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Dawud Miqdad al-Amriki

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  1. Just leave, nobody cares what you have to say. This thread is for the discussion of these topics with an open mind and for those who WANT to find wisdom in them or question the detractors of the Sufis, not a thread to be thrown cliche rhetoric by scholars we don't even follow. I don't listen to or follow Ayatollah Shirazi and don't care about his opinion. Again, if you are just here to condemn us, LEAVE NOW! Cause now, you are just spamming.

    I'm quoting hadith bro,

    One of the first people who used the Sufi during the Islamic era was Abu Hashim al-Kufi who lived during the time of Imam Ja'far al-Saadiq. The imam, peace be upon him, describes Abu Hashim of Kufa as follows:

    "He is of a severely corrupt Aqidah and he is the one who has innovated a new math-hab called Sufism, which he has made it (his math-hab) as a means to present his devious Aqidah."

    [sheikh al-Hurr al-Aameli, "Al-Ithna Ashareyyah"; p 33. and "Hadeeqat-ul-Shi'a", p 564.]

    Imam Redha, peace be upon him says:

    "No one takes up Sufism except for (the reason of) deception, or misguidedness, or stupidity."

    [safeenat-ol-Behaar; vol. 2, p 58].

    In one hadeeth, Imam Hassan al-Askari (peace be upon him) says:

    "The Sufis are all our opponents and their practice is opposite to ours and in fact they are none but the Christians and Zoroastrians of this Ummah."

    [safeenat-ol-Behaar; vol. 2, p 58].

    Why don't you quote some hadith where the Imaams (as) praised Sufism and tasawwuf and Irfan?

    If you don't have any then why are you defending it and still calling yourself Shi'a?

  2. See the hadith I posted.

    The separation among things is

    evidence of the existence of the One Who causes separation in them and their combinations is

    evidence of the existence of the One Who combines them. It is jus as Allah has said, "We

    have created everything in pairs so that perhaps you may take heed (51:49)." He has made a

    distinction between the before and after to show that there is no before and after for Him. The

    instincts show that the One who created the instincts Himself has no instinct. The time is

    evidence that there is no timing for the One Who made the time. Things are hidden from each

    other are evidence that nothing hides them from their Creator. He was the Lord when there

    was nothing to enjoy His Lordship. He was to be worshipped when there was no worshipper.

    He had the knowledge when there was nothing to know. He was hearing when there was

    nothing to hear."

  3. I would very much like to get this thread a little more back on track in discussing individual Sufi figures themselves that may be relevant to Ithna Ashari Shi'ism.

    Let's listen to the late Grand Ayatollah Mohammad Shirazi

    Question: Muslim or not Muslim?

    Are there some sects within Islam that are NOT considered Muslims, could you please provide me with a small list of sects which our Ulema don't consider them as Muslims....

    Are Sufis considered Muslims?

    Was-Salaam

    Answer

    A muslim is he who submits to the Will of Allah and therefore to His Teachings, Commands and Orders. Mankind receives His Teachings through His Messengers and Allah Almighty considers complying with the teachings of His Messengers as tantamount to submission to Him.

    "O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger, and those charged with authority among you." 4:59.

    "Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things." 33: 40.

    There are the Ahmadis who claim that there is another prophet after prophet Muhammad (S), and people such as those are not regarded as Muslims. [When the Ahmadis are confronted about their views they say to the Muslims you do not appreciate what we are saying.]

    Other sects who may call themselves or referred to as Muslims but in fact they are considered non-Muslim are the Babi's, the Baha'is, Qadyanis, and also the following:

    The Nawasib are those have animosity towards Ahl-ul-Bayt ,

    Imam Saadiq said: “love towards us constitutes imaan and hatred towards us constitutes kufr.”

    The Khawarij are those who believed that Amir-ul-Mu'mineen is kafir,

    The Ghulaat are those who believe that Amir-ul-Mu'mineen is Allah,

    The Mujassamah are those who believe that Allah has a body, face, etc.

    Imam Saadiq said: “those who believe that Allah has a face are Mushrik and those believe Allah has limbs like His creatures are kafir.”

    The Mujbirah are those who say man is forced to do what he is doing

    Imam Redha said, “He who believes in Jabr is kafir.”

    The Sufis are many groups and sects and in general they may be categorised in two broad categories. One are those who use Sufism for self-discipline but adhere to the teachings of Islam and its laws and Shari'ah.

    And there are some of them who are not considered as Muslims for their deviated and false belief. In particular are those sects who believe in Wahdat-el-Wujud or Pantheism. They are not considered to be Muslims. They too say to the Muslims you do not appreciate what we are saying, when confronted about their beliefs. They say, "Everything is Allah. There is no reality other than Allah, and this is the meaning of La Ilah Illa-Llah. What we see around us is just illusion, whereas in fact there is nothing around us except Allah."

    Great Shi'a scholars and jurists have decreed that Sufism is false and Kufr . . . . See for example Orwat-ol-Wothqa by Sayyed Muhammad Kaadhem Yazdi. Given the importance of the book almost every Shi'a Faqih and Jurist has written commentary on the Orwat-ol-Wothqa. In Orwat-ol-Wothqa, Ayatollah Sayyed Muhammad Kaadhem Yazdi states that those Sufis who practice their beliefs of Wahdat-el-Wujud are even considered as Najis!]

    Furthermore there are many hadeeths from Ahl-ul-Bayt (peace be upon them all) strongly condemning Sufism.

    One of the first people who used the Sufi during the Islamic era was Abu Hashim al-Kufi who lived during the time of Imam Ja'far al-Saadiq. The imam, peace be upon him, describes Abu Hashim of Kufa as follows:

    "He is of a severely corrupt Aqidah and he is the one who has innovated a new math-hab called Sufism, which he has made it (his math-hab) as a means to present his devious Aqidah."

    [sheikh al-Hurr al-Aameli, "Al-Ithna Ashareyyah"; p 33. and "Hadeeqat-ul-Shi'a", p 564.]

    Imam Redha, peace be upon him says:

    "No one takes up Sufism except for (the reason of) deception, or misguidedness, or stupidity."

    [safeenat-ol-Behaar; vol. 2, p 58].

    In one hadeeth, Imam Hassan al-Askari (peace be upon him) says:

    "The Sufis are all our opponents and their practice is opposite to ours and in fact they are none but the Christians and Zoroastrians of this Ummah."

    [safeenat-ol-Behaar; vol. 2, p 58].

  4. That is certainly disturbing and offensive to all that is humane. Is this the obscenity that the KSA bases its sick brand of justice on.

    Lastly is that what Islam says or what some man says?

    Perhaps you can tell us a few things about this Ayat's life such as his later life and if he is dead how did he die and where is he buried. Thanks.

    Sorry I could never do it justice, but there is a brief biography for both of the scholars at this link

    http://imamshirazi.com/biography.html

    Muhammad Shirazi (may Allah grant him mercy) is dead, some say he was assassinated.

    Grand Ayatollah Shirazi is distinguished for his intellectual ability and holistic vision. He is recognized for his clear ideas and realistic solutions to issues of concern to mankind. He has written various specialized studies that are considered to be among the most important references in the Islamic sciences of beliefs or doctrine, ethics, politics, economics, sociology, law, human rights, etc. He has enriched the world with his staggering contribution of more than 1200 books, treatise and studies on various branches of learning. His works range from simple introductory books for the young generations to literary and scientific masterpieces. Deeply rooted in the holy Qur'an and the Teachings of the Prophet of Islam, his vision and theories cover areas such as Politics, Economics, Government, Management, Sociology, Theology, Philosophy, History and Islamic Law. His work on Islamic Jurisprudence (al-Fiqh series) for example constitutes 150 volumes which run into more than 70,000 pages. Through his original thoughts and ideas he has championed the causes of issues such as the family, human right, freedom of expression, political pluralism, nonviolence, and Shura or consultative system of leadership.

    Imam Shirazi believes in the fundamental and elementary nature of freedom in mankind. He calls for freedom of expression, political plurality, debate and discussion, tolerance and forgiveness. He strongly believes in the consultative system of leadership and calls for the establishment of the leadership council of religious authorities. He calls for the establishment of the universal Islamic government to encompass all the Muslim countries. These and other ideas are discussed in detail in his books.

    Brother satyaban, I think you would benefit a lot from learning about him inshallah, one of the few great people of our time.

  5. I told you to give him more time. Once it became clear he was a troll, then I said it would be understandable to be harsh with him. Just because you turned out to be correct, it doesn't mean that your initial approach was right. As for Dawud al-Miqdad al-Amriki, after recent interactions with him, it has become clear he has no sense whatsoever. I have time for the uninformed, of whatever religion, but very little for fools. Unfortunately he is both uninformed and foolish.

    By the way, he has sent lanah on me, has implied I am a kafir, and judging by his above post also a nasibi. So how nice exactly do you expect me to be with him?

    I know you love your rijaal and sciences, so how about you bring the Arabic source for these hadith?

    Don't hide behind our disagreement as a means for avoiding the question.

  6. (bismillah)

    (salam)

    THE BELIEF CONCERNING DISSIMULATION (taqiya)

    Says the Shaykh, may the mercy of Allah be on him: Our belief concerning taqiya (permissible dissimulation) is that it is obligatory, and he who forsakes it is in the same position as he who forsakes prayer. Imam Ja'far as-Sadiq was told: O son of the Messenger of Allah, verily we see in the mosque one who openly abuses your enemies, calling out their names. And he said: May Allah curse him! Why does he refer to us? He, Who is Exalted above all, says: "Revile not those who invoke (deities) other than Allah, lest wrongfully they revile Allah through ignorance" [6:108]. And Imam Ja'far in explaining this verse has said: So do not revile them, lest they revile your `Ali. And he also said: He who reviles the friend (wali) of Allah (i.e. 'Ali) has reviled Allah. And the Prophet said: He who reviles thee, O `Ali, has verily reviled me; and he, who reviles me, has verily reviled Allah.

    (wasalam)

    I know you love your rijaal and sciences, so how about you bring the Arabic source for these hadith?

    And Imam Ja'far said: Verily, I hear a man abusing me in the mosque; and I hide myself behind a pillar so that he may not see me.

    Unbelievable. So according to Haydar Husayn, our leaders hide behind pillars, advise us to keep women uneducated (don't teach them to read and write)*1, and allow us to use infants for masturbation*2.

    Please teach us more of this wisdom, our cups are empty without you.

    References for my above comments:

    *1

    (Kafi by Shaikh Kulaini (ra), Volume 5, Page 516, Hadith 2)

    كتاب من لا يحضره الفقيه — الجزء الثالث

    للشيخ الجليل الاقدم الصدوق أبى جعفر محمد بن على بن الحسين بن بابويه القمى

    المتوفى سنة 381

    Man la yahdhuruhul Faqih by Shaikh Sadooq (381 AH), Third Volume

    4534 - وروى عبدالله بن سنان عن أبي عبدالله عليه السلام قال: (ألهموهن حب علي عليه السلام وذروهن بلهاء

    4534 - And narrated Abdullah b. Sinan from Abi Abdullah(as) who said: "Inspire the women with love of Ali(as) (and) leave them idiotic."

    4535 - وروى إسماعيل بن أبي زياد عن جعفر بن محمد عن أبيه عليهما السلام عن آبائه عليهم السلام قال: (قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه واله: لا تنزلوا نساء‌كم الغرف ولا تعلموهن الكتابة، ولا تعلموهن سورة يوسف، وعلموهن المغزل وسورة النور

    4535 - And it's narrated from Isma'il b. Abi Ziyad from Ja'far b. Muhammad (as) from his (as) father (as) from his forefathers (as) who said: Rasool Allah (pbuh) said: "Do not let your women come down the rooms and do not teach them to write, and do not teach them surah al Yusuf, while teach them the spindle/spinning wheel and surah al Noor."

    http://realtashayyu....good-thing.html

    *2

    Khomeini's fatwa #12 under Kitab an Nikah in his book "Tahrirolvasyleh"

    مسألة 12 :

    لا يجوز وطء الزوجة قبل إكمال تسع سنين ، دواما كان النكاح أو منقطعا ، و أما سائر الاستمتاعات كاللمس بشهوة و الضم و التفخيذ فلا بأس بها حتى فى الرضيعة ، و لو وطأها قبل التسع و لم يفضها لم يترتب عليه شى‏ء غير الاثم على الاقوى ، و إن أفضاها بأن جعل مسلكى البول و الحيض واحدا أو مسلكى الحيض و الغائط واحدا حرم عليه وطؤها أبدا لكن على الاحوط فى الصورة الثانية ، و على أي حال لم تخرج عن زوجيته على الاقوى ، فيجري عليها أحكامها من التوارث و حرمة الخامسة و حرمة أختها معها و غيرها ، و يجب عليه نفقتها مادامت حية و إن طلقها بل و إن تزوجت بعد الطلاق على الاحوط ، بل لا يخلو من قوة ، و يجب عليه دية الافضاء ، و هى دية النفس ، فإذا كانت حرة فلها نصف دية الرجل مضافا إلى المهر الذي استحقته بالعقد و الدخول ، و لو دخل بزوجته بعد إكمال التسع فأفضاها لم تحرم عليه و لم تثبت الدية ، و لكن الاحوط الانفاق عليها مادامت حية و إن كان الاقوى عدم الوجوب

    "A man can marry a girl younger than nine years of age, even if the girl is still a baby being breastfed. A man, however is prohibited from having intercourse with a girl younger than nine, other sexual acts such as foreplay, rubbing or "thighing", and kissing is allowed. A man having intercourse with a girl younger than nine years of age has not committed a crime, but only an infraction, if the girl is not permanently damaged. If the girl, however, is permanently damaged, the man must provide for her all her life. But this girl will not count as one of the man's four permanent wives. He also is not permitted to marry the girl's sister."

    http://www.shiachat....ost__p__1877843

    http://al-shia.org/h...tahrir25.htm#a5

    Haydar Hussain mashallah brother, please continue your wonderful Taqiyyah, don't let anyone know about Latam or Tabarra, but let's publish articles about treating women like sexual toys, even if they're infants. Mashallah.

    Lanatullah 'ala Kuffar wa Nawaseb

  7. (wasalam)

    The nature and angels and everything around us are Allah's creation.

    Consider the following hadith:

    Al-Kafi H 321, Ch. 17, h 1

    Ali ibn Ibrahim has narrated from al-Mukhtar ibn Muhammad ibn al-Mukhtar al-Hamadani

    and Muhammad ibn al-Hassan from ‘Abdallah ibn al-Hassan al-‘Alawi both of them from al-

    Fath ibn Yazid al-Jurjani from abu al-Hassan (a.s.) al-Thani or al-Thalith who has said the

    following.

    "I heard the Imam saying, ‘He (Allah) is the Subtle, All-aware, All-hearing, All-seeing, the

    One, the Self-sufficient, Who does not have any children, is not any one’s child and there is

    no one similar to Him. Had Allah been as those believing in similitude (al-Mushabbihah) say

    there would have been no distinction between the Creator and the created, the inventor and

    the invented but He is the Inventor.

    There would have been no distinction between Allah and what He has given body and form to

    bring into existence. In fact, nothing is similar to Him and He is not similar to anything." I

    then said, "Yes, may Allah take my soul in your service, but you just said, The One the Selfsufficient,

    that no one is similar to Him. Allah is One and a man is one. Are the two not

    similar in oneness?" The Imam replied, "O Fath, you said something impossible. May Allah

    grant you steadfastness. Similarity is in meaning. In the case of names they are all the same.

    The names refer to the nominee. When it is said a man it, at the same time, is a report about

    one body and not two bodies. In fact, man is not one thing. His parts, colors and the color of

    his colors that consist of distinct parts, that are not equal. His blood is different from his flesh.

    His nerves are different from his vines, his hairs are different from his skin. The black things

    in him are different from the white things therein. The same is true of all other creatures.

    Human beings are one in name but not in meaning.

    Allah, Great Whose Majesty is, is only One and no one other than Him is one. There is no

    difference, imbalance, increase or decrease in Him. Human beings are created, designed,

    compounded of different parts and various substances. Only when combined becomes one."

    I then said, "May Allah take my soul in service for your cause, and grant you happiness,

    would you explain to me the meaning of your words "Subtle and All-aware? Explain it as you

    just did with the One? I know that His Subtlety or kindness is different from those of His

    creatures but I like more clarity." The Imam said, "O Fath, we said He is Subtle it is because

    of His knowledge of the delicate creatures, may Allah give you success and steadfastness, so

    you should consider His creation. Consider His design in delicate and not so delicate plants

    and other creatures like animals, small and large such as flies and cricket and smaller ones

    that even eyes can not. Because of their small size no one knows which is male and which is

    female, which is new born and which is old. We find tremendously delicate things with signs

    of His Subtlety, in their desire for reproduction, running away from death, collecting what is

    good for them and what is in the depth of the oceans and on the barks of trees, in the

    wilderness and desolate places. We find more fastidiousness in such animals and their ability

    to communicate with each other, and what their offspring understand from them, their

    transporting food to their young and their colors, red along with yellow, white along with red

    so fine that our eyes are not able to catch for their very exquisite shape. Our eyes are not able

    to see them and our hands are not able to touch them. All these show that the Creator of all

    such marvelous creatures are Subtle Who is kind to all the creatures we mentioned. He has

    done it without instruments and means. Every designer and manufacturer builds and

    manufactures some thing from something but Allah does it from nothing."

    See the link in my signature for an amazing insight to reflect upon insha'Allah.

  8. Al-Kafi H 349, Ch. 22, h 4

    Muhaamd ibn abu ‘Abdallah in marfu‘ manner has narrated from Imam abu ‘Abdallah (a.s.)

    who has said the following.

    "Once Imam Amirul Mu’minin addressed the people in the Mosque of Kufa from the pulpit

    and a man called dhi‘lab a very good orator and brave in heart said, "O Amirul Mu’minin,

    have you seen your Lord?" The Imam replied, "Fie upon you O Dhi‘lab, how would I worship

    a Lord whom I would not see?" The man said, "O Amirul Mu’minin how have you seen

    Him?" The Imam said, "Fie up on you O Dhi‘lab, the eyes are not able to see Him physically

    but it is the hearts that see Him through the truth of the faith. O Dhi‘lab, my Lord is subtle in

    subtleties but can not be described by means of subtle matters. My Lord is great but can not

    be described by means of greatness. His greatness surpasses all greatness but he can not be

    described by means of such greatness. He is Glorious in His Glory but He can not be

    described in terms of thickness. He is before everything and it can not be said that something

    was before Him. He will be after all things but it can not be said that there is something after

    Him. He willed the existence of things but not by means of first thinking about it. He

    comprehends things but not with a great deal of efforts. Things are not mixed with Him and

    nor is He indifferent about them. He is clearly manifest but not with contacts and changes. He

    shines but not in the form of being found out with eye sight. He is far but not in the form of

    distance. He is near but not in the form of nearness. He is very fine but not in the form of

    physical fineness. He exists but not after nothingness. He acts but not because of being

    forced. He measures things but not by means of movement. He wills but not by means of

    thinking. He hears but not with tools. He sees but not with instruments. He is not contained in

    place and held up in times. Attributes do not limit Him and slumber does not seize Him. His

    Being was before the time and His existence was before nothingness. He was before eternity.

    His giving the sense awareness prove that He does not have the tools for sensing. His giving

    substance to the substances is proof that Himself is not a substance. The existence of a

    contrary to everything is proof that there is nothing contrary to Him. His giving nearness to

    things is proof that there is nothing similar to Him. He has made the light contrary to the

    darkness, the wetness to the dryness, the harshness to the softness, the coldness to the heat.

    He combines their transgressing and separates their closeness. The separation among things is

    evidence of the existence of the One Who causes separation in them and their combinations is

    evidence of the existence of the One Who combines them. It is jus as Allah has said, "We

    have created everything in pairs so that perhaps you may take heed (51:49)." He has made a

    distinction between the before and after to show that there is no before and after for Him. The

    instincts show that the One who created the instincts Himself has no instinct. The time is

    evidence that there is no timing for the One Who made the time. Things are hidden from each

    other are evidence that nothing hides them from their Creator. He was the Lord when there

    was nothing to enjoy His Lordship. He was to be worshipped when there was no worshipper.

    He had the knowledge when there was nothing to know. He was hearing when there was

    nothing to hear."

    In other words, Allah created everything, nothing existed eternally except for Allah. So, according to the Shi'ite philosophy, what you are saying is wrong to us. But you're free to think that of course, it just means you aren't accepting the words of the `Aimmah (as), and therefore reject Islam.

  9. Most important question to ask your Sunni friend

    Why did he refer to Shi'a as Kafir?

    He said you went from one Kufr (Hinduism?) to another Kufr (Shi'a)?

    Ask him what about Shi'a makes a Shi'a a Kafir, and ask him to bring evidence for his claim. If you aren't a Kafir then what is he worried about?

    Then the most important question for me, before I establish any discussion with "Ahl al Sunnah" (Bakris)

    Ask him if he believes the Prophet (sawa) can be bewitched?

    Sahih Bukhari, Book #53, Hadith #400 Narrated Aisha: Once the Prophet was bewitched so that he began to imagine that he had done a thing which in fact he had not done.

    Refutation to this idea below:

    (Qur'an 17:47)

    Only The Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers) say: "You follow none but a bewitched man."

    Qur'an Surah Al-Qalam 68:1-7

    Nun. By the pen and what they inscribe,

    You are not, [O Muhammad], by the favor of your Lord, a madman.

    And indeed, for you is a reward uninterrupted.

    And indeed, you are of a great moral character.

    So you will see and they will see

    Which of you is the afflicted [by a devil].

    Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has gone astray from His way, and He is most knowing of the [rightly] guided.

    Qur'an 53:1-5 (The Star)

    By the star when it descends,Your companion [Muhammad] has not strayed, nor has he erred,

    Nor does he speak from [his own] inclination.It is not but a revelation revealed,

    Taught to him by one intense in strength -

    Narrated Abu Sa'id al-Khudri:

    The Prophet said, "Allah never sends a prophet or gives the Caliphate to a Caliph but that he (the Prophet or the Caliph) has two groups of advisors: A group advising him to do good and exhorts him to do it, and the other group advising him to do evil and exhorts him to do it. But the protected person (Ma'soom) is the one who is protected by Allah."

    [sahih al-Bukhari Hadith: 9.306]

    Narrated Anas:

    The Prophet said, "Do not practice al-Wisal (fasting continuously without breaking one's fast in the evening or eating before the following dawn)." The people said to the Prophet, "But you practice al-Wisal?" The Prophet replied, "I am not like any of you, for I am given food and drink (by Allah) during the night." (Qala: Lastu Ka ahadin minkum).

    [sahih al-Bukhari Hadith: 3.182]

    Narrated Abdullah Ibn Umar:

    Allah's Apostle forbade al-Wisal. The people said(to him),"but you practice it?" He said, "I am not like you, for I am given food and drink by Allah." (Qala: Inni lastu mithlikum).

    [sahih al-Bukhari Hadith: 3.183]

    Narrated Abu Sa'id:

    That he had heard the Prophet saying, "Do not fast continuously (practice al-Wisal), and if you intend to lengthen your fast, then carry it on only till the Suhur (before the following dawn)." The people said to him, "But you practice (Al-Wisal), O Allah's Apostle!" He replied, "I am not similar to you, for during my sleep I have One Who makes me eat and drink." (Qala: Inni lastu ka Hay'atikum).

    [sahih al-Bukhari Hadith: 3.184]

    Narrated Aisha:

    Allah's Apostle forbade al-Wisal out of mercy to them. They said to him, "But you practice al-Wisal?" He said, "I am not similar to you, for my Lord gives me food and drink." (Qala: Inni lastu ka Hay'atikum)

    [sahih al-Bukhari Hadith: 3.185]

    Narrated Abu Huraira:

    The Prophet said twice, "(O you people) Be cautious! Do not practice al-Wisal." The people said to him, "But you practice al-Wisal?" The Prophet replied, "My Lord gives me food and drink during my sleep. Do that much of deeds which is within your ability."

    [sahih al-Bukhari Hadith: 3.187]

    Allah intends only to remove from you the impurity [of sin], O people of the [Prophet's] household, and to purify you with [extensive] purification.

    [sahih International 33:33 (The Combined Forces)]

    Narrated Ibn Abbas:

    The Messenger of Allah said (after the revelation of the verse): "Thus me and my Ahlul-Bayt are clear from sins."

    SaHeeH Muslim, Book #31, Hadith #5915

    Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) called 'Ali, Fatima, Hasan and Husain and said: O Allah, they are my family.<p>

    Sunni reference:

    • Sahih al-Tirmidhi, as quoted in:
    • al-Durr al-Manthoor, by Jalaluddin al-Suyuti, v5, pp 605-606,198 under the commentary of Verse 33:33 of Quran
    • Dala'il al-Nabawiyyah, by al-Bayhaqi
    • Others such as al-Tabarani, Ibn Mardawayh, Abu Nu'aym, etc.

    So if he believes the Prophet (sawa) can be bewitched, then show him all of the evidence against his saying. And show him that only Zalimun say that Prophet (sawa) was bewitched, is he sure he wants to believe that and become a Zalimun?

    If he believes the Prophet (sawa) wasn't bewitched, then he should re-evaluate his beliefs (Sunnism)...

    Until he understands who Muhammad (sawa) was, then how can he lecture anyone?

    He is trying to convince you of truth when his prophet is under the control of Shaytan, naudhubilah.

  10. Now you're just being rude, not to mention repeating the same rhetoric over and over again on things. You hardly even understand what it is you are even arguing against.

    Calling us "brainwashed" because we contest or just simply question a couple random hadith attributed to the Imams (which is nothing new or shocking by the way in the Shia community) is just sorry behavior.

    Imaam (as) says "Sufis are not from us"

    Sufi says "Sufis can be Shi'a"

    lol?

  11. I'm sorry if this is a basic question, but is he really?

    Yes, the family of Grand Ayatollah Muhammad Shirazi (who is in the world records for writing the most numerous of quality authoritative books) are shunned because they are strict in their beliefs against deviation. There is even evidence of assassination and foul play against him and some members of his family. You can investigate this all on your own inshallah.

    There are a group of scholars and Shi'a who love Grand Ayatollah Muhammad Shirazi & G.A. Sadiq Shirazi, but they're a minority amongst the Shi'a.

  12. Also, just in response to that other guy who made the point that just because Sufism made someone more religious it doesn't mean it's correct, I agree with this point. I was merely highlighting my personal experience and not arguing deductively. However, a point I was trying to make was that Sufism has reinforced my love for Ahlul Bayt, made me want to follow their path even better, and brought me closer to Shi'ism-- not further away from it. This idea that Shi'ism and Sufism have to somehow hate each other is a poisonous myth.

    It has been reported that our pure Infallibles (peace be upon them) condemned the one who adopts the philosophers and Sufi’s path.

    When Imam al-Sadiq (peace be upon him) was asked about Sufis, he answered: “THEY ARE OUR ENEMIES, WHOEVER IS INCLINED TOWARDS THEM THEN HE'S ONE OF THEM AND WILL BE RESURRECTED WITH THEM. There will be people who claim they love us but they are inclined towards them and they try to be like them, call themselves with their name, and say what they say, WHOEVER IS INCLINED TOWARDS THEM HE'S NOT FROM US and we are innocent from him and whoever rejects them and refutes them he's like someone who performed Jihad against the disbelievers with the messenger of Allah (peace be upon him and his pure family)” (Safinatul Bihar, by al-Muhadith al-Qummi, vol. 2, p. 57).

    MOST DANGEROUSLY, THIS SATANIC APPROACH LEADS ITS FOLLOWER TO BELIEVE IN THE CONCEPT OF ‘WAHDAT AL WUJOOD WAL MAWJOOD” AND THEREFORE TO SHIRK.

    The following Hadith of our master Imam al-Sadiq (peace be upon him) is one of the useful ways to refute this concept: “God is absolutely independent of all His creatures and all His creatures have absolutely nothing in common with Him. And to whatsoever the expression ‘thing’ is applicable is a creature except God and God is the Creator of everything, blessed is He, naught is as His likeness and He is the All-Hearing and All-Seeing”. (al-Kafi, vol. 1, p. 82).

    After reading the above, I don't know how anyone can say anything good about Sufism when the very word itself has been demonized by the Imaams (as).

    The riwayah from the Shi'a hadith are very clear, that Sufism and these philosophies are a deviation and are abhorrent.

    You can dress Wahdat al Wujud up all you want and try to make it sound like "Pure Tawheed", but you have absolutely no basis in Qur'an and Hadith to do so, and in fact are contradicted blatantly by Qur'an and Hadith.

    Honestly, after reading the above hadith, one must be very brainwashed to continue associating with Sufism in any way.

  13. I agree Izrail,

    The people who are calling for death sentences are not from us.

    Take a look at this site http://imamshirazi.com/

    You can see "peace, non-violence" articles and books written by this scholar.

    He is opposed by the majority of Shi'ites today because he is against the violence and deviation prevalent amongst too many people who call themselves Muslim.

    You are right, there are many times where the Prophet (pbuh) and `Aimmah (as) were peaceful even to their enemies and weren't calling for death, but today everyone is so hostile and bitter, it's unbelievably un-Islamic.

    This is why we're all waiting for a Savior to return, the Mahdi (ajtf) who will come with Jesus (as) and set everything right.

  14. Dawud Miqdad,

    I am reading the link in your post #56. The blog has below statement

    What do you make of this? The Imams are asking us not to reject our own narrators who are under suspicious of being under the influence from other sects?

    “Never reject a hadeeth, regardless of being narrated by a khariji , qudri , or marji attributed to us , may be it has some truth in it which you may not have grasped” Al-Kafi, Kitab-ul-Hujjat, Chapter 101, Hadith, no. 2. (Urdu Version)

    It is from Al-Kafi and I agree with the above narration. This is a problem with people who rely on Rijaal, that we have too much evidence against Rijaal in the first place.

    Here are two examples:

    Narrated Shaytan: "Allah is Ar-Rahman, Ar-Raheem"

    If we skip the text and look at the narrator, we would say "This narrator is untrustworthy! His sole purpose is to mislead mankind! Reject his narration!"

    Rather, we should look at first what is being said, and compare it to the Qur'an. Then we can compare it to other similar ahadith (which we know to be true/accurate), etc...

    But if we just study the Rijaal, then we would reject this hadith which would be rejecting the truth, which the Imaams (as) warned us against.

    Next, another example would be a trustworthy narrator saying something which contradicts the Qur'an, it doesn't matter who the person is, what is being said is contradictory to the Qur'an so we are advised to reject it immediately.

    I agree with their summary at the bottom of their article:

    The following points are clear from these hadiths:

    1. Whatsoever hadith contradicts the Qur’an is AUTOMATICALLY false, no matter who narrates it. It is from the Devil, and NEVER from ANY of the Infallibles. If it is a narration about them, then it is a fabrication about them!

    2. Whatsoever hadith agrees with the Qur’an is true, no matter who its narrators are! Also, whatever hadith agrees with the established Sunnah (i.e. hadiths that are known to be authentic as per the conditions of the Ahl al-Bayt [as]) is true, no matter its narrators, and whatsoever hadith contradicts the Sunnah is false, no matter its narrators.

    3. Whatever is not true (i.e. contradicts historical reality, science or other known facts) is NOT from the Ahl al-Bayt (as). Every one of their true sayings is historically, scientifically, factually, logically and otherwise true.

    Therefore, the first point of call of a true Shiite, while authenticating ANY hadith, is NOT its narrators. Rather, he asks whether the hadith is corroborated by the Qur’an or already established hadiths. If it is thus corroborated, it must be accepted. If either contradicts such hadith or if it contradicts reality and facts, it MUST be rejected. However, if we find no corroboration for the hadith either in the Qur’an or established Sunnah, THEN we look into the narrators!

    These are the clear instructions of the Ahl al-Bayt (as).

  15. (bismillah)

    Imam al-Askari (as) said:

    The Shia of Ali are those who follow Him in honoring the brothers in faith. Such is the above saying of Allah 'do good deeds' That means they fulfill all the obligations. Verily after believing in Tawhid, Nubuwwat, and Imamat, the most important obligation is fulfilling the rights of the brothers in faith and acting upon Taqiyya before the enemies of Allah.

    - Tafsir Imam al-Hasan al-Askari, pp 307-320

    - Bihar al-Anwar, v65, pp 154-163, Hadith #11

    The real question is can YOU handle the truth?

    Yes, and I don't reject Taqiyya. But it isn't a license to lie, and you don't cover up all of your books and reject all of the evidence and resources all over the internet when a Bakri confronts you, and you don't cause so much confusion in the Ummah that nobody even knows what Shi'ism is anymore except they think that Shi'a are all liars.

    Read my original post, because clearly you just closed your eyes and responded blindly without acknowledging any of the hadith I posted.

  16. Frankly, (and I hope no sister reads this) from your obsession with what you wrote multiple times, it appears to me there is something fishy goes on between you and Yasir Al Habib and I don't know what else you guys are sharing between the both of you.

    Are you a pedophile who accepted Islam in Jail or something. Your rant is something which does not come out from the mouth of a momin.

    Please, no need to be immature, read the following very carefully...

    Myself, and Sheikh Yasser al Habib, openly OPPOSE this fatwa allowing you to derive sexual pleasure from infants. This has been discussed on this forum a lot, and a lot of people agree with the ruling, that it is halaal to do.

    (Taken from my personal copy of al-Khomeini's TaHreer al-Waseelah (Damascus: Sufaarah al-Majhooriyyah 1418 A.H.), vol. 2, pg. 221 - 222)

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    مسألة 12 : لا يجوز وطء الزوجة قبل إكمال تسع سنين ، دواما كان النكاح أو منقطعا ، و أما سائر الاستمتاعات كاللمس بشهوة و الضم و التفخيذ فلا بأس بها حتى فى الرضيعة ، و لو وطأها قبل التسع و لم يفضها لم يترتب عليه شى‏ء غير الاثم على الاقوى ، و إن أفضاها بأن جعل مسلكى البول و الحيض واحدا أو مسلكى الحيض و الغائط واحدا حرم عليه وطؤها أبدا لكن على الاحوط فى الصورة الثانية ، و على أي حال لم تخرج عن زوجيته على الاقوى ، فيجري عليها أحكامها من التوارث و حرمة الخامسة و حرمة أختها معها و غيرها ، و يجب عليه نفقتها مادامت حية و إن طلقها بل و إن تزوجت بعد الطلاق على الاحوط ، بل لا يخلو من قوة ، و يجب عليه دية الافضاء ، و هى دية النفس ، فإذا كانت حرة فلها نصف دية الرجل مضافا إلى المهر الذي استحقته بالعقد و الدخول ، و لو دخل بزوجته بعد إكمال التسع فأفضاها لم تحرم عليه و لم تثبت الدية ، و لكن الاحوط الانفاق عليها مادامت حية و إن كان الاقوى عدم الوجوب .

    Ruling #12: It is not permission to have intercourse before (her) being 9 years old, be it in nikkaaH (permanent marriage) or temporary marriage. And As for all other pleasures such as lustful touch, embracing, and thighing, there is no problem in it even with a suckling infant. If he does have sexual intercourse before nine years of age and does not penetrate, there is no penalty, but he has committed a sin. If he does penetrate causing the vagina and urethra openings to be one, she will become forever haram for him, but this is as a precaution. And it is more probable that her status as his wife is not removed. And the rulings of inheritance, and the prohibition of a fifth wife or marriage to her sister applies. And it is waajib upon him for her maintenance as long as she is alive, even if he divorces her and even if she marries after divorcing her as a precautionary measure. And it is waajib upon him for blood money for the penetration and the amount is equivalent to that of an individual. If she is a free-woman, the amount is half that of a man, plus the dowry that she became entitled to through the `aqd and penetration. If he penetrates his wife after the age of nine, she does not become haram to him and there is no evidence that blood money is liable, but as a precautionary measure, he should maintain her as long as she is alive, although it is more probable that this is not obligatory."

  17. Are you in taqleed of President Bush. If you are not with me, then you are against me. What kind of stupid and perverted questions is this?

    Sho away man.. I'm starting to lose the little respect I had for you. You sound like on the payroll of someone from New York or Florida. If not at least do it for money, at least someone should benefit from your rant.

    What? lol two questions:

    1. Will you give your infant daughter or sister in marriage to someone who will use her to fulfill his sexual needs (as per Khomeini's fatwa)?
    2. How does my question (#1 above) make me associated with Bush, or on a payroll from New York or Florida?

  18. Oh, I think I am beginning to understand now.

    You're upset at me because I refuse to believe that it is halaal to put your penis between the thighs of an infant?

    I understand your frustration now.

    Will you allow your infant sister/daughter to be given in marriage and someone to use her for sexual purposes?

    If you say no, then you agree with me and have been insulting me out of a natural self-defense mechanism when your ideology is brought to question.

    If you say yes, then I believe you are the one who is delusional and I suggest you to see a professional psychiatrist.

  19. How about making crazy allegations without basis and refusing to talk about the topic at hand?

    She has been talking about the topic at hand, she has posted A LOT, and has had to respond to too many people, I think she deserves respect for writing so much and being open minded. I've seen her concede to several points we have made, it even appears that her opinion has changed since her original post.

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