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Dagga

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  1. Salafi/ Sufi/ Wahabi are not Sunni, Sunni has no sects, where the hell are you seeing the contradictions?!
  2. @ Just the truth Think of it this way, Imamate is an usool o deen, SO IMPORTANT that it has to be put up there with Tawheed & Prophethood,yet we never ever find any references to succession of the Prophet SAW in the Quran. If you gave an arabic speaking and understanding english man (completely unbiased) the Quran and asked him to go through it and bring out what a Muslim needs to believe in, is there any chance he will come up with Imamate? I don't think so.
  3. Thousands are becoming Shia? brother don't make me laugh and try bring in numbers, there are around 1.6/7 billion Sunnis whereas only around 90 million shias, Allahu Akbar, we can see who Allah's hand of protection is over!
  4. LOOOOL its so sad to see shias arguing amongst themselves about Sunni beliefs.
  5. You have failed to make any references of succession to Muhammad SAW in the Qur'an, the concept of Ali KAW and the latter 10 imams (12th is non existent) authority of succession is nowhere found in the Qur'an, the challenge has been failed.
  6. What are you talking about?! Please read the following carefully... O wives of the Prophet! you are not like any other of the women; If you will be on your guard, then be not soft in (your) speech, lest he in whose heart is a disease yearn; and speak a good word. And stay in your houses and do not display your finery like the displaying of the ignorance of yore; and keep up prayer, and pay the poor-rate, and obey Allah and His Apostle. Allah only desires to keep away the uncleanness from you, O people of the House! and to purify you a (thorough) purifying.[Quran 33:32-33] Don't ever try take a verse out of context, these are Allah's words.
  7. Google it please, I haven't got time, wahabis/salafis/sufis are not Sunni, they may claim to be just because no one would look at them If they called themselves wahabi/salafi/sufi but since Sunnis are around 90 % of the muslim population they like to blend in.
  8. If this hadith is in fact saheeh and true, this is my explanation. You have clearly misunderstood the hadith, he is saying there will be 73 sects of Islam, Sunni is ONE, that makes 72 other sects, evidently there is ATLEAST 30 sects of shias (Allah knows if this is all there is there's probably even more), that leaves 42 other sects, there's salafi, wahabi, Sufi, lahore ahmadiyya and qadiani ahmadiyya, that leaves 37 other sects, ill get back to you if I read of any more. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying Shias are not Muslim, they are. Just realised I included fathites twice in my above post unintentionally, there is atleast 30 not 31.
  9. Al MuHammadee, I feel so sorry for you, your life is so sad, you are immensely wrapped around the veil that Shaytan has put you under and you will not see anything except what you wanted to see. Firstly, Shia means group or sect, what is the plural of sect? sects, what is sects in arabic? Shia'an. You are Shi'a. Secondly, please read the following. One would notice that Pickthall has translated the word "Imaam" as"record" (of deeds), whereas Yusuf Ali has left this word non-translated and given his comments. However, upon reading the ENTIRE VERSE, the true meaning of this word "Imaam" as the "record of deeds" is very clear and needs no further comments. Secondly, there are many human beings upon this earth (e.g. Atheists), who have no "Leaders", whereas the verse specifically relates to **all human beings**. However, the deeds of all human beings are recorded as mentioned in verse 36:12 of the Holy Qur'an, quoted below. One may also notice that Yusuf Ali has translated below the same word "Imaam" as the "Book of (recorded) evidence". This verse 36:12 compliments verse 17:71. I hope that answers the Rebuttal of the Shi'a scholar. No you do not follow Ahl al Bayt, you follow the prophet, he is the messenger of Allah and the one Allah sent down to guide us. "Majority of Muslims" is very clear, Shi'as form around 8% of the total Muslim Population and Sunnis form 90%. I said AROUND 40 sects, anyways heres 21 extinct Shia sects. Ghulat Shia sects Bazighiyya- who believed that Ja'far al-Sadiq was God. Dhammiyya- who believed that Ali was God and Muhammad was his appointed Messenger and Prophet. Ghurabiyya- who believed the angel Gabriel was mistaken when passing on the prophecy to Muhammad instead of Ali. Ya’furiyya- who believed in reincarnation and that a man named Mu’ammar al-Kufi was their Lord. [edit]Ismā'īlī Shia sects Hafizi- who believed the ruler of the Fatimid Empire, Al-Hafiz, was also the Imam of the Time. Qarmatians- who believed in a world view where every phenomenon repeated itself in cycles, where every incident was replayed over and over again. Sevener- who believed Muħammad ibn Ismā'īl al-Maktum, the son of Ismā'īl ibn Jaʻfar al-Sadiq, would return as the Mahdi. [edit]Zaydi Shia sects Dukayniyya- who believed Muhammad’s followers fell into unbelief after his death because they did not uphold the Imamate of Ali. Jarudiyya- who believed the companions were sinful in failing to recognise Ali as the legitimate Caliph. They became extinct in Iran and Iraq but still survive in Yemen under the Hadawi sub-sect. Khalafiyya- who believed in a unique line of Imams after Zayd ibn Ali ibn Husayn ibn Ali, starting with a man named Abd al-Samad and continuing with his descendants. Khashabiyya- who believed that the Imamate must remain only among the descendents of Hasan and Husayn, even if that Imam is ignorant, immoral and tyrannical. Tabiriyya/Butriyya/Salihiyya- who believed the companions, including Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman, had been in error in failing to follow Ali, but it did not amount to sin. [edit]Uncategorised Shia sects Fathites- who believed Abdullah al-Aftah was the succeeding Imam after his father Ja'far al-Sadiq's death. Hurufites, who believed God is incarnated in every atom. Kaysanites- who believed in the Imamate of Muhammad ibn al-Hanafiyyah after the death of Husayn ibn Ali ibn Abi Talib. Khurramites- who believed that the spirit of God had existed in Muhammad, Alī and Abu Muslim Khorasani. Muhammadites- who believed that Muhammad ibn Ali al-Hadi was the true 11th Imam, rather than Hasan al-Askari. Nuqtavites- who believed in a cyclical view of time, reminiscent of the Isma'ili Shia. Soldiers of Heaven- who believed that their former leader Dia Abdul Zahra Kadim (died 2007 CE) was the Mahdi and reincarnation of Ali ibn Abi Talib. Tawussites- who believed that Ja'far al-Sadiq was the Mahdi and that he was alive and did not die. Waqifites- who believed in the Imamate of Musa al-Kadhim but refused to accept the Imamate of his successor Ali ar-Ridha. And heres 9 more that exist today A Alawi D Dawoodi Bohra Druze F Fathite K Khalafiyya Shia M Musha'sha'iyyah N Nizari R Rawendis S Safaviyya And lets not forget the twelver shias! thats 31 sects, WOW.
  10. So the shias are unfaithful? these are MADHABS, schools of though! NO CORE ISLAMIC BELIEF CHANGES WITHIN SUNNI ISLAM, THERE ARE NO SECTS, ALL THE ARTICLES OF FAITH ARE THE SAME, OPEN YOUR EYES. 1. Tawheed 2. Angels 3. Prophethood 4. Scriptures 5. Resurrection 6. Predestination There are SO MANY sects of Shia Islam, with their OWN IMAMS! There is a sect of Shias that claim Jibreel made a mistake in delivering the revelation to Muhammad SAW and shouldve done so to Ali. I respect what you said here, Brother, by Allah there is no sects in Sunni Islam we all follow the exact same articles of faith and all have the same pillars of Islam and we agree with the same 4 rightly guided caliphs and piousness of the grandchildren of the Prophet SAW and we love the Prophet's companions and his wives and his family. For us, Islam is based on love, for Shias it is based on hatred. Im pretty sure you're aware of Nahjul Balagha? it is the renowned compilation of the sermons by Ali KAW. Lets take a look at sermon 126 and give me your opinion on it. "With regard to me, two categories of people will be ruined, namely he who loves me too much and the love takes him away from rightfulness, and he who hates me too much and the hatred takes him away from rightfulness. The best man with regard to me is he who is on the middle course. So be with him and be with the great majority (of Muslims) because Allah's hand (of protection) is on keeping unity. You should beware of division because the one isolated from the group is (a prey) to Satan just as the one isolated from the flock of sheep is (a prey) to the wolf." This is from Ali himself. I hope that Allah guides you and helps you in seeing the actual truth.
  11. Question to Shi'as can you criticize any Sunni belief or practises and not the Hadiths? 60% of the Bukhari of Shi'ism is full of shirk anyway (Al Kafi).
  12. Your mentality is actually so disturbing and STUPID. When Americans call us Terrorists do they say Sunnis are terrorists or Muslims are terrorists? You may think we are terrorists but fair enough, atleast the disgusting backstabbing trait does not run in our bloods, how amusing you claim to love ahlul bayt and the death of Hussein R.A is on your hands this is the reason why Shias are cutting their heads open, whipping themselves senseless and walking on fire?!> The fact that you think Salafis are Sunni is sad in itself.
  13. And We made from among them leaders guiding by Our command when they were patient and [when] they were certain of Our signs. (Quran 32:24) OUR COMMAND, that refers to prophets explicitly, and btw the translation I gave was on point. The true path is that who follow the QURAN and the PROPHET. If Shias did not abandon him, it is logical to believe Hussein's army would have been victorious because they would've outnumbered Yazid's. [Mention, O Muhammad], the Day We will call forth every people with their record [of deeds]. Then whoever is given his record in his right hand - those will read their records, and injustice will not be done to them, [even] as much as a thread [inside the date seed]. [Quran 17:71] That is the correct translation. "please dont tell me that there are no sects in sunni Islam" Can you please name me the sects of Sunni?
  14. Ask any non Muslim do you know what shias are "are they the ones that hit themselves", men who whip the prophets daughter ?! Wtf?! Read about it brother, the death of Hussein R.A was on the hands of the Shia, when he was going to battle yazid tens of thousands of shias wrote to him telling him they will support him but in the end they joined yazids forces, the same was going to happen to zayn ul abideen r.a but he rejected them. After reading your post its quite clear that you know nothing of Sunni Islam, brother I advise you to read about both forms of Islam and take an unbiased approach towards Islam. If you look at Shia Islam, they have deviated so much, became one sect as Shia and then within Shia there is almost 40 sects (from what I hear anyway) Sunni Islam has NO sects all Sunnis follow the same beliefs and as for your statement of Shia being mentioned 6 times, Idk about six times but I know one it reads as follow "oh those who deviate in their religion and become shias, you (muhammad) are not like them in any way!" I pity that the Muslim sister led you to a biased approach towards Islam. I do speak Arabic and read it in Arabic and anyways despite what you heard Sunnis love the family of the prophet, my name is Ali :)
  15. If there was danger for his life when they only had swords and bows and arrow and he couldn't survive that , doesn't that make him even more endangered for his life because of the weapons today(guns, bombs etc), danger for his life theory is ridiculous. I am not talkin about your hadiths unlike shias, Sunnis only use the prophets hadiths which are worth a lot more than the words of any of your imams.
  16. He's not a nasibi he just hates shias which I disagree with him on, you shouldn't hate them, guide them.
  17. By Allah with all my heart I am so sympathetic to your case, being a Christian and then ending up a Rafidhi, don't worry, I shall include you in my prayers. And if you will to be guided Allah will guide. This is in fact one of the MAIN reasons I can NEVER become a Shia... Let alone the fact that the very REASON they deviated from the main Muslims is non existent in the Qur'an, their disgusting childish and vile disrespect towards the greatest Muslims and the mothers of the believers, the fact that all their religious representatives seem to talk about in mosques(husseiniyat, I've been to one) is the death of an imam or a birth of an imam or how great these imams were, and the ridiculous things that come out of their representatives' mouths "Allah made paradise for Hussein" "visiting Hussein is like visiting Allah" "By Allah one piece of chocolate cures an entire tribe"(Hamoodi Chocolate) "Sex change is halal"(Khomeini) "Imams have power over every atom in the universe"(Khomeini), I can go on to name several others but I really ain't got the time, theory that someone has been guiding us when he has been absent for over 1000 years, harming oneself, dissociation of oneself from Allah and finally the fact that every Shia is brainwashed in his beliefs and narrow minded and can never take an OPEN minded approach in a debate. Brother, it may not be too late for you since you did not contain such a mindset from childhood. I ask Shia brothers to please open their eyes. Tbh from the time I started on this forum till now I am sure than EVER that Shia Islam is not the true Islam, mainly due to the content of many threads (ambrosechapell) and the behaviour and attitude of a lot of Shia members (Rasul mainly, my heart goes out to you, I pity you so much). Edit: what do you mean you are a Shia of the prophets? Edit edit: its rather amusing how you don't have a 12th imam but have a 13th (khomeini) and 14th (khameini). There's so much I could say LOL!
  18. Fiercely running away? Brother, Surah 3 Chapter 7 proves you've deviated from the truth CLEARLY, it is NOT me running away, it is YOU running into falsehood. Have you asked Allah to guide you?
  19. They're their daughters you [EDITED] !
  20. Was Allah in capable of saying and Ali you are the guide? Fact is, Ali is never mentioned in the Quran explicitly, yet Shias feel the constant need to raise his status above or the same as the prophet and sometimes even to the level of God (jawad zaker). HOW THE HELL DO I LOSE THE DEBATE? BRO, you are incapable of bringing me a single verse explaining YOUR concept of Imaamah, No verse out of the several THOUSANDS refers to divine succession to the final prophet SAW in the slightest! Al_MuHamaddee please don't even bother replying, your arrogance is on another scale, Ask Allah to guide you, I promise you he is much more capable of hearing you than your imaginary 12th imam, go read Surah 3 Chapter 7, with an OPEN heart. May Allah guide you on the straight path. Ameen.
  21. @Rasul How dare you strip Rasullalah SAW of what Allah has made him "Surely, you are a constant warner and to every people a guide" Muhammad SAW was a constant warner and is a guide to every person through his sunnah. Go take your ridiculous interpretations elsewhere.
  22. I asked to prove YOUR imaamah concept of imams succeeding the final prophet saw, you seem to only be talking about prophets... Seekingtruth and muslimunity please read the following ayah carefully... It is He who has sent down to you, [O Muhammad], the Book; in it are verses [that are] precise - they are the foundation of the Book - and others unspecific. As for those in whose hearts is deviation [from truth], they will follow that of it which is unspecific, seeking discord and seeking an interpretation [suitable to them].[Quran 3:7]
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