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As all Muslims know Grave of Fatimah bint Rasul Allah (sawas){ فاطمه بنت رسول الله } is hidden? It is amazing and questionable that why her ( Fatimah Zahra فااطمه زهرا ) grave is hidden. She ( Faimeh daughter of Holy Prophet Muhammad (pbuh&hf) dies in time of Government ( Khilafat ) of Abu Bakr. But her grave is unknown it means Khalifa Awwal ( Abu Bakr), Umar hadn't know her grave ! Lets see what happened to Fatima bint Muhammad ( Spouse of Ali ibn Abitalib) who that we recite tasbih ( memorial of her as called tasibihat Fatima Zahra [ i.e. 34 times الله اکبر Allahu Akbar , 33 times سبحان الله Subhan Allah , 33 times الحمد اللهAlhamdu lillah after prayers]). In shia books events of after demise of Rasul Allah Muhammad ( pbuh&hf) and what happened to Fatima daughter of Prohet of Islam has been written in details, I will write some narration from Sunni Books about it and will attach scan of some pages from those books , InshaAllah. In first I amphasize that Islam and all deeds and Ibadats is for Oath of Allah and to satisfaction of Allah. Satisfaction of Allah and angry of Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala (الله سبحانه و تعالی )indicate who is in Heaven ( Jannah , Paradise جنت جنه) and who is in Hell ( Nar, Jahhannam جهنم ،نار). And we know following Hadith from Prophet of Islam that said: The Prophet of Islam Muhammad (PBUH&HF) had frequently said: "Fatimah is a part of me. Whoever makes her angry, makes me angry." Sunni references: - Sahih al-Bukhari, Arabic-English, v5, Traditions #61 and #111 - Sahih Muslim, section of virtues of Fatimah, v4, pp 1904-5 So Fatimah's Satisfaction and angry show way of Allah's Satisfaction and angry . In otherwise with behavior of Fatima Zahra and her Satisfaction and angry we know who is it Right way of Islam and who is not. Fatima Zahra bint Muhammad is very important person and she is daughter of Holy Prophet (sawas) and is master of women of Jinnah , and most important that is Fatimah Zahra shows us truth and right way and satisfation of Allah. Now briefly look at events happened to Fatima Zahra ( Daughter of Islam apostle (sawas)): The Sunni scholars, Ahmad Ibn Abdul Aziz al-Jawhari in his book 'Saqifah', Abu Waleed Muhibbuddin Mohammad al-Shahnah al-Hanafi in his book 'Rawdhat al-Manadhir Fi Akhbaar al-Awayil wal-Aawaakhir', Ibn Abil Hadid in his book 'Sharh al-Nahj', and others have reported the events to the same effect and mention that: Everybody came out of the house except Ali who said: "I have sworn to remain home until I collect the Quran." Umar refused but Lady Fatimah's remonstration caused him to return. He instigated Abu Bakr to pursue the matter, and he send Qunfuz (his slave) several times but received a negative reply each time. Ultimately, Umar went with a group of people to the Fatimah's house. When she heard their voice, Fatimah cried loudly; "O father, O Messenger of Allah, how are Umar Ibn al-Khattab and Abu Bakr Ibn Abi Quhafah treating us after you and how do they meet us." it is reported that: Ali and Abbas were sitting inside the house of Fatimah, Abu Bakr told Umar: "Go and bring them; if they refuse, kill them." Umar brought fire to burn the house. Fatimah came near the door and said: "O son of Khattab, have you come to burn our house on me and my children?" Umar replied: "Yes I will, by Allah, until they come out and pay allegiance to the Prophet's Caliph." Ahl Sunna reference: - Iqd al-Fareed, by Ibn Abd Rabb, Part 3, Pg. 63 - al-Ghurar, by Ibn Khazaben, related from Zayd Ibn Aslam# Umar Ibn al-Khattab came to the house of Ali. Talha and Zubair and some of the immigrants were also in the house. Umar cried out: "By God, either you come out to render the oath of allegiance, or I will set the house on fire." al-Zubair came out with his sword drawn. As he stumbled (upon something), the sword fell from his hand so they jumped over him and seized him." Sunni Reference: History of Tabari, English version, v9, pp 186-187 Also Jouhari in his book said: "Umar and a few Muslims went to the house of Fatimah to burn it down and to burn those who were in opposition." Ibn Shahna said the same statement adding "to burn the house and inhabitants". Another Sunni historian, al-Baladhuri, reported that: Abu Bakr asked Ali to support him, but Ali refused, then Umar went toward the Ali's house with a burning torch. At the door he met Fatimah who said to him: "Do you intend to burn the door of my house?" Umar said: "Yes, because this act will strengthen the faith brought to us by your father." reference: al-Ansab Ashraf, by al-Baladhuri, v1, pp 582,586 The Sunni scholar, Abu Mohammad Abdullah Ibn Muslim Ibn Qutaybah Daynuri in his history of Caliphs known as "al-Imamah wa al- Siyasah" reported: Umar asked for wood, and told those people inside the house: "I swear by Allah who has my soul in his hand, that if you do not come out, I will burn the house." Someone told Umar that Fatimah was inside the house. Umar said: "So what! It doesn't matter to me who is in the house." AhlSunnah book: al-Imamah wa al-Siyasah by Ibn Qutaybah, v1, pp 3,19-20 The historian named the following people among those who attacked the house of Fatimah to disperse people who sheltered there: - Umar Ibn al-Khattab - Khalid Ibn Walid - Abdurrahman Ibn Ouf - Thabit Ibn Shammas , Ziad Ibn Labid, Muhammad Ibn Maslamah , Salamah Ibn Salem Ibn Waqash , Salamah Ibn Aslam, Usaid Ibn Hozair , Zaid Ibn Thabit When Umar came to the door of the house of Fatimah, he said: "By Allah, I shall burn down (the house) over you unless you come out and give the oath of allegiance(to Abu Bakr)." Sunni books References: (pages vary in prints) - History of Tabari (Arabic), v1, pp 1118-1120 - History of Ibn Athir, v2, p325 - al-Isti'ab, by Ibn Abd al-Barr, v3, p975 - Tarikh al-Kulafa, by Ibn Qutaybah, v1, p20 - al-Imamah wal-Siyasah, by Ibn Qutaybah, v1, pp 19-20 Kanz al-Ummal, v3, p140 writes: Umar said to Fatimah (who was behind the door of her house): "I know that the Prophet of God did not love any one more than you, but this will not stop me to carry out my decision. If these people stay in your house, I will burn the door in front of you." ---------------- Shibli Numani himself testifies the above event in the following words: "From Umar's irritable and peevish temperament such an action on his part was not improbable." al-Faruq, by Shibli Numani, p44 It is also reported that: Abu Bakr said (on his death bed): "I wish I had not searched for Fatimah's house, and had not sent men to harass her, though it would have caused a war if her house would have continued to be used as a shelter." Sunnis references: - History of Ya'qubi, v2, pp 115-116 - Ansab Ashraf, by al-Baladhuri, v1, pp 582,586 Salahuddin Khalil al-Safadi another Sunni scholar in his book 'Waafi al- Wafiyyaat' under the letter 'A' while recording the view of Ibrahim Ibn Sayyar Ibn Hani al-Basri, well-known as Nidhaam quotes him to have said: "On the day of 'Bay'aat' (paying allegiance), Umar hit Fatimah on the stomach such that child in her womb died." :( :no: --------------------------------------------------- Now lets know what was Fatima opinion: Fatimah be angry to Umar and Abu Bakr: During Fatimah last days, when Abu Bakr and Umar sought the mediation of Ali to visit the ailing Fatimah , as quoted by Ibn Qutaybah, she tured her face to the wall when they greeted her and in response to their plea for appeasement reminded them of the prophetic declaration that one who displeases Fatimah has displeased the Prophet and finally said: "I take Allah and the angels to be my witness that you have not pleased me; on the other hand, you have angered me. When I shall meet the Prophet (PBUH&HF) I will complain about you two." (al-Imamah wa al-Siyasah, by Ibn Qutaybah, v1, p14). For the same reason, she willed that those who have hurt her should not participate in her funeral rites and that she be buried at night. Hidden grave of Fatimah is sign of all oppression and cruelties have been happened to her: al-Bukhari in his Sahih attests to this fact that Ali complied with the will of Lady Fatimah . al-Bukhari narrated on the authority of Aisha that: ... Fatimah became angry with Abu Bakr and kept away from him, and did not talk to him till she died. She remained alive for six months after the death of the Prophet. When she died, her husband 'Ali, buried her at night without informing Abu Bakr and he said the funeral prayer by himself. Sunni references: - Sahih al-Bukhari, Chapter of "The battle of Khaibar", Arabic-English, v5, tradition #546, pp 381-383, also v4, Tradition #325

(salam) I haven't posted in this section for a long time due to the same old topics being re-cycled over and over, it got useless; a discussion of ego's. I want to ask all those that believe the first 3 to be superior to Imam Ali (as) a few simple questions. Where are the scholarly works of the 3? if there aren't any why not? Surely if they are so elevated then they must have some books of there own. If not where are their many beautiful sermons/sayings? We all know that Imam Ali's (as) sermons and sayings are compiled; Nahjul Balagha. Please keep it on topic and useful. I just want to hear opinions/theories, without bias if possible. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I just saw this thread - http://www.shiachat....-it-understood/ My bad, it is in essence the same question.

This video gives the details of Abu Bakr's behaviour towards Fatima Zahra(sa) quoting from Sahih Bukhari. Link-

Someone recently mentioned how ahl sunnah wal jammah denied the caliphate of imam (ra). Of course this is not true, I thought about writing a long response detailing what ahl sunnah beliefs with regards to imam Ali (ra) and the rest of ahl bayt (as). But realized I would have to go into what we believed and did not believe. Debates etc etc. I just didn't want to go through all that, maybe another time and I've been pretty busy so instead I'm going to post some informative videos which details the ahl sunnah position on some important personalities in Islamic history. I'm starting off with sayyiduna Ali (ra). The lecture is not long and is very good. I believe those who take the time will benefit from it.

"Doubt" Shia Claim that Abu Bakr, Umar and Usman Killed Fatima (Ali’s Wife). So if it is true Why Did Imam Ali name his sons Abu Bakr, Umar , Usman??? 1. Abu Bakr is a konia( means cognomen or nickname). Konia dosen’t choose by father. The real name of Abu Bakr was “Atiq”. Abu al-Faraj Isfahani Said: قتل عبد الله بن علي بن أبي طالب، وهو ابن خمس وعشرين سنة ولا عقب له. “ Abdullah Ibn Ali was killed when he was 25 in Karbala” [Maqatelo at-Talibin vol.1 page 22] So his name was Abdullah and it’s the name of Muhammad’s father. 2. Umar used to change the name of children. Bilazari Said: وكان عمر بن الخطاب سمّى عمر بن عليّ بإسمه. Umar ibn Khattab chose his own name for Umar Ibn Ali [Ansab al-Ashraf vol 1 page 297] And Ibn Hajar named 21 persons of Sahabi ( friends of the prophet) who their names was Umar [ Al-Asabat Fi Tameez as-Sahabi vol.1 page 186] 3. Imam Ali Said: إنّما سمّيته بإسم أخي عثمان بن مظعون. I named my son Uthman because of my servant Uthman ibn Math'un. [ Maqatelo at-Talibin vol.1 page 22] Now I ask you if you name your son “George” means you love “George W Bush”???? And Why Usman, Umar and Abu Bakr didn’t name their son “Ali”??? Now read this if you think Ali like Abu Bakr He said: When the Messenger of Allah passed away, Abu Bakr said:" I am the successor of the Messenger of Allah." Both of you came to demand your shares from the property (left behind by the Messenger of Allah). (Referring to Hadrat 'Abbas), he said: You demanded your share from the property of your nephew, and he (referring to 'Ali) demanded a share on behalf of his wife from the property of her father. Abu Bakr (Allah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allah had said:" We do not have any heirs; what we leave behind is (to be given in) charity." So both of you thought him to be a liar, sinful, treacherous and dishonest. And Allah knows that he was true, virtuous, well-guided and a follower of truth. When Abu Bakr passed away and (I have become) the successor of the Messenger of Allah and Abu Bakr (Allah be pleased with him), you thought me to be a """"liar, sinful, treacherous and dishonest""". [ Reference: Sahih Muslim 1757 c;In-book reference : Book 32,Hadith 58;USC-MSA web (English) reference: Book 19, Hadith 4349] So Ali believed that Abu Bakr was liar, sinful, treacherous.

Proofs of The Sunni's Books That Show Omar & Abu Bakr Were Unbeliever 1. Innovator In Religion Is Pagan قال رسول الله ص: آَبیَ اللهُ آن یقبلَ عملَ صاحبِ بدعهٍ حتیّ یدع بدعتَه. [1] It was narrated that 'Abdullah bin 'Abbas said: "The Messenger of Allah (pbuh) said: 'Allah refuses to accept the good deeds of one who follows innovation until he gives up that innovation.'" (Da'if) [1] قال رسول الله ص: لا یقبل الله لصاحبِ بدعهٍ صوماً و لا صلوهً و لا صدقهً و لا حجّاً و لا عُمرهً و لا جهاداً و...یخرج من الاسلامِ کما تخرج الشعره من العجین. [2] It was narrated that Hudhaifah said: "The Messenger of Allah (pbuh) said: 'Allah will not accept any fasting, prayer, charity, Hajj, 'Umrah, Jihad, or any other obligatory or voluntary action from a person who follows innovation (Bid'ah). He comes out of Islam like a hair pulled out of dough." [2] Now the question is was Umar ibn Khattab innovator??? He admitted that innovated in Islam many times: A.Innovation of Permitting Wine by Umar Umar said that mix wine and water then drink it’s Ok. It was narrated that Dawud said: "I asked Sa'eed: 'What is the drink that 'Umar bin Al-Khattab, regarded as permissible?' He said: 'That which has been cooked until two-third has gone and one-third is left.'" (Sahih)[3] http://sunnah.com/nasai/51 But If you mix wine and water it’s wine again. It was narrated from 'Amir bin Sa'd, from his father, that: The Prophet [sAW] said: "I forbid to you small amounts of whatever intoxicates in large amounts." (Hasan)[5] B. Innovation of Analogy By Umar In Quran and Sunnah there is nothing that show Analogy is permitted. But as Umar was very creative innovate Analogy. He wrote a letter to Abu Musa Ashari that read: الفهم الفهم فیما تلجلج فی صدرک مما لیس فی کتاب الله و لا سنه. ثم اعرف الاشباه و الامثال و قس الامور عند ذلک. Every thing that you imagine and there is nothing about it in Quran or Sunnah. Identify it’s similar and compare them together…[6] C. Innovation of Taravih 'Abdur Rahman bin 'Abdul Qari said, "I went out in the company of 'Umar bin Al-Khattab one night in Ramadan to the mosque and found the people praying in different groups. A man praying alone or a man praying with a little group behind him. So, 'Umar said, 'In my opinion I would better collect these (people) under the leadership of one Qari (Reciter) (i.e. let them pray in congregation!)'. So, he made up his mind to congregate them behind Ubai bin Ka'b. Then on another night I went again in his company and the people were praying behind their reciter. On that, 'Umar remarked, 'What an excellent Bid'a (i.e. innovation in religion) this is; but the prayer which they do not perform, but sleep at its time is better than the one they are offering.' He meant the prayer in the last part of the night. (In those days) people used to pray in the early part of the night."[7] D. Innovation of Forbidding Motte عمر: متعتان کانتا علی عهد رسول الله و انا احرمهما و اعاقب There was two permitted Motta at Prophet’s time. Today I forbid those and punish Perpetrators. Motta of women and Motta of Haj.[8] 2. Everyone who Conflict on Caliphate with Ali is Pagan Ibn Moqazeli narrated that "The Messenger of Allah (pbuh) said: Everyone who Conflict on Caliphate with Ali After me is Pagan [9] Sayuti in Musnad Fatima, page 34 and 35 says this is authentic. Muqadisy, is amongst the well-known scholars of Ahl Sunna, about him Dhahabi says: الإمام, العالم الحافظ الحجة. (Muqadisy) says: هذا حديث حسن عن أبي بكر. الأحاديث المختاره, ج 30 , ص 88 Also amongst the other great scholars of Ahl Sunna, such as Farhan Maliki, insists this narration is sahih and there is no doubt about this. In the book of Ra’a fi Kutub Al’aqaid, page 52, he says: First I thought this narration has no documentation (sanad), but after some research I realized: و هي ثابتة بأسانيد صحيحه و ذكري ؟؟؟ This has been recorded with authentic sanad, and there are no doubts in it. Also the narration which the teacher of Bukhari, Ibn Aby Shaybe has narrated which says: “The second Khalif said: even though I highly respect Zahra, I swear by the Lord of the words this respect will not prevent me from ordering: إن أمرتهم أن يحرق عليهم البيت. Burn the house with all those inside” [10] 3. Everyone who say Quran Suffice is Pagan إِنَّ الَّذِینَ یَکْفُرُونَ بِاللَّهِ وَ رُسُلِهِ وَ یُرِیدُونَ أَنْ یُفَرِّقُوا بَیْنَ اللَّهِ وَ رُسُلِهِ وَ یَقُولُونَ نُؤْمِنُ بِبَعْضٍ وَ نَکْفُرُ بِبَعْضٍ وَ یُرِیدُونَ أَنْ یَتَّخِذُوا بَیْنَ ذلِکَ سَبِیلًا أُولئِکَ هُمُ الْکافِرُونَ حَقًّا وَ أَعْتَدْنا لِلْکافِرِینَ عَذاباً مُهِیناً Quran 4:150 Indeed, those who disbelieve in Allah and His messengers and wish to discriminate between Allah and His messengers and say, "We believe in some and disbelieve in others," and wish to adopt a way in between - Quran 4:151 Those are the disbelievers, truly. And We have prepared for the disbelievers a humiliating punishment. The point is that Quran uses “truly” only about these disbelievers. But how Umar tried to discriminate between Allah and His messengers? Narrated 'Ubaidullah bin `Abdullah: Ibn `Abbas said, "When the ailment of the Prophet (pbuh) became worse, he said, 'Bring for me (writing) paper and I will write for you a statement after which you will not go astray.' But `Umar said, 'The Prophet is influenced by disease (means that he says delirium), and we have got Allah's Book with us and that is sufficient for us.' But the companions of the Prophet (pbuh) differed about this and there was a hue and cry. On that the Prophet (pbuh) said to them, 'Go away (and leave me alone). It is not right that you should quarrel in front of me."[11] But if you research about it you will find that in reality Umar said “Arrajul La Yajur” means “The man says delirium”. (12) And it shows irreverence of Umar to call the messenger of Allah by “The Man”. So Umar discriminate between Allah’s word and Allah's Messenger and said Muhammad delirium. وَمَا یَنطِقُ عَنِ الْهَوَى إِنْ هُوَ إِلَّا وَحْیٌ یُوحَى. Quran 53:3 Nor does he speak from [his own] inclination. Quran 53:4 It is not but a revelation revealed, 4. Anyone Who Abuse Fatima is Pagan إِنَّ الَّذِینَ یُؤْذُونَ اللَّهَ وَ رَسُولَهُ لَعَنَهُمُ اللَّهُ فِی الدُّنْیا وَ الْآخِرَهِ وَ أَعَدَّ لَهُمْ عَذاباً مُهِینا Quran 33:57 Indeed, those who abuse Allah and His Messenger - Allah has cursed them in this world and the Hereafter and prepared for them a humiliating punishment. قال رسول الله صلی الله علیه و اله: فاطمه بضعه منی من آذاها آذانی و من آذانی فقد آذی الله. Miswar b. Makhramah reported Allah's Messenger (pbuh) as saying: Fatima is a part of me. He in fact tortures me who tortures her.[13] Narrated Al-Miswar bin Makhrama: Allah's Messenger (pbuh) said, "Fatima is a part of me, and he who makes her angry, makes me angry."[14] It has narrated too many times that Allah's Messenger said it. But Abu Bakr and Umar abused Fatima and killed her when she was pregnant. Narrated `Aisha: After the death of Allah 's Apostle Fatima the daughter of Allah's Messenger (pbuh) asked Abu Bakr to give her, her share of inheritance from what Allah's Messenger (pbuh) had left of the Fai (i.e. booty gained without fighting) which Allah had given him. Abu Bakr said to her, "Allah's Apostle said, 'Our property will not be inherited, whatever we (i.e. prophets) leave is Sadaqa (to be used for charity)." Fatima, the daughter of Allah's Messenger (pbuh) got angry and stopped speaking to Abu Bakr, and continued assuming that attitude till she died. Fatima remained alive for six months after the death of Allah's Messenger (pbuh). She used to ask Abu Bakr for her share from the property of Allah's Messenger (pbuh) which he left at Khaibar, and Fadak, and his property at Medina (devoted for charity). Abu Bakr refused to give her that property.[15] Abu Bakr lied that prophet’s property will not be inherited because Quran says: Quran 27:16: And Solomon inherited David. 19:5 And indeed, I fear the successors after me, and my wife has been barren, so give me from Yourself an heir19:6 Who will inherit me and inherit from the family of Jacob. انی اشهد الله و ملائکته انکما اسخطتمانی و ما ارضیتمانی و لئن لقیت النبی لاشکونکما الیه. [16] I take God and his Angels witness that you two made me angry and didn’t get my satisfaction and If I visit the prophet I will complain about you two. [17] فوجدت فاطمه علی ابی بکر فی ذلک فهجرته فلم تکلمه حتی توفیت...فلما توفیت دفنها زوجها علی لیلا و لم یوذن بها ابابکر و صلی علیها. So Abu Bakr refused to give anything of that to Fatima. So she became angry with Abu Bakr and kept away from him, and did not task to him till she died. She remained alive for six months after the death of the Prophet. When she died, her husband `Ali, buried her at night without informing Abu Bakr and he said the funeral prayer by himself.[18] ان فاطمه ماتت و هی واجده علی ابی بکر و عمر. Fatima died while she was very angry with Abu Bakr and Umar [19] So Abubakr and Umar made Fatima and Muhammad angry and abused them. Now You J １) Sunan Ibn Majah vol۱page ۷۸ English reference: Vol. 1, Book 1, Hadith 50; Arabic reference: Book 1, Hadith 52 ２) Sunan Ibn Majah vol۱page ۷۷ English reference: Vol. 1, Book 1, Hadith 49 ; Arabic reference: Book 1, Hadith 51 ۳) Sunan Baihaqi vol۸ page ۳۰۰ , ۳۰۱ - Sunan an-Nasa’i vol۸ page ۳۲۹ - Kanzul Ummal vol ۳ page ۱۰۹ , - ۱۰۱ Taisiral Vusul vol۲ page ۱۷۸ - Jame Masanid Abu Hanifa vol ۲ page ۱۹۱ ۴) Ahkam al-Quran vol۲ page ۵۶۵ ۵) Sunan ad-Darimi vol ۲ page ۱۱۳ - Sunan an-Nasa’i vol۸ page ۳۰۱ - Sunan Baihaqi vol۸ page ۲۹۶- Masabih as-Sunnah vol۲ page ۶۷ – Tarikh Khatib Baqdadi vol۳ page ۳۲۷ - Sahih at-Termezi vol۱ page ۳۴۲ Sunan an-Nasa'i 5608, In-book reference: Book 51, Hadith 70, English translation: Vol. 6, Book 51, Hadith 5611 ۶) Albaian Va at-Tabien - Jahiz ۲/۲۴ -- Sahih Muslim ۱ / ۲۴-۲۵ -- Sunan Baihaqi ۱۰/۱۵۰ -- Sharh of Nahjul Balagha by Ibn Abi al-Hadid ۱۲ /۹۰ – ۹۱ -- Aqaied al-Farid ibn Abdi Rabbih ۱/۸۶-۸۸ ۷) Sahih al-Bukhari Traweeh vol۲ / ۲۵۲ , Mota Malik vol۱ / ۱۱۴ , at_Traeef Ibn Tawoos page ۴۴۵ . ۸) Tafsir ar-Razi vol2/167 &vol3/201&202 , Sharh of Nahjul Balagha by Ibn Abi al-Hadid vol12/251&252 vol1/182, Tafsir al-Qartabi vol2/270, … ۹) Manqib ibn Maqazili page ۴۵ hadith ۶۸ - Yanabi al-Maviddah page ۹۷ – Kanz al Ummal vol ۱page ۲۰۹ hadith۱۰۴۶ – Manaqib ibn Shahr Ashub hadith ۳ page ۲۱۶. ۱۰) alMusnaf, Volume 8, page 572 ۱۱) Sahih al-Bukhari (Knowledge) & ۱/۲۲ Musnad Ahmad ibn Hanbal hadith ۲۹۹۲. Reference: Sahih al-Bukhari 114,In-book reference: Book 3, Hadith 56 12) Musnad of Ahmad Hanbal vol 1 page 185 13) USC-MSA web (English) reference : Book 31, Hadith 6000, Arabic reference : Book 45, Hadith 6461 14) Sahih al-Bukhari hadith۳۴۲۷& ۳۴۸۳ - Musnad Ahmad ibn Hanbal vol4 page ۳۲۸ ,Sahih Muslim hatith 4483,Mustadrak Hakem vol۳page 159 Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 3714, In-book reference : Book 62, Hadith 64, USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 5, Book 57, Hadith 61 15) Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 3092, 3093, In-book reference : Book 57, Hadith 2, USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 4, Book 53, Hadith 325 16) Sahih al-Bukhari vol ۵ page۲۶ - Sahih Muslim vol ۴page۱۹۳ 17) Mawat al-Qorba Mawddat7 page 22 18) Reference: Sahih al-Bukhari 4240, 4241,In-book reference: Book 64, Hadith 278,USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 5, Book 59, Hadith 546 19) Sharh of Nahjul Balagha by Ibn Abi al-Hadid vol 6 page 50

(bismillah) (salam) There has been quite some controversy over this with the akhbaris - who accept most of the hadiths collected by the qudama - and the modern hardcore rijalists who are unwilling to accept half the akhbaar. It is a question of the position of the shaikhain based on the pure and authentic tashayyu3 brought by our Imams. Now every shia is agreed that figures like Mu'awiyah and his supporters were renegades and that the Shaykhain are inferior to Imam Ali and did grave misdeeds. But there are hadiths which say the shaikhain were kafirs while others give the impression they were muslims. To solve this, I request both sides of the argument to bring hadiths for and against the motion of the shaykhain being kuffar, and examine their authenticity. Perhaps we can finally come to a sensible judgement about the two caliphs. (wasalam)

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(bismillah) (salam) As you know the claim is that the first three caliphs (Abu Bakr,Umar,Uthman) had more knowledge than Ameer al mumeneen Ali Ibn Abi Talib (as). Therefore we must follow them for they know the sunnah the best, whoever this video shows that only Ali Ibn Abi Talib (as) knew the sunnah and not the first three caliphs.

(salam) How are you? This is incident which has been spreading in Facebook. This is unfortunately written it Urdu. So it will be hard for non-Urdu to understand this. I try to tell this incident in English. Actually it is an incident about Langar (food served to poor people) and everybody was getting food, but only one person asked for two people food, then langar distributor asked why you're asking for two people food. The person replied, " This is for the person who is sitting there, who is very poor and eating food with water. and then the distributor replied, "the langarpeople eating here it is due to this person (pointing to the poor person). And this is our Caliph Abu Bakar. I heard this was not Abu Bakr.. but Maula Ali (as). so I am asking Sunni and Shia brothers, share Hadith about this incident. so it is then confirmed. To Sunni: If It is Abu Bakr, then please provide Hadith with reference. To Shia: If it is Maula Ali (as) then please provide Hadith with reference. That would be enough for me. :) Thanks you so much, (wasalam)

A Bakri False site making usual propaganda that Hadeeth of 'Saheeh Al Bukhari about the angry of Fatima s.a to Abu Bakr is a insertion of Sub Narrator not of Aisha. To Support his fantasy he quoted few Hadeeth from Jami Al Bukhari. When one of our brother replied -they did not publish that rather preferred to hide below the table. The refutation is here on my site. http://www.true-sunna.info/index.php?p=1_4_Refutation

Salaams, I sunni brother asked me, if Ali (a.s) did not like AbuBakr then why did he pledge allegiance to him. I was wondering if you could give me sunni proof that he didn't. If he did then what were the reasons behind it. With sunni reference please... Thanks Shukran

HISTORY OF OWNERSHIP OF FADAK <p dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;"> On 7th Hijri, the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.a.) had given this place as a gift to his beloved daughter Janabe Fatema (s.a.). She used to administer this place through her appointees. Just ten days after the demise of the Prophet (s.a.w.a.), Fadak was snatched away from her. Inspite of providing proofs and witnesses, it was not returned to her. It was not considered as a parented heritage and property. According to Sahih Bukhari the 2nd Caliph had returned it to the successors. The 3rd Caliph took possession of it by force and gifted it to Marwan. Mu’aviya in his time divided it into three parts. Marwan, during the tenure of his Khilafat took all of it in his possession and gifted away to his sons Abdul Malik and Abdul Aziz. It remained in their possession till the time of Umar Bin Abdul Aziz. Umar Bin Abdul Aziz, got his father’s share as inheritance, he bought the share of Abdul Malik and returned it to the children of Fatema (s.a.). Yazid Bin Malik, in his time, took it back from the children of Fatema (s.a.), and kept it in his possession. The 1st Caliph of Bani Abbas, Sa’fah, consider­ing Imam Hasan (a.s.) as a successor of Fatema (s.a.), gave Fadak to him. Mansoor Dawaniqi, again usurped it. Mahdi, the son of Mansoor returned it to the children of Hazrat Ali (a.s.). Moosa, the son of Mahdi, again usurped it. Fadak that was given by the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.a.) to Janabe Fatema Zahra (s.a.), was chang­ing hands between the Caliphs of Bani Abbas, till the time of Ma’moun. Ma’moun, had a religious discussion with a follower of Hazrat-Ali (a.s.) (Alawi), and reached to the decision that Fadak is the property of Janabe Fatema (s.a.). Hence he returned it to her children. Mutwakkel Abbasi, usurped it and took it in his possession. He gifted it away to Abdulla Bin Umar Baaq. Abdulla Bin Umar Baaq, ordered Bushraan Bin Abi Umaryyi Taqzi to go and cut down all the trees. He went to Medina and cut all the trees. He even cut those eleven trees that were personally planted by the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.a.). When Bushraan returned from Medina to Basrah he was struck by paralysis and died subsequently. We ASK these QUESTIONS If Fadak was not the property of Fatema Zahra (s.a.w.a.), then why the 2nd Caliph, Umar Bin Abdul Aziz, Sa’fah, Mahdi and Mamoon and other Umayyid Caliphs had returned it to Janabe Fatema (s.a.)? If Fadak was the property of Fatema Zahra (s.a.w.a.) why the 3rd Caliph, Mu’aviya, Yazid Bin Abdul Malik, Mansoor Dawaniqi, Moosa Bin Mahdi and Mutewakkel added it in their property? And why they gifted it away to others? If Fadak, was the property of Government Treasury, every Muslim was having a right over it; why only a few favorites were considered for keeping it? Why the 1st Caliph did not do justice by it? And he did not try to earn the pleasure of Janabe Fatema Zahra (s.a.), by giving it to her. This would have resulted in earning the pleasure of Allah as well as of the Prophet (s.a.w.a.).

Salam, I have read that sunni muslims say that Imam Jaffer-e-Sadiq (as) was sunni because he related to abu bakr and used to respect the sahaba and usman & abu bakr. Is this true?

The early injustices done by Abu Bakr against Lady Fatima Zahra Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã, paved the way for his offspring to do the same against the Prophet's progeny. Sayyid Safdar Hussain, in his valuable book The Early History of Islam p.242, summarized the wrongdoings committed by the Bakrs (the descendants of Abu Bakr) against Fatima (A) and her descendants in several points. He wrote: "History shows that Abu Bakr himself and his whole family (excepting Asma and her son Muhammad) were hostile to the Prophet's family, in utter disregard to what the Quran ordained or what the Prophet had said relating to the respect and love for his family. The following is the list of those whose hostility was distinctively marked: PLEASE VISIT FOT MORE ARTICLES : http://oppressionsuponjanabezahra.blogspot.com/ 1. Abu Bakr, on his accession to the Caliphate, sent Umar to Fatima's house to compel Ali, by force, to come in and do fealty to him. Umar threatened to burn the house down upon Fatima, and brought Ali under escort to Abu Bakr where he was so humiliated and insulted that he cried bitterly at the tomb of the Prophet complaining against the treatment he had received. Subsequently, Fatima was so much grieved by Abu Bakr that as long as she survived her father, she never spoke a word to Abu Bakr and on her deathbed she forbade his joining her funeral. 2. Abu Bakr's daughter, Aisha, revolted against Ali, the Caliph, and at the head of thirty thousand soldiers, she fought the battle of Jamal; but she was discomfited with heavy loss. 3. Abu Bakr's son‑in‑law, Zubair Ibn Al Awwam, the husband of Asma, the eldest daughter of Abu Bakr, was the Commander of Aisha's armies; during the heat of the battle, he withdrew and took the road towards Mecca, but was slain only at a short distance from the field of battle. 4. Abu Bakr's grandson, Abdullah, the son of Zubair by Asma, was the commander of Aisha's infantry. He was the adopted son of Aisha. After the battle, he was pulled out from under a heap of the slain lying in the battlefield. 5. Abu Bakr's cousin, Talha, and the husband of Abu Bakr's daughter Umme Kulthum, was a Commander of Aisha's Troops. In the heat of the battle, Marwan (the Secretary and the evil genius of Caliph Othman), an officer in the same forces, seeing Talha busily engaged, said to his slave: `It was but the other day that Talha was busily instigating the murderers of Othman and now he busily seeks to revenge his blood. What a hypocrisy to gain worldly grandeur!' So saying, he shot an arrow, which pierced through Talha's leg and struck his horse, which flew wildly off the ranks and Talha fell to the ground. He was instantly taken to Basra where he died after awhile. 6. Abu Bakr's cousin, Abu Al‑Rahman, a brother of Talha, also fell fighting in the same battle. 7. Muhammad, the son of Talha, also fell in the same battle. 8. Abu Bakr's sister, Umme Farwa's daughter, Jo'da Bint Ash'ath poisoned Al‑Hassan, the son of Ali, to death. She was suborned to commit the wickedness by Yazid the son of Mu'awiya or by Mu'awiya himself. 9. Abu Bakr's sister's (Umme Farwa's) son Ishaq, both brothers, the sons of Ash'sth, appeared among the armies of Yazid, fighting against Hussain, the son of Ali, at the Karbala tragedy. Later on, the former was killed fighting against Mukhtār, who was avenging the murder of Hussain; while the latter, who had taken off the dead body of Hussain some of his clothes, was torn to death by dogs. 10. Mos'ab, a son of Zubair, the son‑in‑law of Abu Bakr, fought against Mukhtar, who was killed avenging the murder of Hussain.” [REFERENCE : FATIMA THE GRACIOUS CHAPTER 53]

How many people where at the prophet funeral?? I was trying to look up this question on google but i got nothing. Also is any hadith stating how many people where there??

ABU BAKR'S FAMILY VERSUS FATIMA’S PROGENY THROUGHOUT HISTORY The early injustices done by Abu Bakr against Lady Fatima Zahra Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã, paved the way for his offspring to do the same against the Prophet's progeny. Sayyid Safdar Hussain, in his valuable book The Early History of Islam p.242, summarized the wrongdoings committed by the Bakrs (the descendants of Abu Bakr) against Fatima (A) and her descendants in several points. He wrote: "History shows that Abu Bakr himself and his whole family (excepting Asma and her son Muhammad) were hostile to the Prophet's family, in utter disregard to what the Quran ordained or what the Prophet had said relating to the respect and love for his family. The following is the list of those whose hostility was distinctively marked: http://oppressionsuponjanabezahra.blogspot.com/ 1. Abu Bakr, on his accession to the Caliphate, sent Umar to Fatima's house to compel Ali, by force, to come in and do fealty to him. Umar threatened to burn the house down upon Fatima, and brought Ali under escort to Abu Bakr where he was so humiliated and insulted that he cried bitterly at the tomb of the Prophet complaining against the treatment he had received. Subsequently, Fatima was so much grieved by Abu Bakr that as long as she survived her father, she never spoke a word to Abu Bakr and on her deathbed she forbade his joining her funeral. 2. Abu Bakr's daughter, Aisha, revolted against Ali, the Caliph, and at the head of thirty thousand soldiers, she fought the battle of Jamal; but she was discomfited with heavy loss. 3. Abu Bakr's son‑in‑law, Zubair Ibn Al Awwam, the husband of Asma, the eldest daughter of Abu Bakr, was the Commander of Aisha's armies; during the heat of the battle, he withdrew and took the road towards Mecca, but was slain only at a short distance from the field of battle. 4. Abu Bakr's grandson, Abdullah, the son of Zubair by Asma, was the commander of Aisha's infantry. He was the adopted son of Aisha. After the battle, he was pulled out from under a heap of the slain lying in the battlefield. 5. Abu Bakr's cousin, Talha, and the husband of Abu Bakr's daughter Umme Kulthum, was a Commander of Aisha's Troops. In the heat of the battle, Marwan (the Secretary and the evil genius of Caliph Othman), an officer in the same forces, seeing Talha busily engaged, said to his slave: `It was but the other day that Talha was busily instigating the murderers of Othman and now he busily seeks to revenge his blood. What a hypocrisy to gain worldly grandeur!' So saying, he shot an arrow, which pierced through Talha's leg and struck his horse, which flew wildly off the ranks and Talha fell to the ground. He was instantly taken to Basra where he died after awhile. 6. Abu Bakr's cousin, Abu Al‑Rahman, a brother of Talha, also fell fighting in the same battle. 7. Muhammad, the son of Talha, also fell in the same battle. 8. Abu Bakr's sister, Umme Farwa's daughter, Jo'da Bint Ash'ath poisoned Al‑Hassan, the son of Ali, to death. She was suborned to commit the wickedness by Yazid the son of Mu'awiya or by Mu'awiya himself. 9. Abu Bakr's sister's (Umme Farwa's) son Ishaq, both brothers, the sons of Ash'sth, appeared among the armies of Yazid, fighting against Hussain, the son of Ali, at the Karbala tragedy. Later on, the former was killed fighting against Mukhtār, who was avenging the murder of Hussain; while the latter, who had taken off the dead body of Hussain some of his clothes, was torn to death by dogs. 10. Mos'ab, a son of Zubair, the son‑in‑law of Abu Bakr, fought against Mukhtar, who was killed avenging the murder of Hussain.” [REFERENCE : FATIMA THE GRACIOUS CHAPTER 53] TO READ THIS BOOK CLICK BELOW <a href="http://www.al-islam.org/gracious/">FATIMA THE GRACIOUS