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I wanted to start a discussion regarding the mother of the believers Aisha. Is she still the mother of the believers after reading this?? According to the Shiaa the prophet (saww) left the authority to divorce his wives to Imaam Alee (as) and Imaam Alee (as) did divorce Aisha (la) The narrations that I will be posting are Saheeh (Authentic) and here is what Allama Majlisi (RA) says about them: Bihar al-Anwar, by Allama Majlisi, vol. 22, p. 495 "This was the end of what we have taken out from the book Al-Turaf, which it has taken out from the book Al-Wasiya, by 'Isa bin al-Mustafadh, and the book Khasa'es al-A'imma, by Sayed al-Razi (ra), and most of it is narrated in the book Al-Sirat al-Mustaqeem, by Sheikh Zaynul-Deen al-Bayyadhi. And 'Isa and his book are mentioned in the books of Rijal, and I have distinguished chains of narrators from them. And after the esteem of Al-Kulayni (ra) and the two Sayed's reliance on it, there is no meaning in declaring any of them as weak, in addition to that the pronounciation of the narrations and their meanings bear witness to their authenticity." So now lets begin: First narration: The prophet (saww) giving Imaam Alee (as) the authority to divorce his wives: Al-Ghayba, by Al-Tusi, p. 150 "O Ali, you are my successor upon my family, the living ones as well as the dead ones, and upon my women. So the one of them whom you bind (bind to the Prophet's marriage to them) shall meet me tomorrow (on the Day of Judgment); and the one of them whom you divorce (divorce from the Prophet's marriage to them), I am innocent from her. She will not see me, neither will I see her on the Day of Resurrection. And you are my successor upon my nation after me." Second narration: Imaam Alee's (as) promise to divorce Aisha: Sharh' al-Akhbar, by Abu-Hanifa al-Nu'man al-Maghribi, vol. 1, p. 211. Ali sent (someone of his servants) to Aisha, after the end of the cause of Jamal, when she was in Basra, to say: "Return to your house", and she denied. Then he sent to her a second time, and she denied. Then he sent to her a third time: "You shall return, otherwise I shall say a word in which Allah and His Messenger shall dissociate themselves from you!" Then she said: "Get me away! Get me away!" Then a woman, who was with her, said to her: "O mother of the believers, what did scare you with Ali's commitment over you?" She said: "The Prophet made him his successor upon his family and left the divorcement of his women in his hand." Third Narration: Imaam Alee divorcing Aisha: Al-Ihjtijaj, by Al-Tabarsi, vol. 1, p. 24 "Imam al-Baqir (as) said: When the Day of Jamal took place and Aisha's howdah had been hit by arrows, the Commander of the Faithful (as) said: "By Allah, I do not see anything else than divorcing her! So I call, to Allah, after a man who heard the Messenger of Allah (saw) say: 'O Ali, the issue of my women is in your hand after me' when he stood and bore witness over this!" He (Al-Baqir) said: Then 13 men stood up, among them were two Badri's, and they bore witness to that they heard the Messenger of Allah (saw) say to Ali bin Abi-Talib (as): "O Ali, the issue of my women is in your hand after me!" He (Al-Baqir) said: Then Aisha cried until they heard hear cry. Then Ali (as) said: "The Messenger of Allah (saw) said to me: 'Allah shall support you, O Ali, on the Day of Jamal with 5000 angels."
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This is purely an academic discussion and not meant to offend anyone. I am trying to draw parallels between 4 different islamic civil wars (battles). Ridda Wars - Apostasy Wars under the reign of Caliph Abu Bakr against those either stopped being Muslims or refused to acknowledge the leadership of Abu Bakr. Battle of Jamal: Caliph Ali (عليه السلام) against Aisha, Talha, Zubayr and others Battle of Siffin: Caliph Ali (عليه السلام) against Muawiya Battle of Karbala: Yazid against Imam Hussain (عليه السلام) @Cherub786 stated: The justification for Ridda (Apostasy) Wars was the rebels were challenging the writ of the State. Based on the above, we can all agree that challenging the writ of the State is rebellion and not only is it a rebellion but the rebels can be labelled apostates because that is what the Caliphate chose to call them. Q1) Based on the agreement above (blue), can we then assume the Aisha, Talha, Zubayr and other prominent 'sahaba' were apostates? Did they not rebel against Caliph Ali and challenged the writ of the State? Q2) Based on the above agreement (blue), can we assume that Muawiya was an apostate for challenging the writ of the State? Q3) Imam Hussain (عليه السلام) did not challenge the writ of the State directly but isn't not paying allegiance also an act of challenging the writ of the State? Some of the tribes in Ridda Wars were massacred simply for not paying allegiance to Abu Bakr so Yazid had a precedent set before him. Doesn't that justify that Yazid was right in going after Hussain and crushing the rebellion? Based on the agreement, does challenging the writ of the State make Imam Hussain (عليه السلام) an apostate (istagfirullah)? Q4) How are the actions of Yazid different from the actions of Caliph Abu Bakr? Please know that this is a serious academic discussion and not intended to hurt anyone's feelings.
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Salam warahma. My brothers, we need to speak truth about Aisha R. As a sunni, i have always respected and loved her. I recently learnt about the battle of jamal and just about all authentic narrations pertaining to it. To my knowledge, Aisha R went out with forces purely with the intention of reconciliation and reformation due to her status as Ummul Momineen. She did not question Ali Rs caliphate nor have the slightest intent of rebelling against him. She only went out thinking she could bring reform amongst people for Uthman Rs martyrdom. An agreement was reached between the army of Ali R and of Aisha, Talha and Zubayr R where both parties slept comfortably(based on the consensus of many historians, scholars and analysts). It was the people of fitna who deliberately consulted one another and ignited the fighting once more, causing both parties to think they betrayed each other. When Ali R recieved news of Zubayr Rs death, he cried as he saw his sword, saying 'how many times has this sword protected Rasoolallah?' Aisha R was not even on the battlefield the way people like Ammar Nakshawani(who i find very dishonest) make it out to be. She didnt even know that there was fighting going on until Ka'ab ibn sur told her to come out on her camel with the hope of stopping the fighting due to her status. As soon as Ka'ab R comes out, instructed by Aisha to judge by the Quran, the people of fitna realized that they will be exposed, and as a result shot arrows at Ka'ab R and went for the camel. Both Aisha and Ali R are yelling to stop the fighting and it is at this point that Aisha R realizes who the murderers of Uthman and the real evil people were. She prayed out loud saying Ya Allah curse the murderers of Uthman, the armies heard this and said it, and Ali R did the same upon hearing it When the battle ended, Ali R entered upon her and said Salam, asking how she is. She said Wsalam and said she is fine. Ali R said may Allah have mercy upon you and she said the same. Ali R found two men insulting Aisha ( much like extreme shias today). He ordered Qa'Qa R to lash them 100 times. When Aisha left Basra, Ali R walked out with her for miles, accompanying her bidding her farewell. Aisha spoke to the people of Basra saying 'oh children, some of us have transgressed against each other because of delaying and hastening(delaying to give bay'ah to Ali R, and rushing to avenge Uthman Rs death), so do not transgress one another. We are neither enemies to Ali nor is Ali an enemy to us. Wallahi there is nothing between me and Ali except what small quarrels ensues between a woman and her in laws. With me, he is the best of people' this is spoken publicly to the people of Basra Ali R responds by saying 'oh people wallahi she has spoken the truth, nothing was between us except the small quarrels between family members' he then followed with, and this my brothers is very important, 'she is the wife of your prophet in this life and the next' When Aisha was on her death bed, Abdullah ibn abbas entered and praised her, saying 'you are the wife of rasoolallah in this life and the next, and you are the one Allah proclaimed innocence of from the heavens'. Surely if Aisha was set to go to Hell fire (nauzubillah) as some shias say, wouldn't abdullah ibn abbas encourage her to repent? No, rather he praised her and said she is the wife of muhammad saw in this life and the next, as Ali R said. I urge you not to speak negatively of a woman Allah proclaimed innocence of in the Quran, a woman who played games and ate with the prophet pbuh, who would shower with him and who held his head in her lap when he passed away. My dear brothers, it is not as simple as some critiques make it out to be, i.e, aisha waging war vs Ali r. This is not true and we must be sincere. Please please please learn authentic narrations regarding this event, along with all of Aisha and Muhammad Saws beautiful marriage life.
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Imam Ali (as) fought valiantly in a number of battles. Which ONE would you like to observe if you could?
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Assalam O Alaikum, For ballanced and more approperiate explanation regarding major conflicts and disputes between shias and sunnies watch these videos. May Allah guide us to true teachings of Quran and Sunnah. Ameen
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Salaam Alaykum Imam Ali sent Aisha under military escort: Muhammad bin Abu Bakr and 40 women. Does this mean the 40 women were trained to defend the way Imam Ali's army was trained? I'm asking this to see if there are examples of women in the military back in those days. Also, does anyone know what animals these women were riding? Horses, camels?
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Salaamu 'Alaykum, During my stay in Najaf al-Ashraf I was given the honor to reside with many 'Ulema and tulaba of the Hawza. One day a wakeel of Hafiz Bashir al-Najafi (HA) and Sayyid Sadiq Shirazi (HA) came to visit me (even though I don't deserve any visitation) and they started discussing with me in regards to Islamic history. For the 'Ulema, it is a source of interest to hear the point of view of American Shi'a Muslims. Moving on we discussed the Battle of Jamal and Ayesha's wrongdoings, when I out of habit said something inappropriate about az-Zubayr. I somewhat cursed him, due to my ignorance. Almost immediately the wakeel rebuked me with an IMMENSELY ANGRY tone that az-Zubayr, although originally on the wrong side, asked Amir al-Mo'mineen for forgiveness and left the battlefield. He, az-Zubayr, was ashamed of his wrong doing thus he attempted to return home to Madina. During his trip back an assassin from the camp of Ayesha deceived him and killed him whilst he was in prayer, thus az-Zubayr died a martyr. When Ameer al-Mo'mineen (A) received the news of this he wept significantly and made much Du'a for his forgiveness. After hearing this narrative from the wakeel I have been troubled by this very much so and I would like to know why do we, Shi'a, not give az-Zubayr similar treatment to Hur ibn Yazid? A general of an army in the midst of an eminent war realizes his mistake, and asks for forgiveness from the Ahlul-Bayt (S), and later is killed on this basis should be honored, but he is not. I look at myself as one who has been blessed with much study in history but even with all what I studied I never had a good impression of az-Zubayr. How can this be? And when I take the name of az-Zubayr in front of our Shi'a brothers, even learned ones, they tend to ridicule him. Why is this so? -Agha Shabbir Abbas
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sunnis say that all sahaba are in janna how is this possible? what about the hypocrits ? u say talha,zubair,muawiya are in janna along with imam ali (as) i really dont understand what type of heaven is it then :no: what is your stand on hinda (who ate the liver of hamza in uhud) abu sufyan (leader of meccans in badr,ohud,khandaq) muawiya (siffin,nahrawan,killing of ammar ibn yasir (ra),breaking the treaty with imam hasan (as) ) talha and zubair (jamal) ayesha (jamal) umar (attacking bibi fatima al zahra (as) ) .... . . . .
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