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  1. Read the Reddit comments to understand what the thread was about, since the post has since been deleted. ....................................................................................... I'm so tired of the utterly nonsensical and VERY COMMON Sunni notion of 'I am happy to seek unity with Shias as long as they don't curse/insult/abuse any Sahaba, and especially NOT Aisha, Abu Bakr, Omar, Uthman. Firstly, any Shia claim regarding the sahabi that happens to go against the Sunni narrative is considered insulting. Secondly, and more importantly, is that the same notion is true for Shias... You are insulting the Ahlul Bayt by not accepting them as divinely appointed leaders of Allah, and infallible individuals, and perfect preservers of the religion of Islam, and a high means of seeking closeness to Allah (intercession). Not only are you insulting revered Shia figures by not following them, you are commiting MAJOR shirk by giving a false attribute to Allah, by saying that Allah has not always appointed an infallible leader on this Earth, and that there currently isn't an infallible leader. Furthermore, the real kicker is that plenty of revered Shia figures, such as Abu Talib (رضي الله عنه), are considered kuffar by Sunnis. Is this not insulting? So, how can we Shias unite with Sunnis based on their own fallacious logic? Shias are the minority, and Sunnis are the majority. It makes Sunnis think that they are Orthodox and that they have to unite with Heterodox for political and humanitarian reasons, and that Shias must make [ridiculous] compromises. Shias are far more receptive to the unity message, because we actually understand Sunni Islam, and can see the commonalities. We understand that we can't make Sunnis compromise on their beliefs. Simply by being the minority within Islam, by nature we Shias already understand Sunni beliefs, whereas Sunnis have a basic strawman understanding of Shia beliefs... which is natural, considering that they are the majority. Anyways, the point of my post is the following: Let's compile a list of revered Shia figures that are not given their proper status by Sunnis, according to Shia Islam... with an explanation given. ...This is to show that we Shias and Sunnis can unite, but we cannot unite upon revered figures and imamah. ...This will also serve as a way of showing Sunnis that this argument of theirs makes no sense. Another important question we may ask is "What about commonly revered figures like Imam Ali (عليه السلام) who is given different status in both sects? Can we unite upon Imam Ali (عليه السلام)?" ...a common Sunni criticism of political unity is that "Ali ibn Abi Talib (رضي الله عنه) is given an improper status in Shia religion because they call upon him... tawassul (intercession) of the 'dead' is Shirk! So there is absolutely no room for unity since we can't even agree on the status of the sahabi" [yes, I am aware that the Imams (عليه السلام) are still alive, but Sunnis don't believe this...] I would love to hear your thoughts. Wassalam. JazakAllah Khair. Fi sabilillah.
  2. The hadith of the prophet saw states that there will be 73 sects in his ummah and only one will be in paradise. Every sect believes in it and try to make a claim that they are that one sect. A. Sunni Hadith: Another Hadith is there in Hadith book Tirmdhi Hadith no 171 Narrated by Abdullah ibn Amr Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) said: There will befall my Ummah exactly (all those) evils which befell the people of Isra'il, so much so that if there was one amongst them who openly committed fornication with his mother there will be among my Ummah one who will do that, and if the people of Isra'il were fragmented into seventy-two sects my Ummah will be fragmented into seventy-three sects. All of them will be in Hell Fire except one sect. They (the Companions) said: Allah's Messenger, which is that? Whereupon he said: It is one to which I and my companions belong. (Tirmidhi Hadith No. 171) B- Shia Hadith: مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ يَحْيَى عَنْ أَحْمَدَ بْنِ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ عِيسَى عَنِ ابْنِ مَحْبُوبٍ عَنْ جَمِيلِ بْنِ صَالِحٍ عَنْ أَبِي خَالِدٍ الْكَابُلِيِّ عَنْ أَبِي جَعْفَرٍ ع قَالَ «ضَرَبَ اللَّهُ مَثَلًا رَجُلًا فِيهِ شُرَكاءُ مُتَشاكِسُونَ وَ رَجُلًا سَلَماً لِرَجُلٍ هَلْ يَسْتَوِيانِ مَثَلًا» (الزمر -: 29 -) قَالَ أَمَّا الَّذِي فِيهِ شُرَكَاءُ مُتَشَاكِسُونَ فَلِأَنَّ الْأَوَّلَ يَجْمَعُ الْمُتَفَرِّقُونَ وَلَايَتَهُ وَ هُمْ فِي ذَلِكَ يَلْعَنُ بَعْضُهُمْ بَعْضاً وَ يَبْرَأُ بَعْضُهُمْ مِنْ بَعْضٍ فَأَمَّا رَجُلٌ سَلَمُ رَجُلٍ فَإِنَّهُ الْأَوَّلُ حَقّاً وَ شِيعَتُهُ ثُمَّ قَالَ إِنَّ الْيَهُودَ تَفَرَّقُوا مِنْ بَعْدِ مُوسَى ع عَلَى إِحْدَى وَ سَبْعِينَ فِرْقَةً مِنْهَا فِرْقَةٌ فِي الْجَنَّةِ وَ سَبْعُونَ فِرْقَةً فِي النَّارِ وَ تَفَرَّقَتِ النَّصَارَى بَعْدَ عِيسَى ع عَلَى اثْنَتَيْنِ وَ سَبْعِينَ فِرْقَةً فِرْقَةٌ مِنْهَا فِي الْجَنَّةِ وَ إِحْدَى وَ سَبْعُونَ فِي النَّارِ وَ تَفَرَّقَتْ هَذِهِ الْأُمَّةُ بَعْدَ نَبِيِّهَا ص عَلَى ثَلَاثٍ وَ سَبْعِينَ فِرْقَةً اثْنَتَانِ وَ سَبْعُونَ فِرْقَةً فِي النَّارِ وَ فِرْقَةٌ فِي الْجَنَّةِ وَ مِنَ الثَّلَاثِ وَ سَبْعِينَ فِرْقَةً ثَلَاثَ عَشْرَةَ فِرْقَةً تَنْتَحِلُ وَلَايَتَنَا وَ مَوَدَّتَنَا اثْنَتَا عَشْرَةَ فِرْقَةً مِنْهَا فِي النَّارِ وَ فِرْقَةٌ فِي الْجَنَّةِ وَ سِتُّونَ فِرْقَةً مِنْ سَائِرِ النَّاسِ فِي النَّارِ From Aboo Khaalid Al-Kaabulee (Kankar) from Abee Ja`far (عليه السلام): He said: (asked about the words) «God tells a parable in which there is a company of quarrelsome people and only one of them is well disciplined. Can they be considered as equal? » (39:39). He (عليه السلام) said: «The quarrelsome ones» are because the first ones gather the different ones in his leadership and they did la`nah (curse) and did bara’a (disassociate) from each other. «The well disciplined man» is the first in the matters of his right as well as his Shee`ahs (followers). Then He (عليه السلام) said: “The Jews after Moosa (عليه السلام) separated into 71 sects of which one is in Jannah (i.e. Heaven) and the (remaining) 70 sects are in the fire (i.e. Hell). And the Christians after `Eesa (عليه السلام) separated into 72 sects of which one sect is in Jannah and the (remaining) 71 (sects) are in the fire. And this Ummah after the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) separated into 73 sects and 72 sects are in the fire and one sect is in Jannah and from the 73 sects, 13 of the sects plagiarize/impersonate friendship and wilayah of us (the Imaams), and 12 sects from it are in the fire, and one sect is in Jannah, and the (remaining) 60 sects from the rest of the people are in the fire” Source: 1. Al-Kulayni, Al-Kaafi, vol. 8, pg. 224, hadeeth # 283 Grading: 1. Al-Majlisi said this hadeeth is Hasan (Good) à Mir’aat Al-`Uqool, vol. 26, pg. 153 2. Al-Haadee Al-Najafee said this hadeeth has a Mu`tabar (Valid/Esteemed) Isnaad à Mawsoo`ah aHaadeeth, vol. 8, pg. 399 As per shia hadith the followers of the 12 imams from the Ahl albayt, the prophet sawww, having their wilaya will be in paradise. C- The sunni hadith about the companions if verified against the verses of Quran we get this evidence that Quran addresses the companions of the prophet in different manner and categorizes them in three groups: 1. The First group addressed by Quran as believers, and they are righteous. Quran praises them. 2. The Second Group addressed by Quran as believers and they are not sincere in their actions. Quran warns them. 3. The Third Group addressed by Quran who are hypocrites (Munafiqeen) among sahaba they may turn away from religion. Quran taunts them. The detail can be seen at the given link: http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235015369-does-the-quran-disrespect-the-sahaba/ I like to quote here the hadith of two weighty things as per view of by shia and sunni: 1- Shia View: Two weighty things: book of Allah swt ie quran and the Ahl albayt of the prophet. 2- Sunni view: Two weighty things: book of Allah swt ie quran and the sunnah (sayings and actions) of the prophet. The first hadith has also been narrated in Sahiheen books including Sahih Muslim. The comparison of both the hadith provides the evidence that the true sunna comes through Ahl albaayt alone. D- Similarly it can be derived from the comparison of both versions of hadith mentioned for 1 out of 73 sects that the rightful companions who are followers of Ahl albayt can be considered among one saved group. But have we should try to verify this assumption based on hadith further in the light of Quran. The Quran does mention that there is everything existing in Quran so we need to think on it in a logical manner: Also the criterion of hadith is considered as Quran. The hadith does mention about 73 sects. There is only one Sura in the Quran that has 73 verses alone. The name of the Sura is Alahzab. Ahzab means the groups (or it may be taken as sects). There is need to further study to get if we can get truth by this Sura. E- As the quran mentions in many verses to follow the prophet saaw, so I try to get the word Rasool ie prophet saw from this Sura. This word has been repeated 14 times in 12 verses. These are mentioned below: ٣٣_١٢ وَإِذْ يَقُولُ ٱلْمُنَٰفِقُونَ وَٱلَّذِينَ فِى قُلُوبِهِم مَّرَضٌۭ مَّا وَعَدَنَا ٱللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُۥٓ إِلَّا غُرُورًۭا ٣٣_٢١ لَّقَدْ كَانَ لَكُمْ فِى رَسُولِ ٱللَّهِ أُسْوَةٌ حَسَنَةٌۭ لِّمَن كَانَ يَرْجُوا۟ ٱللَّهَ وَٱلْيَوْمَ ٱلْءَاخِرَ وَذَكَرَ ٱللَّهَ كَثِيرًۭا ٣٣_٢٢ وَلَمَّا رَءَا ٱلْمُؤْمِنُونَ ٱلْأَحْزَابَ قَالُوا۟ هَٰذَا مَا وَعَدَنَا ٱللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُۥ وَصَدَقَ ٱللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُۥ ۚ وَمَا زَادَهُمْ إِلَّآ إِيمَٰنًۭا وَتَسْلِيمًۭا ٣٣_٢٩ وَإِن كُنتُنَّ تُرِدْنَ ٱللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُۥ وَٱلدَّارَ ٱلْءَاخِرَةَ فَإِنَّ ٱللَّهَ أَعَدَّ لِلْمُحْسِنَٰتِ مِنكُنَّ أَجْرًا عَظِيمًۭا ٣٣_٣١ ۞ وَمَن يَقْنُتْ مِنكُنَّ لِلَّهِ وَرَسُولِهِۦ وَتَعْمَلْ صَٰلِحًۭا نُّؤْتِهَآ أَجْرَهَا مَرَّتَيْنِ وَأَعْتَدْنَا لَهَا رِزْقًۭا كَرِيمًۭا ٣٣_٣٣ وَقَرْنَ فِى بُيُوتِكُنَّ وَلَا تَبَرَّجْنَ تَبَرُّجَ ٱلْجَٰهِلِيَّةِ ٱلْأُولَىٰ ۖ وَأَقِمْنَ ٱلصَّلَوٰةَ وَءَاتِينَ ٱلزَّكَوٰةَ وَأَطِعْنَ ٱللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُۥٓ ۚ إِنَّمَا يُرِيدُ ٱللَّهُ لِيُذْهِبَ عَنكُمُ ٱلرِّجْسَ أَهْلَ ٱلْبَيْتِ وَيُطَهِّرَكُمْ تَطْهِيرًۭا ٣٣_٣٦ وَمَا كَانَ لِمُؤْمِنٍۢ وَلَا مُؤْمِنَةٍ إِذَا قَضَى ٱللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُۥٓ أَمْرًا أَن يَكُونَ لَهُمُ ٱلْخِيَرَةُ مِنْ أَمْرِهِمْ ۗ وَمَن يَعْصِ ٱللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُۥ فَقَدْ ضَلَّ ضَلَٰلًۭا مُّبِينًۭا ٣٣_٤٠ مَّا كَانَ مُحَمَّدٌ أَبَآ أَحَدٍۢ مِّن رِّجَالِكُمْ وَلَٰكِن رَّسُولَ ٱللَّهِ وَخَاتَمَ ٱلنَّبِيِّـۧنَ ۗ وَكَانَ ٱللَّهُ بِكُلِّ شَىْءٍ عَلِيمًۭا ٣٣_٥٣ يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا۟ لَا تَدْخُلُوا۟ بُيُوتَ ٱلنَّبِىِّ إِلَّآ أَن يُؤْذَنَ لَكُمْ إِلَىٰ طَعَامٍ غَيْرَ نَٰظِرِينَ إِنَىٰهُ وَلَٰكِنْ إِذَا دُعِيتُمْ فَٱدْخُلُوا۟ فَإِذَا طَعِمْتُمْ فَٱنتَشِرُوا۟ وَلَا مُسْتَـْٔنِسِينَ لِحَدِيثٍ ۚ إِنَّ ذَٰلِكُمْ كَانَ يُؤْذِى ٱلنَّبِىَّ فَيَسْتَحْىِۦ مِنكُمْ ۖ وَٱللَّهُ لَا يَسْتَحْىِۦ مِنَ ٱلْحَقِّ ۚ وَإِذَا سَأَلْتُمُوهُنَّ مَتَٰعًۭا فَسْـَٔلُوهُنَّ مِن وَرَآءِ حِجَابٍۢ ۚ ذَٰلِكُمْ أَطْهَرُ لِقُلُوبِكُمْ وَقُلُوبِهِنَّ ۚ وَمَا كَانَ لَكُمْ أَن تُؤْذُوا۟ رَسُولَ ٱللَّهِ وَلَآ أَن تَنكِحُوٓا۟ أَزْوَٰجَهُۥ مِنۢ بَعْدِهِۦٓ أَبَدًا ۚ إِنَّ ذَٰلِكُمْ كَانَ عِندَ ٱللَّهِ عَظِيمًا ٣٣_٥٧ إِنَّ ٱلَّذِينَ يُؤْذُونَ ٱللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُۥ لَعَنَهُمُ ٱللَّهُ فِى ٱلدُّنْيَا وَٱلْءَاخِرَةِ وَأَعَدَّ لَهُمْ عَذَابًۭا مُّهِينًۭا ٣٣_٦٦ يَوْمَ تُقَلَّبُ وُجُوهُهُمْ فِى ٱلنَّارِ يَقُولُونَ يَٰلَيْتَنَآ أَطَعْنَا ٱللَّهَ وَأَطَعْنَا ٱلرَّسُولَا۠ ٣٣_٧١ يُصْلِحْ لَكُمْ أَعْمَٰلَكُمْ وَيَغْفِرْ لَكُمْ ذُنُوبَكُمْ ۗ وَمَن يُطِعِ ٱللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُۥ فَقَدْ فَازَ فَوْزًا عَظِيمًا The word Rasool mentioned in Sura Ahzab, 14 times in 12 verses. F- The Arabic word used for the prophet saww is “Nabi” ٱلنَّبِىُّ that is also used for our prophet saw. It has been mentioned in the following verses of Sura Alahzab. ٣٣_١ يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّبِىُّ ٱتَّقِ ٱللَّهَ وَلَا تُطِعِ ٱلْكَٰفِرِينَ وَٱلْمُنَٰفِقِينَ ۗ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ كَانَ عَلِيمًا حَكِيمًۭا ٣٣_٦ ٱلنَّبِىُّ أَوْلَىٰ بِٱلْمُؤْمِنِينَ مِنْ أَنفُسِهِمْ ۖ وَأَزْوَٰجُهُۥٓ أُمَّهَٰتُهُمْ ۗ وَأُو۟لُوا۟ ٱلْأَرْحَامِ بَعْضُهُمْ أَوْلَىٰ بِبَعْضٍۢ فِى كِتَٰبِ ٱللَّهِ مِنَ ٱلْمُؤْمِنِينَ وَٱلْمُهَٰجِرِينَ إِلَّآ أَن تَفْعَلُوٓا۟ إِلَىٰٓ أَوْلِيَآئِكُم مَّعْرُوفًۭا ۚ كَانَ ذَٰلِكَ فِى ٱلْكِتَٰبِ مَسْطُورًۭا ٣٣_١٣ وَإِذْ قَالَت طَّآئِفَةٌۭ مِّنْهُمْ يَٰٓأَهْلَ يَثْرِبَ لَا مُقَامَ لَكُمْ فَٱرْجِعُوا۟ ۚ وَيَسْتَـْٔذِنُ فَرِيقٌۭ مِّنْهُمُ ٱلنَّبِىَّ يَقُولُونَ إِنَّ بُيُوتَنَا عَوْرَةٌۭ وَمَا هِىَ بِعَوْرَةٍ ۖ إِن يُرِيدُونَ إِلَّا فِرَارًۭا ٣٣_٢٨ يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّبِىُّ قُل لِّأَزْوَٰجِكَ إِن كُنتُنَّ تُرِدْنَ ٱلْحَيَوٰةَ ٱلدُّنْيَا وَزِينَتَهَا فَتَعَالَيْنَ أُمَتِّعْكُنَّ وَأُسَرِّحْكُنَّ سَرَاحًۭا جَمِيلًۭا ٣٣_٣٠ يَٰنِسَآءَ ٱلنَّبِىِّ مَن يَأْتِ مِنكُنَّ بِفَٰحِشَةٍۢ مُّبَيِّنَةٍۢ يُضَٰعَفْ لَهَا ٱلْعَذَابُ ضِعْفَيْنِ ۚ وَكَانَ ذَٰلِكَ عَلَى ٱللَّهِ يَسِيرًۭا ٣٣_٣٢ يَٰنِسَآءَ ٱلنَّبِىِّ لَسْتُنَّ كَأَحَدٍۢ مِّنَ ٱلنِّسَآءِ ۚ إِنِ ٱتَّقَيْتُنَّ فَلَا تَخْضَعْنَ بِٱلْقَوْلِ فَيَطْمَعَ ٱلَّذِى فِى قَلْبِهِۦ مَرَضٌۭ وَقُلْنَ قَوْلًۭا مَّعْرُوفًۭا ٣٣_٣٨ مَّا كَانَ عَلَى ٱلنَّبِىِّ مِنْ حَرَجٍۢ فِيمَا فَرَضَ ٱللَّهُ لَهُۥ ۖ سُنَّةَ ٱللَّهِ فِى ٱلَّذِينَ خَلَوْا۟ مِن قَبْلُ ۚ وَكَانَ أَمْرُ ٱللَّهِ قَدَرًۭا مَّقْدُورًا ٣٣_٤٥ يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّبِىُّ إِنَّآ أَرْسَلْنَٰكَ شَٰهِدًۭا وَمُبَشِّرًۭا وَنَذِيرًۭا ٣٣_٥٠ يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّبِىُّ إِنَّآ أَحْلَلْنَا لَكَ أَزْوَٰجَكَ ٱلَّٰتِىٓ ءَاتَيْتَ أُجُورَهُنَّ وَمَا مَلَكَتْ يَمِينُكَ مِمَّآ أَفَآءَ ٱللَّهُ عَلَيْكَ وَبَنَاتِ عَمِّكَ وَبَنَاتِ عَمَّٰتِكَ وَبَنَاتِ خَالِكَ وَبَنَاتِ خَٰلَٰتِكَ ٱلَّٰتِى هَاجَرْنَ مَعَكَ وَٱمْرَأَةًۭ مُّؤْمِنَةً إِن وَهَبَتْ نَفْسَهَا لِلنَّبِىِّ إِنْ أَرَادَ ٱلنَّبِىُّ أَن يَسْتَنكِحَهَا خَالِصَةًۭ لَّكَ مِن دُونِ ٱلْمُؤْمِنِينَ ۗ قَدْ عَلِمْنَا مَا فَرَضْنَا عَلَيْهِمْ فِىٓ أَزْوَٰجِهِمْ وَمَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَٰنُهُمْ لِكَيْلَا يَكُونَ عَلَيْكَ حَرَجٌۭ ۗ وَكَانَ ٱللَّهُ غَفُورًۭا رَّحِيمًۭا ٣٣_٥٣ يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا۟ لَا تَدْخُلُوا۟ بُيُوتَ ٱلنَّبِىِّ إِلَّآ أَن يُؤْذَنَ لَكُمْ إِلَىٰ طَعَامٍ غَيْرَ نَٰظِرِينَ إِنَىٰهُ وَلَٰكِنْ إِذَا دُعِيتُمْ فَٱدْخُلُوا۟ فَإِذَا طَعِمْتُمْ فَٱنتَشِرُوا۟ وَلَا مُسْتَـْٔنِسِينَ لِحَدِيثٍ ۚ إِنَّ ذَٰلِكُمْ كَانَ يُؤْذِى ٱلنَّبِىَّ فَيَسْتَحْىِۦ مِنكُمْ ۖ وَٱللَّهُ لَا يَسْتَحْىِۦ مِنَ ٱلْحَقِّ ۚ وَإِذَا سَأَلْتُمُوهُنَّ مَتَٰعًۭا فَسْـَٔلُوهُنَّ مِن وَرَآءِ حِجَابٍۢ ۚ ذَٰلِكُمْ أَطْهَرُ لِقُلُوبِكُمْ وَقُلُوبِهِنَّ ۚ وَمَا كَانَ لَكُمْ أَن تُؤْذُوا۟ رَسُولَ ٱللَّهِ وَلَآ أَن تَنكِحُوٓا۟ أَزْوَٰجَهُۥ مِنۢ بَعْدِهِۦٓ أَبَدًا ۚ إِنَّ ذَٰلِكُمْ كَانَ عِندَ ٱللَّهِ عَظِيمًا ٣٣_٥٦ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ وَمَلَٰٓئِكَتَهُۥ يُصَلُّونَ عَلَى ٱلنَّبِىِّ ۚ يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا۟ صَلُّوا۟ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلِّمُوا۟ تَسْلِيمًا ٣٣_٥٩ يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّبِىُّ قُل لِّأَزْوَٰجِكَ وَبَنَاتِكَ وَنِسَآءِ ٱلْمُؤْمِنِينَ يُدْنِينَ عَلَيْهِنَّ مِن جَلَٰبِيبِهِنَّ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ أَدْنَىٰٓ أَن يُعْرَفْنَ فَلَا يُؤْذَيْنَ ۗ وَكَانَ ٱللَّهُ غَفُورًۭا رَّحِيمًۭا The word Nabi has also been repeated 14 times again in 12 verses. This shows the importance mentioned by quran associated with the prophet the number 14 and number 12. G- Importance of thinking on the verses of Quran: أَفَلَا يَتَدَبَّرُونَ الْقُرْآنَ ۚ وَلَوْ كَانَ مِنْ عِندِ غَيْرِ اللَّهِ لَوَجَدُوا فِيهِ اخْتِلَافًا كَثِيرًا 1. Then do they not reflect upon the Qur'an? If it had been from [any] other than Allah , they would have found within it much contradiction. (4:82) كِتَابٌ أَنزَلْنَاهُ إِلَيْكَ مُبَارَكٌ لِّيَدَّبَّرُوا آيَاتِهِ وَلِيَتَذَكَّرَ أُولُو الْأَلْبَابِ 2. [This is] a blessed Book which We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], that they might reflect upon its verses and that those of understanding would be reminded. (38:29) ذَٰلِكَ بِأَنَّ اللَّهَ نَزَّلَ الْكِتَابَ بِالْحَقِّ ۗ وَإِنَّ الَّذِينَ اخْتَلَفُوا فِي الْكِتَابِ لَفِي شِقَاقٍ بَعِيدٍ 3. That is [deserved by them] because Allah has sent down the Book in truth. And indeed, those who differ over the Book are in extreme dissension.(2:176) H- From the hadith of the prophet saaw there will be 12 imams /successors after him from his progeny ie Ahl albayt the names of those include: The first one is Imam Ali and last ie 12th one Imam Al Mahdi. Many hadith from shia and sunni sources provide this evidence. Now there is only one verse out of 73 verses where the Ah albaayt including the prophet saw has been addressed. That’s know as the verse of purification (33:33). This is the similarity that has been exhibited by the words of the prophet saw in his hadith ie 1 out of 73 sects. The hadith of thaqlayn clearly mentions about following the two weighty things ie book of Allah swt and Quran and they are not separated. The verse of purification addresses those purified Ahl albayt in this verse. I- We need to verify it further that the number 12 and 14 is related to these imams in this sura. I like to quote from the sources the names of 14 individuals including the prophet saaw mentioned by hadith given below: حدثنا احمد بن محمد بن عبید اللہ الحافظ (ر) قال: حدثنی علی بن سنان الموصلی قال : حدثنا احمد بن (محمد الخلیلی الاملی قال حدثنا) محمد بن صالح قال: حدثنی سلیمان بن اھمد قال: حدثنی زیاد بن مسلم (قال حدثنی) عبدالرحمان بن یزید بن جابر قال: حدثنی سلام عن ابی سلمی راعی رسول اللہ صلی اللہ علیہ و آلہ قال: سمعت رسول اللہ صلی اللہ علیہ و آلہ یقول : لیلۃ اسری بی (الی السما ٔ قال لی الجلیل جل جلالہ) (آمن الرسول بما انزل الیہ من ربہ ۔ قلت . و المومنون کل آمن باللہ و ملأکۃ و کتبہ و رسولہ قال: صدقت یا محمد من خلفت فی امتک قلت : خیر ھا۔ قال: علی بن ابیٔ طالب علیہ السلام؟ قلت : نعم یا رب۔ قال: یا محمد انی اطلعت الی الارض (اطلا عۃ) فاخترتک منھا فشققتلک اسمأ من اسمایٔ فلا اذکر فی موضع الا ذکرت معی، فانا المحمود و انت محمد ثم اطلعت الثا نیۃ فاخترت منھا علیا، فشققت لہ اسمأ من اسما یٔ فانا (العلی) الاعلی و ھو علی ۔ یامحمدانی خلقتک و (خلقت) علیا و فاطمۃ و الحسن و الحسین و الامٔۃ من ولدہ من سنخ نوری ، و عرضت و لا یتکم علی اہل السماوات و اہل الارضین فمن قبلھا کان عندی من المومنین ، و من جحد ھا کان عندی من الکا فرین۔ یا محمد ان عبدا من عبیدی عبدنی حتی ینقطع و یصیر کالشن البالی ثم اتانی جا حدا لو لایتکم ما غفرت لہ یقر بو لایتکم ۔ یا محمد ا تحب ان تراھم؟ قلت : نعم یا رب ۔ فقال لی : التفت عن یمین العرش ۔ فالتفت فاذا انأ بعلی و فاطمۃ و الحسن و الحسین و علی بن الحسین و محمد بن علی و جعفر بن محمد و موسی بن جعفر و علی بن موسی و محمد بن علی و علی بن محمد و الحسن بن علی و المھدی فی ضحضاح من نور ، قیام یصلون و ھو فی و سطھم یعنی المھدی ۔ یضی کانہ کوکب دری۔ فقال : یا محمد ھو لأ الحجج و ھو الثا ٔر من عترتک ، فو عزتی و جلالی انہ النا صر لاو لیا یٔ ، و المنتقم من اعدایٔ و لھم الحجۃ الواجبۃ و بھم یمسک اللہ السماوات ان تقع علی الارض الا باذنہ ۔ Ahmed b Muhammad b Ubaidillah Al-Hafiz narrated from Ali b Sinan Al-Mousili from Ahmad b Muhammad Al-Khalili Al-Amoli, from Muhammad b Saleh, from Sulaymaan b Ahmad, from Ziyad b Muslim, from Abdul Rahman b Yazid b Jabir, from Salaam from Abi Salama, who said: I heard the Messenger of Allah (saww) say: On the night of Meraaj, Allah asked me, “Did the messenger believe in what was revealed to him from his Lord?” I said “Yes”, And the believers believed in Allah, His angels, His books and His messengers.” Allah said “You are right”. Then Allah asked, “ Who did you choose as a successor?” I said, “The best of my nation”.Allah asked “ Do you mean Ali bin Abi Talib”? I replied, “ Yes, O Allah”. Then Allah said: O Muhammad! I looked at all of My creation and I chose you from among all of them. Then I derived a name for you from My name. Therefore, it is not permitted that anyone mention Me without you with Me. My name is Mahmoud and your name is Muhammad. Then I looked again (at all of My creation) and I chose Ali, and I derived a name for him from My name. So My name is Ali, the extremely high, and his name is Ali. O Muhammad I created you, Ali, Fatima, Hassan, Hussain and the rest of Imams from Hussain’s sons from My own light. Then I asked all of my creations in the skies and the earths to accept your Wilayat. I consider those who accept it as believers, and I consider those who refuse it as Kafirs. O Muhammad! If a slave from among My slaves worships me until he is torn and nothing is left from him, but he refuses to accept your Wilayat, Ali’s Wilayat, and the Wilayat of the Imams from his sons, I will not accept him or forgive him until he accepts your Wilayat, Ali’s Wilayat and the Wilayat of the Imams from his sons. Then Allah asked me, “O Muhammad, would you like to see them?” I replied. “Yes, O Allah”. Allah said, “Look to the right of the Throne.” Then I looked and I saw Ali, Fatima, Hassan, Hussain, Ali bin Hussain’ Mohammad bin Ali, Jaafar bin Muhammad, Musa bin Jaafar, Ali bin Musa, Muhammad bin Ali, Ali bin Muhammad, Hassan bin Ali, and the Mahdi. They were surrounded by light and they were standing and praying to Allah. Mahdi was in the center and he was shining like a brilliant star. Then Allah said: O Muhammad, they are My decisive proofs, and Mahdi will take revenge on My behalf. I swear by My Magnificence, he supports My friends and takes Revenge on My enemies. Following them and accepting their Wilayat is WAJIB (obligatory) on everyone. With My permission they prevent the skies from Falling on the earth. Reference: 100 Virtues of Imam Ali AS and his sons by Ibne Shazan - Bihar ul Anwar, V27 p199 h27 and others. J- Thus 14 names as mentioned in the hadith can be written as : 1. The prophet Muhammad saaw 2. Fatima SA 3. Imam Ali AS 4. Imam Hassan AS 5. Imam Hussain AS 6. Imam Ali bin Hussain AS 7. Imam Muhammad bin Ali bin Hussain AS 8. Imam ja’far bin Muhammad AS 9. Imam Musa bin ja’far AS 10. Imam Ali bin Musa AS 11. Imam Muhammad bin Ali AS 12. Imam Ali bin Muhammad AS 13. Imam Hassan bin Muhammad AS 14. Imam Muhammad (Mahdi) bin Hassan AS K- The verses of purification that mentions the Ahl albayt can be written in Arabic text below: إِنَّمَا يُرِيدُ ٱللَّهُ لِيُذْهِبَ عَنكُمُ ٱلرِّجْسَ أَهْلَ ٱلْبَيْتِ وَيُطَهِّرَكُمْ تَطْهِيرًۭا {٣٣} Indeed Allah desires to repel all impurity from you, O People of the Household, and purify you with a thorough purification. (Last part 33:33) The aerobic text provides the evidence that the text has been structured using exactly 14 Alphabets that have dots. These are mentioned below for clarity as quoted In the above verse in red colour: ن ی ی ی ز ب ن ج ب ی ت ی ت ی The total alphabets in this verse including the 14 with dots are counted as 47. So the Ahl al bayt are connected to the number 47 as given below: ا ن م ا ی ر ی د ا ل ل ہ ل ی ز ہ ب ع ن ک م ا ل ر ج س ا ہ ل ا ل ب ی ت و ی ط ہ ر ک م ت ط ہ ی ر ا. L- If we carry on and look the Sura number 47 placed in the Quran every one with receptive mind is surprised to know that the name of this Sura is Muhammad . This is the name of the prophet saw thus confirming that the verse of purification has a central place to exhibit the 14 infallibles including the prophet chosen by Allah swt. No one else has this respect and virtues. M- The Quran mentions in its many verses for the believers to Obey Allah swt and the Prophet saaw. يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا أَطِيعُوا اللَّـهَ وَأَطِيعُوا الرَّسُولَ وَلَا تُبْطِلُوا أَعْمَالَكُمْ ﴿٣٣﴾ Does this has any numerical connection? We need to verify it before we go any further: The Quran has one Sura for explaining the specific concept of Tauheed / oneness of Allah swt. This is named as Sura Tauheed / Al Ikhlas, it is placed at number 112. It has 4 verses. The Arabic text of these 4 verses is quoted below: قُلْ هُوَ ٱللَّهُ أَحَدٌ {١} ٱللَّهُ ٱلصَّمَدُ {٢} لَمْ يَلِدْ وَلَمْ يُولَدْ {٣} وَلَمْ يَكُن لَّهُۥ كُفُوًا أَحَدٌۢ {٤} The separate alphabets of these verses are given below: ق ل ہ و ا ل ل ہ ا ح د۔ ا ل ل ہ ا ل ص م د۔ ل م ی ل د و ل م ی و ل د ۔ و ل م ی ک ن ل ہ ک ف و ا ا ح د۔ And another astonishing truth comes here that he sum of the alphabets in these verses is exactly 47. The above provides the numerical evidence of the verses that obeying Allah swt means to obey the prophet saw and these concepts of obeying are linked with the numeral 47. The above discussion provides the evidence that obeying is linked with numeral 47: - Obeying Allah swt linked with numeral 47 - Obeying the prophet Muhammad saw likned with numeral 47 - Similarly Obeying Ahl Albayt is linked with numeral 47 (verse of purification is the evidence) N- Is there any verse that provides the Obeying three in numbers? يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوٓا۟ أَطِيعُوا۟ ٱللَّهَ وَأَطِيعُوا۟ ٱلرَّسُولَ وَأُو۟لِى ٱلْأَمْرِ مِنكُمْ ۖ فَإِن تَنَٰزَعْتُمْ فِى شَىْءٍۢ فَرُدُّوهُ إِلَى ٱللَّهِ وَٱلرَّسُولِ إِن كُنتُمْ تُؤْمِنُونَ بِٱللَّهِ وَٱلْيَوْمِ ٱلْءَاخِرِ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ خَيْرٌۭ وَأَحْسَنُ تَأْوِيلًا {٥٩} 004:059 O you who have faith! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those vested with authority among you. And if you dispute concerning anything, refer it to Allah and the Messenger, if you have faith in Allah and the Last Day. That is better and more favourable in outcome. First part of the verse is taken for research and is mentioned below: يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوٓا۟ أَطِيعُوا۟ ٱللَّهَ وَأَطِيعُوا۟ ٱلرَّسُولَ وَأُو۟لِى ٱلْأَمْرِ مِنكُمْ The first part of the verse mentions three types who are to be obeyed: Allah swt, the Prophet Muhammad SAWW and Ulil Amr. This part of verse has 14 dots in it. This is the proof coming from the hadith of the prophet Muhamamd saaw to follow Quran and Ahl albayt. The above verse mentions the three obeying and the discussion has provided the evidences that these linked to numeral 47 alone. O- Further verses of Quran: Sura Al-Qamar, verse 17. And We have indeed made the Qur'an easy to understand and remember: then is there any that will receive admonition? It is stated in the Quran that: i) Sura Sad, verse 29. “This is the Blessed Book that we have revealed to you, (O Muhammad), that people with understanding may reflect over its verses and those with understanding derive a lesson” Conclusion: That’s is the true interpretation of the hadith of 1 saved group / sect out of 73 sects in the light of the verses of Quran and their analysis as conducted above. The result we can mention the saved sect follows the Ahl albayt including 14 infallibles alone. wasalam
  3. Details and truth about such historical event is mentioned in THIS DOCUMENT with all references.
  4. Salam, The following questions have been prepared on the basis of discussions conducted in this forum at SC. 1. What is the criterion of the selection / appointment of prophets mentioned in quran for the guidance? (By Allah swt or by the people ) 2. Which verse of quran describes this selection criterion? Please mention it. 3. What is the criterion of selection / appointment of the caliph / leaders / imams other than prophet mentioned in quran? (by Allah swt or by the people)? 4. Which verse of quran describes this selection criterion of leaders/ caliphs / imams clearly? 5. Please quote the example from quran mentioning the names of the people selected prophet / imam / leader /caliphs by Shura / consultation instead of Allah wt for guidance. 6. Who are UlilAmr as described in the verse of quran (4:59) and given in the hadith of the prophet? 7. Please mention the names of Ulil Amr as given by the hadith of the prophet saw (ie Imams from the progeny of the prophet saww the first 3 caliphs as Ulil Amr). 8. Do you consider the prophet Muhammad saw as Mawala of the believers? If yes then as per quran is it necessary to follow him? 9. Has the Prophet mentioned any one as Mawala of the believers if so please mention the hadith? 10. Has the prophet described the first 3 caliphs as Mawala / Master of the believers as given in any hadith of the prophet saw 11. Whom the quran has described the sideeq / truthful one as mentioned in the quran (the chosen representative of Allah swt or a person chosen by the people? The purpose of the thread is not a discussion but the just an academic point of view to compare the answers of the questions asked. The answers will provide a good comparison for the truth. A final conclusion can be mentioned on the basis of these answers after a suitable time (like 2 week) after start of this thread. All Shia and Sunni friends are welcome to send the answers to these questions. Wasalam
  5. There is a question: As a Sunni Muslim can you explain what Shia Muslims believe and why? My Humble response to the question is: It is worthwhile to note that the question posed seems loose and general; for it includes too many conflicting issues that cannot be addressed properly and briefly. Anyhow, Islam is the last divinely-sent religion. Shia and Sunni Muslims are the two main and major streams of Islam on the whole. During the lifetime of the Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him and his family), all Arab tribes had gathered under the umbrella of Prophet and had relatively forgotten their ancestors' tribal and historical hostile rivalries. Unfortunately, with the sad demise of the founder of Islam, the Muslims got split into two main factions: A) Those companions of the Prophet who supported successorship of Ali b. Talib and saw him the most competent, knowledgeable and pious figure to be the Muslim leader. They were of the view that it was Ali b. Talib who was explicitly designated by the Prophet some 70 or 84 days earlier as his legitimate successor. He was to play the different roles of a spiritual guide, a religious authority and a political leader for the whole Muslim community. B) Those who clustered around the first and second caliphs i.e. Abubakr and Omar assuming that their Prophet did not appoint anyone to be a spiritual and political guide for his community. When the political leadership of the community experienced a major shift to figures other than Ali b. Talib, the family of the Prophet (a.s) and the close partisans of Ali were isolated and the mass were too deprived of their true and precise interpretation of Islamic teachings. Later on, Muslim community went through internecine civil wars which deepened their division extensively and deeply. Anyhow, the issue of leadership and the question as to who should control the political power ignited the flame of discrepancy among the Muslims. Another main reason for the difference between the Shia and Sunni accounts of Islamic teachings is the sources to which their theological, jurisprudential and political answers and perspectives rely upon. To the Shiites, beside the Quran, Sunnah and intellect, it is their infallible Imams' sublime characters that are considered to be the legitimate sources of deducing religious rulings. Whereas to the Sunnites, the case is a bit different because to them beside the Quran and Sunnah, it is the Prophet’s Companions and (Aisha) -one among many wives of the Prophet-, who play a decisive part in forming the structure of their theological, political and jurisprudential teachings. Their theory of "the justice of companions" can be seen closely similar and as a parallel to that of their Shiite counterparts' belief. To the Shiites, their Imams are infallible and can provide inerrant interpretations of the whole Islamic teachings. Those who are interested to conduct comparative studies of inter-faith complicated issues, should master in different fields of studies such as theology, jurisprudence, history and so on and so forth. Moreover, they have to get rid of declaring shallow, outdated and dangerous verdicts that can lead to aimless and endless civil-religious wars in the Muslim World. The internecine wars that would have no winner at all save weakening one another. Thanks May God Bless Us All to Be Resurrected with our Noble Prophet Muhammad (Peace and Blessings be upon him, his Family and his Elect Companions.
  6. asslamoalaikum, There are many arguments from Quran and Sunnah which prove beyond the shadow of any doubt that Imamat/Calphate/Leadership are divine institutions. This is main flashpoint between Shia and Sunni school of thought. Many examples of divine appointment of Imam/Caliph can be sited from Quran and Sunnah whereas Sunni view about caliphate/imamat is quite vague and confused one which finds no support from Quran and Sunnah (ant its proven many times). Even within Sunni schools of thought there are huge differences about the view of caliphate/imamat. One important and dangerous point regarding this basic difference between Shia and Sunnis is that Shia take Imamat/Caliphate as religious issue while Sunnis (though do not say it verbally) take caliphate/imamat as non-religious issue. The reason is the same because Shia take Imamat as "divine" hence take it as part of religion while Sunni take it as result of Shuru (consultation) has can not convince others that its a religious issue. Irrespective of the fact that Shia try to prove Imamat/Caliphate being divine institution from Quran and Sunnah and Sunnis deny this and try to prove otherwise, i would like to draw the attention of just minded Shias and Sunnis that can they place their right hand on their hearts and say that "A person can lead in an incident like Karbala without divine guidance?". The role of Imam is the protection of Islam and how beautifully Imam Hussain (a.s) performed this duty. It is not so because i am Shia hence i am saying that Imam Hussain a.s was definitely divinely appointed and divinely guided Imam who lead true Islam in Karbala. The roles of Imams (a.s) of each time show apparently that they were best of their time. A non divine imam can not be so perfect.
  7. Is there any proof for the "rule of the first three Rashidun caliphs" being unlawful?
  8. Are Allah and the Prophet more Qualified to Appoint the Caliph or the People? To start the discussion I quote the following verse: ShakirAnd when your Lord said to the angels, I am going to place in the earth a Caliph, (2:30) In this verse Allah swt has mentioned that He will make a Caliph in the Earth, showing only he appoints the Caliph.
  9. How can one prove that the caliph after rasullulah was divinely appointed [i.e the sucessor of Rasullulah (SAW) was divinely chosen]
  10. Source: http://rt.com/news/170900-isis-leader-video-watch/ The leader of ISIS, who appeared in a Ramadan prayer video calling on Muslims to obey him, has prompted confusion and become the subject of mockery as he showed off a $6,500 ‘James Bond’ watch. Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi made a public appearance following rumors of his death. Presumably addressing Muslims from the Great Mosque in central Mosul, he was clad in a long black robe and a black turban. But the Sunni radical leader became the subject of derision on social media after flashing an expensive-looking wris[Edited Out]ch. All over twitter they are already mocking him. Karl Sharro @KarlreMarksFollowThe strange thing about Caliph Baghdadi is that he has a very sophisticated watch and he still can't tell which millenium it is. 12:40 PM - 6 Jul 2014 hiranajam @hiranajamFollowI like how the newly self-proclaimed Caliph wears a £3500 watch. #doingitright 8:02 AM - 7 Jul 20142 RETWEETS 2 FAVORITESReplyRetweet M. @malasqalaniFollowOur caliph, bless him, was probably wearing a Swiss watch. Which brand & where did the money come from? #AskTheCaliph 5:36 PM - 5 Jul 201433 RETWEETS 7 FAVORITES
  11. Salam everyone :) I would like to share with u my thoughts about "Khulafaa Rashidun" which I explained in video.Thank u for watching and leaving comments. عليكم بسنتي وسنة الخلفاء الراشدين
  12. Voila... الشيخ الأزهري أحمد كريمة - الخلافة لآل البيت<--
  13. Amazing video implicitly identifying the 12 immediate successors of Prophet Muhammad (S), counted in Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim & others...
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