonnati) persian music halal? (For example Shahram nazeri or shajarian?) Based on Seyed Sistani's description of what is and isn't ghina. Can you give me examples of other singing which would not be ghina? 3. I am a writer and I write fantasy and fiction. I have always enjoyed listening to what is called "epic music" while I write or even just for workout. Epic music is not commonly listened to by a large audience because it's basically the dramatic music used in movie backgrounds. Is that music considered as music used in " entertainment and amusement gatherings"? 4. Finally, would classical music be allowed? I know this post is quite lengthy but I believe it could help clarify things for many people inshaAllah. If I do not receive logical and descent answers here I will ask on Ayatullah Sistani's website and post the answer here inshaAllah in case it might be helpful for anyone else. May Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) guide us towards the right path and make it easy for us to obey and satisfy Him. Ameen.
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Salams to all zain Bikha is a South African artist. His music has a calming effect on your soul. His songs are lyrically very strong and always carry a message within them. enjoy n duas... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6gzyhe1w79A
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I want to learn the ukulele but im wondering ,which instruments are permissible in Islam?
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Salam Everyone, Just curious to see people's opinion about this, I have listed the responses I have usually heard from people in this regard. Your votes will not be public and will only appear as numbers. Inc.
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salam, i have been contemplating on leaving my job for a while now, the reason being is that there is haram music (rap, love, etc) playing 24/7 in there and the people i work with all use bad cuss words a lot although its mostly in joking with each other and towards me as well and even though telling them that i dont like to be talked to that way, lead to no avail. Also i sometimes feel like im not as bothered by the music anymore because of how much ive heard it there and probably becoming desensitized to it as well, as you know here in the US you'd be lucky to go a day without music entering your ears because of how common it is and what hurts even more is that everything i just stated with me is happening by arab non practicing shia muslims, i also feel like my heart is getting dirtier and its as if i just want to get away from all this to a place where there is no one. I want to know what you guys think i should do and considering the fact that i have younger siblings dependent on me to provide and my parents not living with us currently they are overseas and we are here as students. i have already asked my marja sayed sistani on working in a place where there is music playing 24/7 and i believe he said that as long as its not intentional its fine> also the reason im still contemplating on it is because im not sure if this is a test that Allah wants me to stay and go through or i should quit this job for the sake of Allah and rely on him to provide me with something better,,, im just confused now..... please give me your advice and guidance
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Salam, I have a question In Wasail al-Shia we find - "Amir ul-Mu’minīn Imam ‘Ali (a.s.) says, “Angels do not even enter a house that has wine, drum, tambourine or a flute. Even the prayers of the inhabitants of this house are unacceptable. They are deprived of barakat.” I don't listen to music at all and I know it's haram, but my family members play it and I ask them to stop but they don't. Does this mean my prayers are not accepted? I know of the Quranic verse which says that no soul shall be punished for another's actions... but the hadith is very clear..
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Why is my link to YouTube and website are dead?? can anyone help??
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So as many of you are aware, it is unheard of today to have a wedding without music and dancing even with relatively conservative muslim families, so how does the groom play around this when both his 'conservative' family and his fiancee's 'liberal' family strongly want a wedding (segregated) with music & dance? Is there any form of permissibility?
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Please some one make me clear. Even listening to such songs is haram too?
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I recently started watching Rurouni Kenshin and have been thinking to myself if what I am watching is haram because their are some haram elements such as the music in the background and mild sexual references and so on. I pray five times a day and read Quran and Dua, but I'm not sure if I could better spend my time doing something more productive. I also wanted to ask is what I'm doing a waste of time? The Quran speaks of all the good we should do while we are on this earth is watching something like anime beneficial, negative or neutral. Islamically after you finish your obligations (prayers) listen to some Quran and Dua should you further strive to learn more about Islam or is their leeway to watch tv, anime etc.
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