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Tatbir seems extreme to me. Is it a part of shia islam like matam is on the day of ashura?

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Dear brothers and sisters in Islam, I am a student of religion currently living in Iran. I have lived in Pakistan for many many years. Thus I am acquainted with both Farsi and Urdu languages. I have noticed a lot of my Pakistani and Indian brothers asking questions about zanjir-zani. They keep wondering whether zanjir-zani is permissible or impermissible. The term "zanjir-zani" is used both in Persian and Urdu but they have different meanings and significations in both languages. This term is originally Persian but it it signifies "qama-zani" in Urdu. When a Pakistani Shia Muslim asks a religious authority about whether or not "zanjir-zani" is allowed, he wants to get a reply about "qama-zani" (zanjir attached to knives) while the Marja (religious authority) who speaks Farsi or Arabic and has no idea about its Urdu meaning answers what he understands from this compound word (zanjir-zani). He says, "It is permissible." And he means to say that hitting oneself during Muharram using chains (zanjir) only is allowed. There is nothing in the word "zanjir" to indicate that it is attached to knives. Thus, we see there are two cultural settings and two significations for one word. The mujtahid means one thing and the recipient of the answer who comes from the Indian sub-continent understands something else. Here the duty-bound (mukallaf) should suffice to the literal and original meaning of the term "zanjir" which means chain only. He cannot take it for knives, blades, daggers and swords. That is what I want my Indian and Pakistani brothers to take notice of. Allah Hafiz.

Hello. Can someone list the marjas who forbids tatbir by meaning it is haram to do? Thank you

Not sure if this has been posted already. It's in Arabic. It seems tatbir was founded by Christians, then the Sufis took hold of it and mixed it up with Shia cultural practices. Then the anti-'irafni Shia pretty much made it wajib, and the pro-'irfani Shia pretty much made it haram. Also practiced by Thai Budhists during their Vegetarian Festival. (Watch 0:37 seconds). and as most of us know, exported to the Philippines (probably by the Spanish)

Question: Salaam, Is thia Narration authentic or even present in Behar al Anwar Or Some Narration like this? " O Nouman, Malaika (Angels) every year on 10th Moharram hit sword on their naked back to mourn my grandfather Imam Hussain (as) " ~ Imam Ali Reza (AS). [Ref : bihaar ul anwar Volume : 104, page : 223] Answer: It is not authentic and we did not find it in authentic sources. -Answered by the office of Ayatollah Makarem Shirazi

Salam alaykom I want to get a zanjeel but cant find one anywhere. The one with just the chains. None of the mosques near me have one. Any ideas? I live near London

(bismillah) (salam) In the name of Allah, The most beneficent the most merciful, Assalamu aleykum. I would like to ask the people of this forum if they could please help me out, By giving me a list of marajas from their knowledge that do not allow tatbir. Jazakallah. (P.S. I know Sayed Fudlullah is against Tatbir [May Allah increase his blessings])