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salamu `alaykum I pray you are well. On the website, look at the top right corner and you'll see a link "Endorse". This is not being endorsed because of King `Abd Allah but because the inheritors of the Prophet (Allah bless him and grant him peace) had a considerable role in formulating it. It is a very positive step towards ridding the "takfiri" attitude that is so prevalent amongst certain segments of the community. With prayers Wasalam salman

salamu `alaykum I pray everyone is well and in the best of health. May Allah grant us all good in this life and the next. I would encourage all the members of this forum to endorse "The Amman Message" (www.ammanmessage.com), a three point message that stresses tolerance and the impermissibility of declaring any valid Muslim group as out of the fold of Islam. Just go to the website and see what it's about. To endorse it, click on "Endorse" on the top right corner of the website. It has been signed by a large number of Sunni, Shi`a (zaydi an ithna asheri), and Ibadi scholars and was released only after due consultation with them. It would be nice of `Ali or someone could make this a sticky and spread the word on Shiachat. With prayers for your success Wasalam Salman

Sallamu Alaikum Whole Sunni school sis. Imam Ahmad himself wrote in his Fadhail As sahaba: فضائل معاوية بن أبي سفيان رضى الله تعالى عنهما He uses the word "Huma" which is 3rd person dual, meaning "Them both" i.e Muawiya and Abu Sufyan, since they were both Sahaba. Dear sis i have told you this before, but there is no "official Deoband position." Why? Because Deoband is only a School where people come out of, some have one opinion and others have another. I have already clarified my position and the position i was taught before. You mean Amr (commonly known as) Bin Al Aas. فضائل عمرو بن العاص رضى الله تعالى عنه [ 1742 ] حدثنا عبد الله قال حدثني أبي قثنا عبد الرحمن بن مهدي قثنا نافع بن عمر عن بن أبي مليكة قال قال طلحة بن عبيد الله لا أحدث عن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم شيئا إلا أني سمعته يقول أن عمرو بن العاص من صالح قريش [ 1743 ] قال وزاد عبد الجبار بن ورد عن بن أبي مليكة عن طلحة قال ونعم أهل البيت عبد الله وأبو عبد الله وأم عبد الله [ 1744 ] حدثنا عبد الله قال حدثني أبي قثنا عبد الله بن يزيد قال نا بن لهيعة قال نا مشرح بن هاعان قال سمعت عقبة بن عامر يقول سمعت رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم يقول أسلم الناس وآمن عمرو بن العاص [ 1745 ] حدثنا عبد الله قال حدثني أبي قثنا وكيع قثنا موسى بن علي بن رباح عن أبيه قال سمعت عمرو بن العاص يقول قال لي رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم يا عمرو أشدد عليك سلاحك وثيابك وائتني ففعلت فجئته وهو يتوضأ فصعد في البصر وصوبه وقال يا عمرو إني أريد أن أبعثك وجها فيسلمك الله ويغنمك أرغب لك من المال رغبة صالحة قال قلت يا رسول الله إني لم أسلم رغبة في المال إنما أسلمت رغبة في الجهاد والكينونة معك قال يا عمرو نعما بالمال الصالح للمرء الصالح [ 1746 ] حدثنا عبد الله قال حدثني أبي قثنا يحيى بن إسحاق قال أنا بن لهيعة والحسن بن موسى قثنا بن لهيعة قال نا يزيد بن أبي حبيب عن سعيد بن أبي هلال عن المطلب بن عبد الله بن حنطب قال قال النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم نعم أهل البيت عبد الله وأبو عبد الله وأم عبد الله [ 1747 ] حدثنا عبد الله قثنا أبي قثنا وكيع قثنا نافع بن عمرو عبد الجبار بن ورد عن بن أبي مليكة قال قال طلحة بن عبيد الله سمعت رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم يقول نعم أهل البيت عبد الله وأبو عبد الله وأم عبد الله (Fadhail As Sahaba Vol 2) Sallam sis. Sis who said this is Ummayad Propoganda? Our Imams passed through the Ummayad Propoganda aswell as the Abbassid one untouched in their beliefs. I do not claim [edit] Wallahu A'lam [Mods note : BANNED for Praising Muawiya]

Sallamu Alaikum al nasu `iyalun `ala abi hanifa fi al fiqh = people (scholars) are all the dependents of Abu Hanifa in fiqh. Dhahabi relates it in Tadhkirat Al huffaz in the chapter on Abu Hanifa. I had typed up a Biography of Imam Abu Hanifa Recently. Here are some Qutes from it: a. Abu Jafar Muhammad ibn Ali ibn Hussain ibn Fatima Bint Prophet Muhammad: Abu Jafar Muhammad ibn Ali the great grandson of the Prophet Muhammad (Allah Bless him and grant him peace) said: How commendable are Abu Hanifas manners and how sublime is his skill in Fiqh! b. Imam Malik ibn Anas ibn Malik The founder of the Maliki school of thought, Imam Malik is reported to have said when asked about Imam Abu Hanifa: Yes, I saw him and I saw him to be a man of such caliber that if he claims that this pillar of wood is made of gold he will prove it to you! c. Imam Shafi Al Hashmi The founder of the Shafi school of thought, Imam Shafi is reported to have said: The person who wishes to excel in Fiqh is bound to be in need of Imam Abu Hanifa. He was a person who was divinely guided with Fiqh by Allah. I have not seen a greater Faqih then him. d. Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal The founder of the Hanabli school of thought, Imam Ahmad is reported to have said: In terms of Ilm, piety, abstinence from this dunya and preference of the hereafter, Abu Hanifa occupied such a lofty position that no one else could reach. May Allah shower his mercy on him!

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Sallamu Alaikum I would le tmy 8 year old bro read that. Mind pointing out whats wrong? Or is this another diversion from the topic?

Sallamu Alaikum They cannot be termed as lies, nor did i claim they were lies. However, what we do know is that Imam Ibn Hajar, Suyuti and Ibn Kathir accepted all the hadith in Bukhari and Muslim as Sahih, regardless of whether they questioned some aspects of the hadith, the quotes never say they actually rejected it and nor did they weaken the hadith. Secondly, they go onto cite criticism of Imam Bukharis Tarikh. I have no idea how this book is even remotely linked to the topic. And LAstly regarding the narrators, then i have already pointed out that none of the Criticism reaches the level that would make the hadith Weak. As i said before. Suyuti quotes in detail - mostly from Hady al Sari - the refutations of Ibn Hajar to Daraqutni's criticism, showing that, in effect, the latter fails to invalidate the view of the Sahihayn as 100% sahih. The hadith in the two are all Sahih, but not all of them reach the same high degree of Sahih. This is in essence what Dhahabi said in al Muqiza concerning the few narrators of the Sahihayn whose grading was questioned: -- The narration of one such as those, does not go below the rank of hasan which we might call the lowest rank of the Sahih. Wallahu A'lam

Sallamu Alaikum To many errors which i cannot go through. However, i will point out the opinion of the Ulema regarding the Sahihs. The above i believe is taken from a book called "Traditional Schoalrship And Modern Misuderstanding" by Abu Ammar ( ? ) which i read a while back. Anyway, Al Nawawi in his introduction to Sharh Sahih Muslim (1:20): -- innama yaftariqu al sahihan `an ghayrihima min al kutub fi kawni ma fihima sahihan la yahtaju ila al nazari fih. "The two Sahihs differ from all other books only in respect to the fact that what is in them is sahih and does not require investigation." Ibn al Salah said in `Ulum al Hadith, chapter on the Sahih Hadith (Dar Al Fikr ed. pg. 29): -- ma infarada bihi Bukhari aw Muslimun mundarijun fi qabili ma yuqta`u bi sihhatihi... siwa ahrufin yasiratin takallama `alayha ba`du ahli al naqdi min al huffaz kal Daraqutni wa ghayrih, wa hiya ma`rufatun `inda ahli hadha al sha'n. "Whatever only Bukhari or only Muslim narrates enters into the category of what is definitely sahih... except a few letters which some of the expert critics objected to, such as al-Daraqutni and others - and these are known to the specialists." He said this after stating that what they agree upon is definitely sahih for the Umma. In his Taqrib and Sharh Sahih Muslim (1:20), Imam Nawawi objected to the terms "definitely sahih" (maqtu`un bi sihhatihi) while granting all that is in the Sahihayn the level of "strongly presumed (sahih) until it becomes mutawatir" (yufidu al zanna ma lam yatawatar) as is the rule with all sahih lone narrated (ahad) hadiths. But Ibn Kathir said in his chapter on the Sahih Hadith of his al Ba`ith Al Hathith: -- I am with Ibn al-Salah in his conclusion and directives, and Allah knows best. This is because of the standing of the two Sahihs in the Umma. For none of the past Imams in all Islam ever declared explicitly and rightly that all they had gathered in their respective books was sahih except Bukhari and Muslim, and the verifying experts have confirmed this claim. Suyuti also goes on to quote in detail - mostly from Hady al Sari - the refutations of Ibn Hajar to Daraqutni's criticism, showing that, in effect, the latter fails to invalidate the view of the Sahihayn as 100% sahih. The hadith in the two are all Sahih, but not all of them reach the same high degree of Sahih. This is in essence what Dhahabi said in al Muqiza concerning the few narrators of the Sahihayn whose grading was questioned: -- The narration of one such as those, does not go below the rank of hasan which we might call the lowest rank of the Sahih. So all those mentioned above - Ibn Al Salah, Nawawi, Dhahabi, Ibn Kathir, Ibn Hajar, Suyuti - agreed on the fact that all of what is in al-Bukhari and Muslim is Sahih, and the Muhaqqiqun such as Ibn Al Salah, Ibn Kathir, Ibn Hajar, and Suyuti, consider all the hadiths contained in them "qat`i al sihha" i.e. of the same probative force as mutawatir hadith. Further examination of the positions of the hadith masters might add more names to this distinguished list but this is a start. Wallahu A'lam

Sallamu Alaikum No offense to you Akhi, but this is a ridiculous claim. I have the History of Tabari in Arabic, English aswell as Urdu, i have not seen any sort of "Abridged Shia versions" or "Insertions." Regardless to say, what many people dont get, and what i have stressed repeatedly on this board, is that Imam Tabaris history is an Annal which basically means he gathers many sources and many different narrations for certain events, some which are contradictory. He further provides the Sanad so these sources can be authenticated by the reader. Wallahu A'lam

Yeah, that'll do loads of good showing that Islam doesn't discriminate against women. :rolleyes: I'll bet that came from an Abu Hurairah hadith. Sallam I can see i had made some erroneous claims, Praise be to Allah who increased my knowledge. As for the touching of the female, it is only touching of one who is not your Mahram. The word used in the verse: "Or if you touched women" is Lam and some of the Ulema have stated that Lam can refer to touching with ones hand. There are two more verses in the Qur'an using the form lamasa, which also means to touch; one of them is clearly a reference to physical touch, (6:7), but the other (72:8) means to "stretch towards" or "reach." Lastly the Hadith is not from Abu Hur but of Malik ibn Shahab - Salim bin Abdullah bin Umar - his father who said: مالك عن ابن شهاب عن سالم بن عبد الله بن عمر عن أبيه قال :" قبلة الرجل امرأته وجسها بيده من الملامسة , فمن قبل امرأته أو جسها بيده فعليه الوضوء ". وهذا إسناد في نهاية من الصحة كما تراه -- A mans kissing his wife or touching her with his hand are both considered touch (mulamasa). Therefore, whoever kisses his wife or touches her with his hand, should make wudu.

Sallamu Alaikum To the Brother inquiring about Sahih Muslim and others. Note that the hadith that you stated about Abu bakr being the Pillar and so forth is not found in any of the 6 Sahihs. Further, regarding Allahs leg they are metaphors. One cannot blame them for being present in hadith when they are present in the Quran.

Sallam Infact Shaikh Saduq also mentioned 2 types of taqlids, One Halal and one Haram. Ill try to get the exact quote.