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  1. Salaam I would like to know more about the origins of the Quran we have today, who compiled it and what is the opinion of Shia scholars on the different "versions & readings" of the Quran we have today. HYPOTHESIS: x Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) only sent down one clear and unequivocal message. x Each and every word of the quran has an exact reason for tanzil even though we might find freedom and a wide range of meaning in the tafsir. x Gabriel's pronounciation of the quran while he was teaching it to the prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)&f was 1 and not 7 different ways. The quran was originally written without detailed markings like it is today (accents, dots, etc). So in time people needed to insert dots and accents according to the recitation that was going around. Therefore we have 7 versions, some quran's have even a whole word less or more.. the meaning is the same but... this really disturbs me and I hope that someone can explain to me what the Shia point of view is on this matter. Thanks in advance Salaam PS: If you guys find any length of video or audio about this topic, even 10 hours long, I would love if you would share it with me.
  2. Thanks for this practical reply I needed this for peace of mind!
  3. From the Quran we can conclude iftar is at Layl and and Layl is not synonyms with maghrib. But at the same time you can assume that the time consists of day and night. So the real question that remains is if we can accept maghrib is the start of and part of Layl or is Layl only after maghrib. And the only reason he thinks so is because of the Hadith in bukhari 1954 and 1955. My Arabic is not that strong so I can't really see anything out of the ordinary. Do you? Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "When night falls from this side and the day vanishes from this side and the sun sets, then the fasting person should break his fast." حَدَّثَنَا الْحُمَيْدِيُّ، حَدَّثَنَا سُفْيَانُ، حَدَّثَنَا هِشَامُ بْنُ عُرْوَةَ، قَالَ سَمِعْتُ أَبِي يَقُولُ، سَمِعْتُ عَاصِمَ بْنَ عُمَرَ بْنِ الْخَطَّابِ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ ـ رضى الله عنه ـ قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ "‏ إِذَا أَقْبَلَ اللَّيْلُ مِنْ هَا هُنَا، وَأَدْبَرَ النَّهَارُ مِنْ هَا هُنَا، وَغَرَبَتِ الشَّمْسُ، فَقَدْ أَفْطَرَ الصَّائِمُ ‏"‏‏.‏ We were in the company of the Prophet (ﷺ) on a journey and he was fasting, and when the sun set, he addressed somebody, "O so-and-so, get up and mix Sawiq with water for us." He replied, "O Allah's Apostle! (Will you wait) till it is evening?" The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Get down and mix Sawiq with water for us." He replied, "O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! (If you wait) till it is evening." The Prophet (ﷺ) said again, "Get down and mix Sawiq with water for us." He replied, "It is still daytime."(1) The Prophet (ﷺ) said again, "Get down and mix Sawiq with water for us." He got down and mixed Sawiq for them. The Prophet (ﷺ) drank it and then said, "When you see night falling from this side, the fasting person should break his fast." حَدَّثَنَا إِسْحَاقُ الْوَاسِطِيُّ، حَدَّثَنَا خَالِدٌ، عَنِ الشَّيْبَانِيِّ، عَنْ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ أَبِي أَوْفَى ـ رضى الله عنه ـ قَالَ كُنَّا مَعَ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم فِي سَفَرٍ، وَهُوَ صَائِمٌ، فَلَمَّا غَرَبَتِ الشَّمْسُ قَالَ لِبَعْضِ الْقَوْمِ ‏"‏ يَا فُلاَنُ قُمْ، فَاجْدَحْ لَنَا ‏"‏‏.‏ فَقَالَ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ، لَوْ أَمْسَيْتَ‏.‏ قَالَ ‏"‏ انْزِلْ، فَاجْدَحْ لَنَا ‏"‏‏.‏ قَالَ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ فَلَوْ أَمْسَيْتَ‏.‏ قَالَ ‏"‏ انْزِلْ، فَاجْدَحْ لَنَا ‏"‏‏.‏ قَالَ إِنَّ عَلَيْكَ نَهَارًا‏.‏ قَالَ ‏"‏ انْزِلْ، فَاجْدَحْ لَنَا ‏"‏‏.‏ فَنَزَلَ فَجَدَحَ لَهُمْ، فَشَرِبَ النَّبِيُّ صلى الله عليه وسلم ثُمَّ قَالَ ‏"‏ إِذَا رَأَيْتُمُ اللَّيْلَ قَدْ أَقْبَلَ مِنْ هَا هُنَا، فَقَدْ أَفْطَرَ الصَّائِمُ ‏"‏‏.‏
  4. Salaam everyone I've had a long discussion with a sunni friend about when to break the fast. He claims night/Layl starts at maghrib and is part of the Layl. So we can break our fast immediately at sunset. I went through the Quran verses that make a distinction between Layl and Maghrib. Making them not synonyms. But then he points to the following Hadith. Is anyone familiar with these Hadith and how to methodically disprove his point. [10/04, 19:57] 3 Mohamed Arba: The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “When the night comes from here and the day departs from here, and the sun sets, then it is time for the fasting person to break his fast.” al-Bukhaari 1954 [10/04, 19:58] 3 Mohamed Arba: Abd-Allaah ibn Abi Awfa (may Allah be pleased with him) said: We were with the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) on a journey and he was fasting. When the sun set, he said to one of the people: O So and so, get up and make saweeq for us (mix it with water so that we can drink it). He said O Messenger of Allah, why not wait till the evening? He said: Dismount and make saweeq for us. He said: O Messenger of Allah, why not wait till the evening? He said: Dismount and make saweeq for us. He said: It is still day. He said: Dismount and make saweeq for us. So he dismounted and made saweeq for them, and the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) drank it, then he said: When you see that night has come from here, then let the fasting person break his fast. Al-Haafiz Ibn Hajar (may Allah have mercy on him) said: This hadeeth indicates that it is mustahabb to hasten to break the fast and that it is not permissible to refrain from eating and drinking for any part of the night at all; rather as soon as it is established that the sun has set, it is permissible to break the fast. Al-Bukhaari (1955) and Muslim (1101) Thank you in advance and Ramadan mubarak to you all Insh'Alaah!
  5. Hi guys a friend of mine just sent me very good points about fasting till layl(night) instead of maghrib(sunset). The quran used the word 'layl' (night) to describe the period of the fasting's end. As the term 'ghurub' (sunset) is well known to the Quran, it could have used such a term clearly to denote the ending of the fasting period without any ambiguity. However, it simply did not. The Sunnah/hadith, sheiks and hearsay seems to indicate that these terms are interchangeable: Is Layl equal to Maghrib? Here are some of the ayat he brought up about the layl and this clearly seems to point to the fact that we should break our fast after maghrib prayer. 017.036--- DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH "And do not follow that of which you have no knowledge. Indeed! The hearing and the sight and the heart - of each of these you will be questioned" 002:183---- FASTING IS MADE OBLIGATORY "O you who have believed, decreed upon you is fasting as it was decreed upon those before you that you may learn self-restraint /guard against evil." 002:187--- FASTING TILL LAYL "…and eat and drink, until the white thread of dawn appears to you distinct from its black thread. Then complete the fast till the night (layl)…" 036:37--- Layl definition= DARK "And a sign (aya) for them is the night. We strip from it [the light of] day, so they are in darkness." 028:71--- Layl definition = 'WITHOUT LIGHT' "Say, Have you considered: if Allah should make for you the night continuous until the Day of Resurrection, what deity other than Allah could bring you light? Then will you not hear?" 006:76--- Layl definition = 'PLANETS VISIBLE' When the night (layl) covered over him, He saw a planet (kawkab): He said: "This is my Lord." But when it set, He said: "I love not those that set." 018:86--- Layl definition = CONCEALES/HIDES "By the Sun and its brightness (splendour, brightness, brilliance — duha) and the moon when it follows it and the day when it displays it and the night (Arabic: layl) when it covers / conceals it." 010:67--- Layl definition ='HARD TO SEE' "It is He who made for you the night to rest therein and the day, giving sight..." These clear verses don't really allow for much debate. If the Quran says something and the sunnah says something else then the Quran should always be put first! After reading these quran verses with the word Layl in its propper context, it is hard for me to believe that Layl would ever be confused with the word maghrib in the quran. According to the Quran, maghrib prayer can absolutely not be the time to break your fast. It takes about 30 min after sunset before the Layl begins and visibility becomes hard. This period was independently described by scientists as Nautical twilight, it comes after sunset (civil twilight). Is it right to conclude that from now on iftar should happen about 30 minutes after the maghib prayer for our sunni brothers? And is it right to say that the shia brothers should pray the maghrib prayer DURING maghrib and not drag it out 30 minutes in order for it to coincide with futoor? I am confused about this, why make Allah wait before we pray maghrib? Thanks in advance Ramadan Kareem
  6. Salaam and ramadan Kareem to you all I've been wondering for a few years now why the shia don't pray maghrib at the onset of ghurub (sunset under the horizon). Why do we pray only 25 minutes later? If the quran mentions Layl as the propper time for breaking our fast, why do we not first pray Maghrib at it's appointed time (sunset), then wait 25 minutes for Layl (night) to set, so we can break our fast. Isn't it better to pray on time, when we know by sattelite and science the exact minute when sunset is reached in our area? Thanks in advance & Salaam
  7. Salaam I think you are worrying too much about the potential of stones and too little about the blessings for your health and spirit you will lose when not fasting. FACT I Muslims in general drink MORE water during ramadan than during any other month in the year. Because most of us are very aware of the thirst next day. So just make sure you drink even more, since you're aware of your possible kidney stones. FACT II The human body can make it's own water, this means that as long as you don't eat anything, you can also not drink anything for multiple days!! So I'm sure you'll survive just 18 or 20 hours per day. Finally I would like to add, that I personally have done a 4 day dry fast, where we don't drink any water or food, and no kidneystones, I still had to urinate every morning. Just like a camel, we use our fat to make water. So please don't miss your fasting, it has so many benefits for your body and spirit. Ramadan Kareem
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