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    kalaam got a reaction from Abul Hussain Hassani in Bidah Of Umar: Punishment For Drinking Wine   
    It was viewed as hadd.
    Again, for the pw, this narration is a shia narration, sahih sanad, present in your book al Kafi
    علي بن إبراهيم، عن محمد بن عيسى، عن يونس، عن أبي بصير، عن أبي عبدالله (عليه السلام) قال: قلت له: كيف كان يجلد رسول الله (صلى الله عليه وآله)؟ قال: فقال: كان يضرب بالنعال و يزيد كلما أتي بالشارب ثم لم يزل الناس يزيدون حتى وقف على ثمانين، أشار بذلك علي (عليه السلام) على عمر فرضي بها
    It is narrated from Abu Basir that he said : I said to to Imam Jafar: How did the Prophet صلى الله عليه وآله strike for wine (drinking)? He said: He would strike by the sandals and increase when he was brought the drinker. Then the people did not cease increasing until he halted that upon eighty. `Ali عليه السلام pointed that out to `Umar, so he was pleased by it.
    So here is a proof from your own book, that the Prophet (saww) didn't halt on forty, but he increased it till he halted on eighty lashes. And Umar (ra) didn't start any bidah and the slanderer will meet Allah with a blackened face inshaAllah for making a false accusation upon one of the noblest of the noble persons, Umar ibn Khattab (ra)
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    kalaam got a reaction from Abul Hussain Hassani in Ayatollah Shaykh Hossein Al-Mo'ed Becomes Sunni   
    The fact is that ahlus sunnah are on the middle path
    they didnt went to the extremes like the nawasib or the rawafidh
    they only point out the flaw in your arguments
    with such arguments, even the prophets can be under the condemnation
    and when we disclose these realities to the nawasib and rawafidh
    the rawafidh call us nawasib and nawasib call us rawafidh
    But we ahlus sunnah are on the middle path
    we neither hate Ali (ra) nor do we make him a god
    From us was Nasai, from us was Abdul aziz
    from us were the defenders of both ahlelbayt and the companions
    We didn't leave ahlelbayt, we didn't leave the sahaba
    And we don't take into consideration the accusations of nawasib wa rawafidh
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    kalaam got a reaction from Abul Hussain Hassani in Ayatollah Shaykh Hossein Al-Mo'ed Becomes Sunni   
    In the historical facts, you will not be able to prove your point that they had hatred for eachother. Believe me. And by the way, when Quran says they had love for eachother, the history books and historical facts lose all their value, if they had any.
    If you tell me that history says sahaba fought eachother, I will say that Moses (as) dragged Aaron (as) from his beard, and this is mentioned in Quran. Now you will reply with explanation to it, so will I reply to the reasons behind why fights occured between sahaba. There are things, which if outwardly seen do sensationalize the topics, but if carefully observed, you will find that the looking at just the outward does mislead people. And this is what happened with the Shias. By the way, I say this was not the only reason why shias were misguided, rather there was a high level of negative thinking involved in it as well, that lead to their misguidance.
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    kalaam got a reaction from igotquestions in New Muslim/sunni Interested In Shiism   
    Wa alaykum assalam. No disrespect for your tutur, but brother the main issue is imamate. Secondly, Fatima (ra) was not alive when Ali (ra) became caliph. Thirdly dear brother, his saying that in the beginning, there was much grey area because Imam Malik studied under Imam Jafar, well that would be so wrong to say. Look, we Sunnis consider Imam Jafar way away from the Shias, rather in our books, he condemned the Shias so many times. For us, Imam Jafar was the major opponent of Shia sect. So don't get confused that if Imam Malik or Imam Abu Hanifa studied under him, it has something to do with Shia thoughts etc. For us, he was our imam just like our other imams some of whom studied under the other and that is it. Shias consider imam Jafar to be their sixth imam, but that shouldn't make you think that the imam jafar according to ahlus sunnah would have been something like the Shias portray him to be.
    As far as matam or mourning is concerned, that is one of the points where Sunnis consider Shia stance to be wrong, but it is a minor issue as compared to the other issues on which we differ.
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    kalaam got a reaction from ateef in Why Are Sunni,s So Anti Shia   
    actually we all are not brothers and sisters in islam. Remember, Shiaism is like poison for Muslims. No one loves to include poison in his body, similarly Muslims are a body, this poison is an outsider. We don't consider it a part of us. We are indeed full of hate for this cult, since we have studied it in detail. Its claim of brotherhood are open fraud, anyhow, I personally don't try to waste time of people if they are in love with Shia Islam. Everyone has his choice, but there will be no choice in hereafter.
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    kalaam reacted to Abul Hussain Hassani in Supposed Declaration On Imam Khomeini.   
    Don't you have Sunni Masajid and homes to destroy or kill Sunni Muslims using electric drills (like you did in Iraq)? Doing these will hasten the appearance of al-Mahdi according to Shia scholars. Why are you wasting your time here ?
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    kalaam got a reaction from Abul Hussain Hassani in Bugdh Of Ibn Taymiyyah   
    He mentioned his view based on the saying of jamhur according to what is mentioned in al bahr, and then went on to discuss the other opinion regarding it.
    And I don't know from where do you consider that his real position is that it is madani, prove it.
    This is absolutely not his view at all.
    This is wrong, since I showed that nine scholars of the past absolutely declared it makki, and it is also mentioned in some books that jamhoor consider it to be makki, so your presenting one side of the argument is highly misleading, and deceptive.
    To say that it is the view of jamhur that the surah is madani is totally wrong, since I showed major mufassireen declaring the surah to be makki. So it would be better to accept the view of what is mentioned in al bahr that jamhur actually considered it to be makki.
    This is totally wrong. It is mentioned in Tafsir Maariful Quran Vol. 8, p. 661, that this surah is makki.
    Sayyid Qutub says in 'fi zilal al Quran'
    في بعض الروايات أن هذه السورة مدنية ، ولكنها مكية؛ ومكيتها ظاهرة جداً
    In some narrations, this surah is declared madani, but it is makki, and it being a makki surah is very obvious.
    And similarly in tafsir tahreer wal tanweer, it is declared makki surah, and Maududi has also declared the surah to be makki.
    So these are the contemporary scholars who declared the surah to be makki, so how do you say majority of sunni scholars today say the surah is madani?
    If you can't differentiate between mistake and lies, than ask me, and I will provide many such lies from the mouth of shia scholars.
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    kalaam got a reaction from Abul Hussain Hassani in Reply To Swords Of Sunnah   
    The 'Shaheed al thani' of the Shias, says in his book Haqaiq ul Iman


    علي ما يظهر من حال رواتهم ومعاصريهم من شيعتهم في أحاديثهم عليهم السلام ، فإن كثيرا منهم ما كانوا يعتقدون عصمتهم لخفائها عليهم ، بل كانوا يعتقدون أنهم علماء أبرار ، يعرف ذلك من تتبع سيرهم وأحاديثهم

    “What is apparent from the condition of their Shia who lived in their time and narrated from them the Ahadeeth may peace be upon them, that majority of them did not believe in their infallibility because it was hidden from them but they used to believe that the Imams were pious obedient scholars, anyone who follows their stories and narrations knows this”
    Haqaiq ul Iman p. 150-151
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    kalaam reacted to Abul Hussain Hassani in Bidah Of Umar: Punishment For Drinking Wine   
    (bismillah)
    (wasalam)
    You have a misconception here. The Prophet (saw) didn't set prescribed form of this punishment.
    During the time of the Prophet (saw) drunkards were sometimes beaten with shoes.
    Bukhari in Sahih, Kitab al-Hudood narrated:
    Narrated ‘Uqba bin Al-Harith: An-Nu’man or the son of An-Nu’man was brought to the Prophet on a charge of drunkenness. So the Prophet ordered all the men present in the house, to beat him. So all of them beat him, and I was also one of them who beat him with shoes.
    Narrated Abu Salama: Abu Huraira said, “A man who drank wine was brought to the Prophet. The Prophet said, ‘Beat him!” Abu Huraira added, “So some of us beat him with our hands, and some with their shoes, and some with their garments (by twisting it) like a lash, and then when we finished, someone said to him, ‘May Allah disgrace you!’ On that the Prophet said, ‘Do not say so, for you are helping Satan to overpower him.’ “
    Now lets read further, Ali (ra) didn't object with the eighty stripes.
    It is mentioned in Sahih Muslim:
    Hudain b. al-Mundhir Abu Sasan reported: I saw that Walid was brought to Uthmin b. ‘Affan as he had prayed two rak’ahs of the dawn prayer, and then he said: I make an increase for you. And two men bore witness against him. One of them was Humran who said that he had drunk wine. The second one gave witness that he had seen him vomiting. Uthman said: He would not have vomited (wine) unless he had drunk it. He said: ‘Ali, stand up and lash him. ‘Ali said: Hasan, stand up and lash him. Thereupon Hasan said: Let him suffer the heat (of Caliphate) who has enjoyed its coolness. (‘Ali felt annoyed at this remark) and he said: ‘Abdullah b. Ja’far, stand up and flog him, and he began to flog him and ‘Ali counted the stripes until these were forty. He (Hadrat ‘Ali) said: Stop now, and then said: Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) gave forty stripes, and Abu Bakr also gave forty stripes, and Umar gave eighty stripes, and all these fall under the category of the Sunnah, but this one (forty stripes) is dearer to me.
    and
    Abu Dawud Book 38, Number 4466:
    Narrated Ali ibn Abi Talib:
    The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) and AbuBakr gave forty lashes for drinking wine and Umar made it eighty. And all this is sunnah, the model and standard practice.
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    kalaam reacted to Vigilare in Uthman Ibn 'amir (Abu Quhafa) - Muslim?   
    Sure, but my point is that shias make a big deal of the accusation he died on kufr but do exactly the same back to sunnis. Can't take the moral highground AND have double standards. As far as I'm concerned, it's not my place to question the imaan of Abu Quhafa, Abu Sufyan et al because if they DID accept Islam then who am i to question that based on polemics?
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    kalaam got a reaction from WilayaBlood in Abdallah Ibn Umar   
    I will look into why Mir Damad said what he said, it doesn't seem like he said it without any reason though. But for the time being, you have a valid point on the issue that the narration is not muttasil.
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    kalaam got a reaction from Vigilare in Abdallah Ibn Umar   
    I will look into why Mir Damad said what he said, it doesn't seem like he said it without any reason though. But for the time being, you have a valid point on the issue that the narration is not muttasil.
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    kalaam got a reaction from The Green Knight in 1400 Years Of Deception - The Two Weighty Things!   
    Lets first talk about it. How have I changed the topic. Bring your proof.
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    kalaam reacted to moosaa14 in Wearing Black & Innovations In Muharram   
    Asalamon alaykom, it is common place to wear black in Muharram - as is putting up black banners and cloths. As far as I know, the Shia Jurists deem wearing black Makrooh, and I have read that the Prophet disliked the wearing of black with the exemption of the turban, the cloak and the shoes. Imam Ali (a) is reported to have said: do not wear black for it is the clothing of Pharaoh. Also it is well know that Bani Abbas wore black and forced it upon the Muslims.
    There are narrations that point out after the martyrdom of Imam Hussein (a) the women of Bani Hashim wore black, but nothing that suggests the men wore black or should wear black. On the contrary, Ahlul Bayt (a) are known for never wearing black except black turbans. Their colors of choice were green, yellow, brown, beige and white. So why do we wear black in Muharram? Is it another habit that became popular and was passed down by culture? It seems to have nothing to do with our great religion or school of thought, so is hitting the heads with blades, beating the backs with chains or walking on burning coal.
    I understand that crying over Imam Hussein (a) is very admirable, recommended and has its rewards - for the Prophet (s) did so himself. Love of Ahlul Bayt (a) is compulsary, but whats with the innovations? I am not against the Majlis as I know the first person to hold a Majlis commemorating Imam Hussein (a) was his son Imam Ali Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã, but did the Imam (a) beat his chest? Did he slap his face or lose control in mourning his own father? Then why is it that some brothers look crazy during Majlis, and whats with this new method of latom called Shoor that comes after the Nazla? Looking after the reputation of Islam is a responsibility, so is spreading the truth and inviting people to it. Are these practices doing any good? Are they helping the cause or doing damage?
    My view is that we should change what we do in Majlis after the lecture, such as reading the Ziyarat, praying, reciting sad Anashid and giving out food. We should also collect money to give to the poor and needy, I think Allah and Ahlul Bayt (a) would like that more than getting sweaty and slapping our chests.
    Wasalam.
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    kalaam got a reaction from Panzerwaffe in Abdallah Ibn Umar   
    The thing I have learnt with the passage of time is, Shias don't have a long time love for anyone except the three i.e Miqdad, Salman, and Abu Dhar رضي الله عنهم اجمعين . You may find some temporary regards for Usama ibn Zayd and Abu Saeed al Khudri رضي الله عنهما but they are condemned in their books as well.
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    kalaam got a reaction from The Green Knight in 1400 Years Of Deception - The Two Weighty Things!   
    Refer back to my previous posts.
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    kalaam got a reaction from The Green Knight in 1400 Years Of Deception - The Two Weighty Things!   
    This is another topic, keep it for some other day please.
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    kalaam reacted to Abul Hussain Hassani in Abdallah Ibn Umar   
    Waleykum Salaam,
    What difference does it make? He is, like other Sahaba, an 'apostate' according to Shia.
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    kalaam got a reaction from Abul Hussain Hassani in Abdallah Ibn Umar   
    The thing I have learnt with the passage of time is, Shias don't have a long time love for anyone except the three i.e Miqdad, Salman, and Abu Dhar رضي الله عنهم اجمعين . You may find some temporary regards for Usama ibn Zayd and Abu Saeed al Khudri رضي الله عنهما but they are condemned in their books as well.
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    kalaam got a reaction from Vigilare in Abdallah Ibn Umar   
    It was ibn Umar رضي الله عنه who stopped his sister أم المومنين Hafsa رضي الله عنها from joining أم المومنين Ayesha رضي الله عنها in her call for Qisas of the Third Righteous Caliph, Uthman ibn Affan رضي الله عنه when the movement decided they should move first to Basra rather than going straight to Madinah.
    (see al bidayah wal nihaya by Hafidh ibn Kathir)
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    kalaam got a reaction from Panzerwaffe in Abdallah Ibn Umar   
    It was ibn Umar رضي الله عنه who stopped his sister أم المومنين Hafsa رضي الله عنها from joining أم المومنين Ayesha رضي الله عنها in her call for Qisas of the Third Righteous Caliph, Uthman ibn Affan رضي الله عنه when the movement decided they should move first to Basra rather than going straight to Madinah.
    (see al bidayah wal nihaya by Hafidh ibn Kathir)
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    kalaam reacted to Abul Hussain Hassani in Looking To Buy Al Kafi 1-8   
    Al-Kafi in English? wow are shias really taking this risk?
    .
    Please inform me when it becomes available.
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    kalaam reacted to Abul Hussain Hassani in Debate Between Ayatoallah Ghazvini And Muradzehi   
    Can you also please translate the five hour debate he had on al-mustakila tv about this issue.
    Here are the videos:
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    kalaam got a reaction from Blacknight in 1400 Years Of Deception - The Two Weighty Things!   
    He was a great thinker as well, he mentions that people will say why has the caliph added this mansookh ut tilawah verse in the Quran, that is why he is not including this verse in the Quran, otherwise the verse is so important that it does need a writing down inside the Quran, and exactly what he feared has happened, who can deny it?People are against stoning and saying this is not mentioned in Quran. Isn't it so? And he is clearly giving the indication that the verse is mansookh ut tilawah, but it needs some brain to understand it.
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    kalaam got a reaction from Blacknight in 1400 Years Of Deception - The Two Weighty Things!   
    The two weighty things, the weightier of which was considered corrupt by many grand scholars of Shia.
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