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  1. I’m not commenting on anyone in particular. Just a general observation that “we’re being suppressed” is often emphasized by conspiracy types to boost credibility. Some people see this as an important prerequisite for the viability of a position. In other words, the more marginalized something is, the higher chance there’s truth in it. That’s a logical fallacy that many have, but won’t acknowledge. The search for truth is hampered by the psychological need to feel victimized and be a contrarian. Of course, the pendulum swung the polar opposite direction can also be problematic.
  2. The Galileo fallacy is a logical fallacy that asserts that if your ideas provoke the establishment to vilify or threaten you, you must be right — "everyone says I am wrong, therefore I am right." That's what seems to be happening.
  3. People in general have difficulties understanding numbers and probabilities, and only see what they want to see. The same people who dismissively talk about a “99% recovery rate” (which is actually a little low considering the high rate of transmission) are the same ones who over exaggerate about 1 in 1000000 chance of a vaccine side effect, or whatever ridiculously low number it is, pretending it’s more pervasive than it really is. If you’re willing to go in a car, then a vaccine is significantly safer than that.
  4. An approach to dialogue cannot be one way only, and that’s the problem with some of them. They only want to talk and preach, but not listen.
  5. Non-Muslims are also tested by God. That interaction was one of their tests on the state of their hearts, and the ability to show decency. And you were tested too with your patience and how you react.
  6. The fact that Muslims exist and have some presence in virtually every country can only be a positive thing.
  7. Putting aside colors for a second, it’s hard to believe that the “existence” of anything is purely dependent on human consciousness. In other words, human perception flipping the switch from “non-existence” to “existence”. A more accurate terminology would be “latency” to “apparency”. Both these terms still imply existence in essence, while also explaining the association with human conscious.
  8. Polygenic traits weaken, not strengthen the significance of genetics. By definition, they are more susceptible to environmental factors.
  9. Translated wavelengths are still wavelengths. Giving it a different name through translation (color) doesn’t change any inherent physical properties of the object.
  10. Something can exist with physical properties (ie certain emitted wavelengths) whether a conscious observer exists or not for validation. The potentiality is still there. And who knows if humans seeing color is the only function of these wavelengths? Maybe it serves other functions. I guess that’s like saying “keys” wouldn’t exist if keyholes didn’t exist. But why does a key need a keyhole to be considered “existing”?
  11. The OP did state that, and the assertion was never that no genetic component exists, but rather arguing against a single monogenic inheritance pattern with a black and white fixed phenotypic expression (ie a single “gay gene” that makes one “gay” or “not gay”). As was mentioned, this dichotomy is a social construction. The genetic mechanism they describe for same sex attraction (polygenic, spread against small foci of many genes, non-Mendelian) is qualitatively weak, and by definition, phenotypic expression in polygenic traits tend to be heavily influenced by environmental factors. In other words, one strong gene vs multiple weak genes is an important distinction.
  12. This is not surprising, as genetic studies claiming to validate social constructs largely fail. No different from supposed racial scientific studies of the colonial eras. Sexual orientation and race are largely sociological. “White”, “black”, “gay”, etc are socially constructed labels for purposes of identity and differentiation, extrapolated from vague sexual inclinations and skin color. Genetics doesn’t provide that “meaning”, society does. Then, through those meanings, habits and behaviors are formed. People can debate the utility and validity of this practice, but history shows many negative repercussions, with gains for some at the expense of others. As far as Islam goes, the only true identity that differentiates us is our adherence to God, with all other traits within the human race considered equally inconsequential. This concept, despite being around since the dawn of humankind, is especially liberating and revolutionary from the perspective of the past few centuries, including today. Malcolm X learned this during Hajj, where all the racial labels he thought were important were not. Everyone was simply brothers and sisters in belief.
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