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  1. Salam to all honorable members of the forum. I have seen many narrations and sermon of Nahjul balagha in condemnation of women. Obviously those narrations don't mean women in general are to be condemned. Those narrations condemn women like Aisha. Nevertheless, please post reports of imams especially imam ali praising women because I have been searching a lot but failed to find any narration of imam Ali praising women. Therefore, kindly post such narrations here. Thank you. May Allah give you Ajar.


    @Qa'im @Cake 

  2. 2 minutes ago, 000 said:


    Imam Ali [as] said:

    Verily, some people worshipped Allah being desirous (Of His reward) – so this is the worship of traders;

    and some people worshipped Allah fearing (His punishment) – so it is the worship of slaves,

    and a group worshipped Allah in gratitude (to Him) so this is the worship of the free. (

    Nahju ‘I-balaghah)

    Avicenna states: "The knower seeks the First Truth not for anything other than itself, and prefers nothing other than knowledge and worship of it alone.This is because the First Truth merits worship and because worship is a noble relation to it and not because of desire or fear. If desire or fear were present, the desired object or the feared object would be the motive, and the object of the search.The Truth then would not be the end, but a means to something other than it, this something being the end and the object of the search, to the exclusion of the Truth"[Isharat wal tanbihat,namat#9,bab#5]


    Explanation: Avicenna identifies three distinct kinds of worship and consequently three distinct kinds of worshipers; first there are those who worship God because of the desire for the attainment of the eternal pleasures of paradise, where they use worship as a means to an end, that end being Paradise itself; the next category of worshipers consists of those who worship the divine out of fear for the eternal hell-fire. Here also the divine is not sought as an end but only as a means to something else, that something being the avoidance of hell; and the last group consists of those who worship or adore the Necessary Being not as a means to an end but because they deem him worthy of admiration, adoration and worship; they seek the Face of the Divine because of what the Divine is Itself and not due to some object other than the divine. This Avicennan classification is absolutely identical to the exposition on the degrees of worshipers laid down by Imam Ali (عليه السلام).

  3. 15 minutes ago, dragonxx said:

    echoing some of the posts above with more simplistic examples...

    technically, we don't know whether or not there was a test previously, do we?


    we do know. After giving it much thought, I have concluded there is another way we can tackle this question. Every soul was tested first in Alam Al-Dhar. Our Hadith say our Prophet was the first one to acknowledge and recognize God in Alam Al-Dhar. Therefore, we can deduce that the reason why he was bestowed with the rank of Imamah and Prophethood is the very fact that he (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) was the first one to recognize his Lord. 


    Muhammad Bin Yahya, from Muhammad Bin Al Husayn, from Ali Bin Ismail, from Muhammad Bin Ismail, from Sa’dan Bin Muslim, from Salih Bin Sahl, (It has been narrated) from Abu Abdullah(عليه السلام) having said:

    ‘Rasool-Allah(صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) was asked, ‘By which thing do you precede the children of Adam?’ He(صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) said:

    ‘I was the first one to acknowledge my Lord. Allah took the Covenant of the Prophets [7:172] and made them testify against themselves: Am I not your Lord? They said: Yes! So I was the first one to answer’.

    what do you think of this approach? 

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    He actually has chosen you and I (as individuals) don’t believe it to be true.  If you and I really know ourselves (by transcending our individuality) we would not see our reality as separate from the reality of the Prophet (S).  But it is our own limiting beliefs of ourselves, our limiting belief of our true nature that we condemn ourselves to whatever we ordinarily think of ourselves to be.   The Prophet’s (S) reality is not a person (he is a reality that transcends individuality).  

    Ahsant Akhi! The example of Salman Farsi comes into mind. Salman is an epitome of a spiritual adept who transcended to his true nature I.e. attaining theosis by bathing himself in the love of Ahlay bait (عليه السلام). This is the reason Imam (عليه السلام) said "Salman is from us". The example Salman is worth contemplating upon for every person who has the will to transform spiritually 

  5. Let me elaborate his stance

    1- The wisdom behind the immaculate nature of prophethood and imamate is not under question. The question is why certain people were conferred upon the honor of being an Imam and Prophet. why there was no test carried out to assess which soul is eligible for being a Prophet or an Imam?

    2- why God bestows greatness upon some people without their test and bestows greatness upon other people after testing them (spritual greatness such as infallibility)?

    3- Let us contemplate on a hypothetical example, there are two persons , one is born with a silver spoon in his mouth while other person is born into a poor family but by working very hard he becomes a wealthy person. who is a better role model between these two individuals? One who was simply born with a silver spoon in his mouth or the person who didn't succumb before adverse circumstances and changed his state by perseverance and sturdy willpower. who is a better person to emulate in this context? Of course it is the latter person. Likewise the question is , why individuals who defeats their evil intentions are not greater than Imams or Prophets because they struggled to defeat the evil intentions because they were not bestowed with infallibility ?



    God gives different abilities and traits to creation. Some humans are gifted with more strength and intelligence than others. Some are born into into poverty and others not. Animals are not given the same faculties as humans. Are these all unjust? Or perhaps there is wisdom behind this. 

    This is what I am trying to decipher I.e. the wisdom behind this. Your point is very logical and it clicks to the mind. 



     It would be unjust if God didn’t provide us Prophets and Imams who were absolutely qualified for their mission.

    Agreed, this point also sounds rational but there is one thing point which has not been addressed yet why an individual in present times cannot become an Imam or Prophet by his spiritual struggle ?

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    He didn't need to. He knows exactly all about everyone's abilities and character.

    This answer creates more problems then it actually solves. God is acquainted with the actions of each and every soul since the beginning then why was it necessary to create the spatio-temporal material world and test people? why He didn't throw them into hell and heaven without taking their test or creating this material world? 


    Because He knew from His unique knowledge that you are not worth it.

    Atheist will use the same logic and will argue that it defeats the purpose of the creation of this universe. 



     Like everyone else, they were given the choice to do as they liked and they chose to do God's Will.

    weren't they infallible since their birth? is not a Prophet or Imam a Divine Guide since his birth? why deprive other person from this rank? 

  8. Aslamoalaykum to all the venerable brothers and sisters. It has been quite a time since I have benefited from the wisdom of this forum.

    Venerable fellows, today an atheist adduced some questions and I was not able to articulate my answers to those questions effectively. Therefore, if any brother or sister can provide a bit comprehensive answer to his question then I shall be very grateful.

    " How God is not an unjust? As He has appointed and elevated certain individuals over rest of the creations according to His own will. why He did not test those individuals prior to making them Imams and Prophets? If God was Just then He must have taken the test of everyone before giving any person the status of Imam and Prophet but He didn't. How does that not refute His justness? why He did not make me an Imam what was my fault? To me it is an act of absolute injustice and why should we call any Prophet or Imam great because God made him intrinsically great unlike us? Prophet or Imam didn't achieve greatness rather they were born into it then how can they be called as great people? ."

    How to answer this question ? Thanking you in advance

    @Qa'im  @SoRoUsH  @Intellectual Resistance  @Sumerian

  9. On 9/10/2019 at 2:03 PM, ShiaMan14 said:

    I just re-confirmes that the color of the cloth draping the Kaaba is...BLACK!!!

    This is not a valid argument. In present days, Kabah is in the custody of Yazeedis. They opting the black cloth for Kabaa in no manner validates Black dresses. Most probable, Imam Mehdi (عليه السلام) will change the color of Kaba's cloth. It is because our Aimma(عليه السلام) despised black dresses rather their favorite color was white. There are Ahadith in condemnation of Black dresses but not a single one that encourages black dresses 

  10. On 9/10/2019 at 5:50 PM, Simon the Canaanite said:

    In a ḥādiṯh from Biḥār ʾal-Anwar (volume 45, page 188), narrated from ʾal-Maḥāsin, that the women of Bani Hāshim wore black after the death of ʾal-Imām ʾal-Ḥusāyn.

     الْمَحَاسِنُ: الْحَسَنُ بْنُ ظَرِيفٍ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ، عَنِ الْحُسَيْنُ بْنُ زَيْدٍ، عَنْ عُمَرُ بْنُ عَلِيِّ بْنِ الْحُسَيْنِ قَالَ: لَمَّا قُتِلَ الْحُسَيْنُ بْنُ عَلِيٍّ صَلَوَاتُ اللَّهِ عَلَيْهِ لَبِسَ نِسَاءُ بَنِي هَاشِمٍ الْسَّوَادَ وَالْمُسُوحَ، وَكُنَّ لَا يَشْتَكِينَ مِنْ حَرٍّ وَلَا بَرْدٍ، وَكَانَ عَلِيُّ بْنُ الْحُسَيْنِ يَعْمَلُ لَهُنَّ الْطَّعَامَ لِلمَأْتمِ


    Random women are no Hujjah on us. Only the words of Aimah (عليه السلام) are binding. There are Ahadith on condemnation of Black dresses but not a single one that encourages Black dresses. 

  11. Is the following Hadith talking about electing a Divine leader or any leader? @Cake @Ibn Al-Ja'abi

    Imam Mahdi ((عليه السلام).), when Sa’d b. ‘Abdillah al-Qummi asked him the reason why people cannot elect an Imam for themselves, replied, ‘Would he be a righteous man or a corrupt man?’ I said, ‘Righteous.’ He said, ‘Is it possible that the selected individual be actually corrupt, for no one really knows what passes through another’s mind, in terms of their righteousness or corruption?’ I said, ‘Yes’. He said, ‘That is the reason why.’[Nur al-Thaqalayn, v. 2, p. 76, no. 283]


  12. 7 hours ago, Mohammadi_follower said:

    Salam could you give references about the fact that only Imams could execute apostates ? I thought that during occultation religious scholars had the power to implement huddud also.

    Shaykh Tusi wrote: "With regard to the implementation of border penalties (Hudud), its implementation is not allowed except the God-appointed rulers of the time or that which the Imam to appointed to carry it out." [An -Nihayah, page 300 ]

    قال شيخ الطائفة الطوسي رضي الله عنه: فأما إقامة الحدود, فليس يجوز لأحد إقامتها إلا لسلطان الزمان المنصوب من قبل الله تعالى أو من نصبه الإمام لإقامتها

  13. 4 hours ago, Mahdavist said:

    I abstain from voting altogether because I can never endorse or support something that is not purely Islamic and this can only be guaranteed by an infallible Imam.

    Wallahu a'lam 

    No system can be purely Islamic in the absence of an Infallible Imam be it democracy , autocracy or monarchy . Let us suppose I live in India . So can I vote for Congress in order to stop BJP from coming into power because they are oppressive toward Muslim community provided the fact that the policies of Congress itself are also not Islamic ?

  14. 1 hour ago, notme said:

    So then what? Anarchy? That is unsustainable. 

    If the people don't at least try to choose who will serve as government, tyrants and kings will take over. 

    We know it will be imperfect - actually very, very far from perfect - but we have to try. 

    I agree completely with whatever you are saying but I am seeking the context and understanding of the Ahadith which say that fallibles are not allowed to form any government. Some Akhbari people say if we fallible people will form any government then we are no different than Abu bakar and Umar who were the first to deny infallible rulership and were the first to lay the foundation of fallible leadership through vote of masses. 

  15. :bismillah:


    I have come across a debate between some Shias recently. Most of them were  usooli. However, there were some who belonged to Akhbari school of thought. Akhbari community claimed that voting in a democratic system is tantamount to shirk. Usooli community didn't concur with this narrative. Nevertheless, usooli community failed to defend their stance in my opinion. I believe they could have adduced better arguments but they couldn't and many arguments of the Akhbari community were left unanswered. Equating voting to shirk is something very very odd to me. I believe it is a very regressive approach. No rational person will agree with this stance in my opinion. To this reason, I am putting forward the main arguments of Akhbari community that were left unanswered. I hope knowledgeable brothers and sisters will clarify this issue in detail. Following are the main points of their arguments.

    1- Voting in a democratic country and allowing a person to rule over you is shirk. It is because according to Shia school of thought only God has the right to choose a leader and a leader is Divinely appointed. People have no right to choose a leader for them. Role of an Imam and a President is same I.e. to rule over people. Only the titles are different. How it is different from the incident of saqifah where people denied rulership of a Divinely Appointed Imam and selected a fallible leader for themselves by themselves.

    2- l-Fudail reported that Imam As-Sadiq (a.) said, "He who claims leadership even though he is not one of its owners is an infidel." [Al-Kafi of Al-Kulaini, Volume 1 Page 372 Hadith 2]

    3-Sawrah Ibn Kulaib reported that he asked Imam Al-Baqir (a.) about the verse: "And on the Day of Resurrection you see the faces of those who lied against God turning black. Is there not in hell a abode for the arrogant?" (39:60) He said: "He who says, "I am an Imam". And he is not an Imam." I said: "Even if he is a descendant of Ali (a.)". He said: "Even if he is a descendant of Ali (a.)". I said: "Even if he is a son of Ali Ibn Abi Talib (a.)". He said: "Even if he is." [Al-Kafi of Al-Kulaini, volume 1 page 372 Hadith 1]

    4- In Wasail ul Shia there are traditions which say that Government is only for a Divinely Appointed Imam. Therefore, by voting you and electing a fallible leadership you are going against the teaching of Imams.

    5- A Shia should only vote if government of the area uses oppression and forces people to vote otherwise it is shirk.

    6- No Hadith or Verse of Qur'an says that we are obligated to obey the Laws of Land. 


    @Qa'im @SoRoUsH @Ibn al-Hussain


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    the understanding of the concept of shirk vs tawheed is much deeper than the common understanding of associating partners or associates with God... indirectly every sin and evil involves an element of shirk and is based on shirk and true tawheed is the prevention of it. God forbids evil and permits Good things hence all forbidden acts are evil and since there is a direct relation between committing evil and shirk then this means God has installed a system that prevents all evil. example selfishness, love of dunya , following the desire , as the philosophers said the love of dunya is the root of evils and in this case the dunya is the shareek ( associate ) with God which took precedence . same with loving the self on the cost of gods law which causes all conflicts in the world like racism supremacy ideology etc the other aspect is the Truth and its importance as lie and hiding the truth (KUFR) is the root of all evil then the cause of all causes has no equivalent so making his creations equivalents to him is going against the truth and this is important too

    so basically tawheed is a key to a complete system with an objective truth and not only a philosophy but it is reflected on defining moral code and law in life in the form of worships and transactions in life. When a criminal commits a big crime for sure he is a mushrik regardless of what he claims because he gave precedence to his own desire over Gods law,

    Copied , This is the answer I was looking for. 

  17. 1 minute ago, S.M.H.A. said:

    Fine, you made this decision . You were given an option to have a proper conversation. 

    You may assume whatever you want but I am not going to respond you from now onward. No offence brother , but this isn't helping. May Ali (as) bless you . 

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