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Asslamoalaikum, I have a query to Sunni fellows here as i have seen they have flooded the forum with their threads and posts to prove Shia Islam wrong. So i thought this is good time to ask them some serious question so that they may get a Shia converted to Sunni faith. Here i go.. 1. Who was Abdullah Bin Saba? What was his real name? When did he convert to Islam? 2. How many companions did he have? Can you name his companions who were able to decieve good number of Muslims? 3. How many reports, hadiths or any other documentation we find in Sunni and Shia history? How many hadiths he reported? 4. Was Abdullah Bin Saba so intellegent that he managed to deceive good number of muslims even companions and even their elders like Muawvia, Aysha, Talha and Zubair that they fell easy prey for him and entered into battle with Imam Ali a.s? 5. Does it not prove that Abdullah bin Saba was quite intellegent while companions especially Aysha, Muawvia, Talha, Zubair and many others who rebelled against Ali a.s were quite stupid, blind and foolish that they were easily decieved by Abdullah Bin Saba? 6. Is it not the hadith of prophet that "A Faithful can not be decived twice from the same hole"? Did prophet (pbuh) not say that "A beleiver never lacks wisdom"? 7. Does the answer of preceding questions not prove that basically Abdullah Bin Saba is just a scapegoat invented to cover the crimes of Sunni elders? The fact is that Aysha, Muawvia and co were slaves of their desires and hard enemy of Imam Ali a.s therefore they reblled against fourth Sunni calph and first Shia Imam just for their carnal desires? Wasalam
Abdullah Bin Saba existed or not is not relevant but this is harsh fact that Salafis and other Nasibis of like nature have found a character for putting all the blame on him. Let us see what were the crimes of so called companions, this character Abdullah Bin Saba has been used for:- CRIMES OF ABDULLAH BIN SABA WHERE COMPANIONS WERE QUITE INNOCENT: 1. During Usman era Abdullah bin Saba and his followers forced Usman to break the ribs of Abdullah Bin Mas'od (r.a) and force Abu Zar Ghaffari (r.a) to live in "Rabza". Usman was so innocent to call "bread" "Bledd") (Urdu: Rotee ko chochee kehtae thae). It was all fault of Abdullah bin Saba and his companions (Sabaaites) 2. There was no dispute of companions of the prophet with Usman. The rule of Usman was a just rule where every one was happy there was justice, equity and fairplay. Every one was getting his due. The door of the Baitul Mal was open for all needy people and it is wrong to say that Ummayads were made powerful and they looted and robbed Baitul Mal for themselves. These were Sabaiites (Followers of Abdullah Bin Saba) who surrounded the house of Usman and later killed him. The companions of the prophet were so weak that they could not save this great companion of Prophet (pbuh)and he was murdered right in Madina the Islamic capital of that time. All the companions were sad on his demise. There was no saying of Hazrat Aysha that "Kill this Naathal (Jew), he has become Kafir". Sabaiites managed to kill Usman while he was in the tight security of great companions and Marwan bin Hikm (His son in law). Companions were innocent. 2. After killing Usman, the Sabbaiites managed to persuade Hazrat Aysha to fight battle with Jamal. Again this time the companions were so innocent that they were easily used by Sabbaiites for creating battle between Ali a.s and Aysha. There was no fault of companions of prophet (pbuh). They were quite pious people. They just made mistake in Ijtehad not more than this. Hazrat Aysha was also innocent. (She was so innocent to call "bread" "Bledd") (Urdu: Rotee ko chochee kehtee theen). 3. In Jamal Sabbaaittes made fool of Talha and Zubair who had no greed for the governorship of Basra and Kufa but they were so innocent that they easily break "Baiyat of Ali a.s" and joined Aysha for battle against Ali a.s. This is again fault of Abdullah Bin Saba and his companions while these great companions were quite innocent. They were also so innocent to call "bread" "Bledd") (Urdu: Rotee ko chochee kehtae thae). 4. In Sifeen also Muawvia had no greed of power. He was not obliged to leave his governorship on the order of Ali bin Abi Talib a.s. He was very loving person who wanted to take revenge of Hazrat Usman from his murderers. Sabbaaites again conspired and forced him to fight against Ali bin Abi Talib a.s. While he was so innocent. It was only his Khata e Ijtehadi that he executed Hujr bin Udi and many other companions of Prophet (pbuh). He was also so innocent to call "bread" "Bledd") (Urdu: Rotee ko chochee kehtae thae). 5. There was no fault of Yazeed (l.a) in Karbala rather Sabbaiites and his followers killed Imam Hussain a.s. This justified Salafis to call Yazeed (la) as R.a. Yazeed was so innocent to call "bread" "Bledd") (Urdu: Rotee ko chochee kehta tha). So the Shias are founded by Abdullah Bin Saba. lol
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