Ali J

You can change the way you think and your environment, so on. You can still not steal if you're poor, you can still not be proud if you're famous, you can still not do drugs when they're all around you, etc. I never said it couldn't be changed. Even if we all managed to get to heaven, does that mean it was a fair test brother? The point I'm trying to make here is it could be much much much harder for someone else to come to the right path than someone else. If you're born into a Christian family, you're more likely to stay Christian your entire life. But if you were born into a Muslim family, you're more likely to stay a Muslim you're entire life. Yes, while the Christian can still become a Muslim, it's harder for him. While the poor man can still not steal like the rich man, it's harder for him not to, and easier for the rich man. This is the point I'm trying to make. That it's not a fair test.

Well they are not equal in every way then. Their brains are different or something is different. They choose because maybe one had gotten a better offer from another club, maybe one has family problems, etc. There is something different. If they were the exact same they would both say yes. That is rather irrelevant. They are still the cause of their actions, whether they can be changed or not. I never said environments couldn't be changed, it's obvious that they can. That does not matter. These people are different from us, are they not? If we were all the same we would choose the same, I do not know how many times I have to say that. People just won't accept it. They have been created differently. Oh really, is that so? Well thanks for all the help! :/

Honestly, what are you saying here? How is that in anyway an argument? You just denied it by saying no, and similarly the one after you, who also claims I don't want to take responsibility. That is not the case, and it actually doesn't matter if it is or not. Whether I want to take responsibility or not doesn't change anything about what I said. What was your argument against the point that if we all had equal freewill and intelligence, and the same environment, we'd choose heaven or hell? Why do some people not choose heaven? Why won't you answer this question? They have obviously a different way of thinking, something my friends, must be different. Allah obviously if he is real has created us differently. This automatically makes it not fair, that very fact makes it not fair. And once again, if you say yes but he'll judge us accordingly then no one is going to go to hell. Please try understand my brothers. Either Allah isn't real or he's doing some injustice.

Most of you restated what I said in a way. I told you in my post that if you say, but Allah considers this poor mans situation, or this rich mans situation, then no one will be punished, because it is only due to their environment and the way your brain develops. Here is another example. Say Allah created everyone with the same brain, the exact same brain, and they were put into their very own, but exact same environment. They will all either come out good, or bad. But what if they don't all come out good or bad, what if some are good, and some are bad? What does this mean? It means that Allah did not create them with equal intelligence or freewill. Now I know that we all have different brains, and that we all experience a different environment. This is the actual case. And this my friends is the only reason some people are good and some people are bad. And who with freewill would not choose to go to Jannah? Who is their right mind would choose to not go to Jannah? if I had the choice, I would definitely choose Jannah. Why is it that some people don't choose Jannah? If they have the exact same amount of will as me, they will choose Jannah. The fact that people choose different means that there is without a doubt some injustice done by Allah, either in giving people a certain amount of intelligence, or a certain amount of freewill, or the wrong environment, or whatever it maybe. Do I not make a point brothers?

Again, thank you for your replies. Here is an example to explain exactly what I'm talking about. Take a certain person. He is born into a poor, unhealthy, uneducated, and undernourished family. He has no food. He is forced to steal, even though he knows it is against Allah. His environment has caused his actions. Now take that very same person, but he was born into a rich family, with all the food he ever needs, all the money and education he can get, and he doesn't steal, but rather is a good Muslim, a very good one, who gives to charity, etc. What is my point here? My point is that very same person had different actions due to his environment. Another example would be where am I more likely to commit rape? In an islamic country where every woman wears the hijab, or a country where in which the women are bearly wearing any clothes? I do not choose my environment, and therefore it means it is harder for me than someone else due to my environment, meaning we do not get an equal chance. And if you were to say to me that, "Yes, but Allah will take that into account.", then really no one will go to hell, because the reason they commit these sins is due to their environment or how their brain develop in which took no part or could choose. Please tell me how this is wrong. Once again, thank you.

Thank you brothers for your replies. You know I went to a Sunni forum when I had gotten no response from this forum, and I was called "troll", and arguing for the sake of arguing. I'm happy to see that this forum has some respect and tries use logic. I see what a few of the people here are trying to say, that it's only people who actually believe in Allah, but won't admit it that will go to hell. But really my point is, is it not Allah's fault that they won't admit it? What if this same person was born somewhere in Africa, where he had no money, and almost nothing, and didn't develop this pride and one day he heard of the message and he believed. Was it not due to the environment that Allah put him in that he believed? And like I said, who would disbelieve in Allah when he truly knows he exists and chose to go to the hell fire? Of course no one, and if they do, it's because this world overcame them.

Hello brothers. Yesterday at night I was thinking about the part verse in surat al fatiha, "ghayr el maghdoobi 'alayhim", and was thinking how can Allah curse someone, and say there is a seal on their heart when they should have freewill. I understand I might not know exactly what this verse is talking about, who it's refering to, but this isn't the reason that I couldn't believe that Allah existed. I remembered in dua kumayl how it said something like, "And how can it's flames burn me when I call your name", and the dua emphasises Allah's mercy. We start every surah(except 9) with Bismillah Al Rahman, Al Raheem. He is Al Raheem. He says so many times he will forgive anything except shirk, that his mercy is unbounded. So tell me brothers, did I choose to be born? Did I make the choice to be born? No, I did not brothers, Allah made it for me. And what has Allah done by doing this? He has made me come into this material world, full of temptaions, and he has given me this brain, this intelligence. And if I say for some reason am not convinced by his message, I would deserve the worst burning ever? The most merciful, the most merciful is going to burn his poor servant that HE brought into this life, that HE gave him the intelligence he has, and then burn him? What did I ever do brothers, for Allah to burn me? What great wrong did I do for him to put me in this world and burn me??? By Allah, if he exists, I spent 3 hours crying after I finished praying, asking for an answer, and saying "What did I ever do?", "How can you burn me for me ignorance, for my idiocy when you are the most merciful?". I am afraid brothers I am not going to get any answer. But if you have you, you would have done great good. :'( Thank you brothers.

Salam, There is nothing in Islams that makes me have doubt in it, other than this very topic. If there was ever a reason I were to become an Atheist, this would probably be the most likely one. How can Islam permit slavery? All this good, and then this? How, it makes me so sad, so annoyed, that the prophet wouldn't just ban it completely. Imagine you were a slave, how would you feel. "Yes you're equal but you must work for me for free.". And only the son of a slave can be come a slave. How is this fair? I know Islam discouraged it, and made it a very good deed to free slaves, but without a doubt this is just not enough. This very matter disgusts me to be honest brothers. I am very firm in my belief in Islam and have my reasons, almost everything I have considered, but this is something that I cannot find an answer for. I know that Allah(SWT) would consider it a very great deed that you would help me on this matter, to keep a fellow Muslim firm in his faith. Please give me answers with full evidence behind them. Thanks in advance. W Salam.