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Kismet110

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    Kismet110 got a reaction from Aftahb in Don't Say Ya Ali Madad!   
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    Kismet110 got a reaction from Gotham in Don't Say Ya Ali Madad!   
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    Kismet110 got a reaction from power in Fatwas About Zanjeer To Sunni's   
    I been away a few days from SC but when I come back I see you spamming yet another sub-Forum with your one man crusade against zanjeerzani - are you for real?
    Seriously, who do you think gives two hoots what your personal opinion on this is? The people that do it don't care about you, the people that don't want to are already of that view and there is no in between.
    The sunnis I knew don't even care about matam/tatbir, what got their goat was (supposed) cursing of sahaba. The fanatics in various countries killing Shi'ah aren't holding up pictures of zanjeers or showing videos of tatbir to whip up the masses, they use the anti-sahaba card.
    I have no idea where you come from but in the UK/Europe the images that most damage the perception of Islam never feature zanjeerzani so stop trying to act like you've conducted some worldwide survey on the subject.
    ALI
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    Kismet110 reacted to Waiting for HIM in Fatwas About Zanjeer To Sunni's   
    Besides who cares what Sunnis think of anything about real Islam anyway.
    Tatbeer, Zanjeer, Qama all are various acts of griefs during Ashura procession and none of it is wajib.
    Wudhu is wajib, Fasting is Wajib, Hajj is wajib, Salat is wajib, all of these things that Shia do are in complete and total submission to the orders of Allah ÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì, and of the true Sunnah of RasoolAllah (pbuh).
    Sunnis on the other hand follow the sunnahs of mis-guided sahabas. Now why should we prove anything to any one, the guilty (Sunnis) needs to prove thing, not the innocently accused (Shias).
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    Kismet110 got a reaction from Marbles in Iran, Everybody's Favourite Dumping Ground   
    Only 'issue' I have is with the WeF, everything else about Iran I like and really look forward to being called by our Lord Imam Raza (as).
    ALI
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    Kismet110 got a reaction from ishq ast abul fazl in More Christian Blasphemy   
    Perverse. A (potentially) mentally impaired Christian child burns Noble Quran - mob is ready for a lynching and it gets international coverage as well as govt involvement.
    Buses are stopped and Shi'ah passengers killed (3 times in last six months) yet hardly a murmur.
    Allah (jjh) save Pakistan from itself.
    ALI
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    Kismet110 got a reaction from Kaniz e Zahra in Zanjeer(flogging) Has Ruined Hussain(a.s.) Message   
    If he revived them then how were they previously non-existent?
    <sigh> Why try to add your own personal (and non-Islamic) rule? The general ruling for men is to be covered "from knee to navel" and numerous have asked the question of the leaders - they ALL say there is no problem with it indoors or out.
    ALI
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    Kismet110 reacted to Kaniz e Zahra in Zanjeer(flogging) Has Ruined Hussain(a.s.) Message   
    Alhamdulillah, we are proud to be Her(as) cult.
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    Kismet110 reacted to Ali Hayder in Zanjeer(flogging) Has Ruined Hussain(a.s.) Message   
    Muslim men who shave, women who don't do hijab, Muslims who have girlfriends/boyfriends, people who claim to be Muslims then drink, dance, have illicit sexual relations, eat haram, lie, cheat, deceive, steal from the government, don't pray or fast, never give in charity, openly commit sins and announce them, never do the wajibat are all 'ruining the image of Islam' yet I never see threads about these issues, which are unanimously haraam/wajib.
    Yet people keep harping on about zanjeer. Some maraj'e allow it, others don't. Just follow your marj'a and get on with your life.
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    Kismet110 reacted to Follower in Zanjeer(flogging) Has Ruined Hussain(a.s.) Message   
    To be honest the only people I've heard complaining about blood letting are certain Shiites and occasionally a Muslim from another school of thought. I think a lot of people are making it a much bigger deal than it is.
    Allahu A'lam
    Allahu A'lam
    Wallahu A'lam
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    Kismet110 got a reaction from Ali Hayder in Majlis On Eid   
    This is your measured, intelligent response to support your personal viewpoint? You do know sarcasm is the LOWEST form of wit?
    Really sister, is that an appropriate comment to make about azadari?
    Good, honest comment, probably what a majority of Shiah people do anyway. I asked earlier (and got no response) should people refrain from reciting Ziyaraat e Ashura on Eid days?
    We're hung up on the trappings without thinking about the underlying reality.
    ALI
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    Kismet110 reacted to guest 34193 in Are Ismaili muslims?   
    As exemplified by this hadith found in the primary Fatimid era Isma`ili collection of hadiths, Da`a'im al-Islam. I'll quote it here in full with the hopes that Isma`ili posters in this thread actually read it, and see what their own books actually say:
    æÑæíäÇ Úä ÃÈí ÚÈÏ Çááå ÌÚÝÑ Èä ãÍãÏ Õ Ãäå ßÊÈ Åáì ÈÚÖ ÃæáíÇÆå ãä ÇáÏÚÇÉ æÞÏ ßÊÈ Åáíå ÈÍÇá Þæã ÞÈáå ããä ÇäÊÍá ÇáÏÚæÉ æÊÚÏæÇ ÇáÍÏæÏ æÇÓÊÍáæÇ ÇáãÍÇÑã æÇØÑÍæÇ ÇáÙÇåÑ
    And we have narrated from Abu `Abdillah Ja`far b. Muhammad Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã that he wrote to one of his supporters from the du`at who had written to him about the status of group before him who had impersonated the da`wat and infringed the bounds (al-hudud), permitted the prohibitions, and discarded the zhahir.
    ÝßÊÈ Åáíå ÃÈæ ÚÈÏ Çááå ÌÚÝÑ Èä ãÍãÏ Õ ÈÚÏ Ãä æÕÝ ÍÇá ÇáÞæã æÐßÑÊ Ãäå ÈáÛß Ãäåã íÒÚãæä Ãä ÇáÕáÇÉ æÇáÒßÇÉ æÕæã ÔåÑ ÑãÖÇä æÇáÍÌ æÇáÚãÑÉ æÇáãÓÌÏ ÇáÍÑÇã æÇáÈíÊ ÇáÍÑÇã æÇáãÔÇÚÑ ÇáÚÙÇã æÇáÔåÑ ÇáÍÑÇã ÅäãÇ åæ ÑÌá æÇáÇÛÊÓÇá ãä ÇáÌäÇÈÉ ÑÌá æßá ÝÑíÖÉ ÝÑÖåÇ Çááå ÊÈÇÑß æÊÚÇáì Úáì ÚÈÇÏå Ýåí ÑÌá æÅäåã ÐßÑæÇ Ãä ãä ÚÑÝ Ðáß ÇáÑÌá ÝÞÏ ÇßÊÝì ÈÚáãå Úä Ðáß ãä ÛíÑ Úãá æÞÏ Õáì æÃÏì ÇáÒßÇÉ æÕÇã æÍÌ æÇÚÊãÑ æÇÛÊÓá ãä ÇáÌäÇÈÉ æÊØåÑ æÚÙã ÍÑãÇÊ Çááå æÇáÔåÑ ÇáÍÑÇã æÇáãÓÌÏ ÇáÍÑÇã æÅäåã ÒÚãæÇ Ãä ãä ÚÑÝ Ðáß ÇáÑÌá æËÈÊ Ýí ÞáÈå ÌÇÒ áå Ãä íÊåÇæä æáíÓ Úáíå Ãä íÌåÏ äÝÓå æÃä ãä ÚÑÝ Ðáß ÇáÑÌá ÝÞÏ ÞÈáÊ ãäå åÐå ÇáÍÏæÏ áæÞÊåÇ æÅä åæ áã íÚãáåÇ
    So Abu `Abdillah Ja`far b. Muhammad Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã wrote to him after he had described the status of the group: And you have mentioned that it has reached you that they claim that salat, zakat, the fast of the month of Ramadan, hajj and `umra, the Masjid al-Haram and the Bayt al-Haram, the great rites, and the sacred month are only a man, and the ghusl from janaba is a man, and every obligation (farida) that Allah ÊÈÇÑß æÊÚÇáì has obligated upon His servant is a man. And that they mention that whoever recognizes that man then he is has been satisfied by his knowledge from that without an act, and that he has prayed, fulfilled the zakat, fasted, done hajj and `umra, done ghusl from janaba and purified, venerated the sanctities of Allah and the sacred month and the Masjid al-Haram. And that they claim that whoever recognizes that man and endures in his heart, it is permitted to him to disregard (the aforementioned obligations), and it is not upon him to struggle in himself. And that whoever recognizes that man then these bounds have been accepted from him for their time while he has not performed them.
    æÅäå ÈáÛß Ãäåã íÒÚãæä Ãä ÇáÝæÇÍÔ ÇáÊí äåì Çááå ÚÒ æÌá ÚäåÇ ÇáÎãÑ æÇáãíÓÑ æÇáÒäÇÁ æÇáÑÈÇ æÇáãíÊÉ æÇáÏã æáÍã ÇáÎäÒíÑ ÃÔÎÇÕ æÐßÑæÇ Ãä Çááå ÚÒ æÌá ÅäãÇ ÍÑã ãä äßÇÍ ÇáÃãåÇÊ æÇáÈäÇÊ æÇáÃÎæÇÊ æÇáÚãÇÊ æÇáÎÇáÇÊ æãÇ ÍÑã Úáì ÇáãÄãäíä ãä ÇáäÓÇÁ ÅäãÇ Úäì ÈÐáß äßÇÍ äÓÇÁ ÇáäÈí æãÇ Óæì Ðáß ãÈÇÍ æÈáÛß Ãäåã íÊÑÇÏÝæä äßÇÍ ÇáãÑÃÉ ÇáæÇÍÏÉ æíÊÔÇåÏæä ÈÚÖåã áÈÚÖ ÈÇáÒæÑ æíÒÚãæä Ãä áåÐÇ ÙåÑÇ æÈØäÇ íÚÑÝæäå æÃä ÇáÈÇØä åæ ÇáÐí íØÇáÈæä Èå æÈå ÃãÑæÇ
    And that it has reached you that they claim that the obscenities which Allah ÚÒ æÌá has prohibited, wine, gambling, fornication, usury, carrion, blood, and the flesh of swine, are individuals. And they have mentioned that Allah ÚÒ æÌá only forbade marriage to the mothers, daughters, sisters, paternal and maternal aunts and what He has forbidden to the believers of women, it is only meant by that marriage to the women of the Prophet and that what is apart from that is allowed. And it has reached you that they follow one another (in) the marriage (or, intercourse) to one woman and they testify (?) by falsehood one of them to another. And they claim that for this there is a zhahir and a batin (outside and inside, apparent and hidden, exoteric and esoteric) which they recognize, that the batin is what they demand and by which they are commanded.
    æßÊÈÊ ÊÓÃáäí Úä Ðáß æÚä ÍÇáåã æãÇ íÞæáæä ÝÃÎÈÑß Ãäå ãä ßÇä íÏíä Çááå ÈåÐå ÇáÕÝÉ ÇáÊí ßÊÈÊ ÊÓÃáäí ÚäåÇ Ýåæ ÚäÏí ãÔÑß ÈÇááå Èíä ÇáÔÑß ÝáÇ íÓÚ ÃÍÏÇ Ãä íÔß Ýíå à áã íÓãÚ åÄáÇÁ Þæá Çááå ÚÒ æÌá Þõáú ÅöäóøãÇ ÍóÑóøãó ÑóÈöøíó ÇáúÝóæÇÍöÔó ãÇ ÙóåóÑó ãöäúåÇ æãÇ ÈóØóäó æÞæáå Ìá ËäÇÄå æÐóÑõæÇ ÙÇåöÑó ÇáúÅöËúãö æÈÇØöäóåõ ÝÙÇåÑ ÇáÍÑÇã æÈÇØäå ÍÑÇã ßáå æÙÇåÑ ÇáÍáÇá æÈÇØäå ÍáÇá ßáå æÅäãÇ ÌÚá ÇáÙÇåÑ ÏáíáÇ Úáì ÇáÈÇØä æÇáÈÇØä ÏáíáÇ Úáì ÇáÙÇåÑ íÄßÏ ÈÚÖå ÈÚÖÇ æíÔÏå æíÞæíå æíÄíÏå ÝãÇ ßÇä ãÐãæãÇ Ýí ÇáÙÇåÑ ÝÈÇØäå ãÐãæã æãÇ ßÇä ããÏæÍÇ Ýí ÇáÙÇåÑ ÝÈÇØäå ããÏæÍ
    And you have written to me asking me about that and about their status and what they say. So I have informed you that whoever professes a religion (to) Allah by this description which you have written asking me about, then according to me he is a mushrik by Allah, a clear shirk, so no one can doubt in it. Have these ones not heard the saying of Allah ÚÒ æÌá “My Lord has only forbidden the obscenities, what is apparent from them and what is hidden” and His Ìá ËäÇÄå saying “Forsake the outward sin, and the inward”. So the zhahir of the haram and its batin are all haram, and the zhahir of the halal and its batin are all halal. And He has only made the zhahir an indicator upon the batin and the batin an indicator upon the zhahir. The one emphasizes upon the other, hardens it, strengthens it and supports it. So whatever is blameworthy in the zhahir then its batin is blameworthy, and whatever is praiseworthy in the zhahir then it is batin is praiseworthy.
    Ëã ÞÇá ÃÈæ ÚÈÏ Çááå ÌÚÝÑ Èä ãÍãÏ Õ æÇÚáã Åä åÄáÇÁ Þæã ÓãÚæÇ ãÇ áã íÞÝæÇ Úáì ÍÞíÞÊå æáã íÚÑÝæÇ ÍÏæÏå ÝæÖÚæÇ ÍÏæÏ Êáß ÇáÃÔíÇÁ ãÞÇíÓÉ ÈÑÃíåã æãäÊåì ÚÞæáåã æáã íÖÚæåÇ Úáì ÍÏæÏ ãÇ ÃãÑæÇ Èå ÊßÐíÈÇ æÇÝÊÑÇÁ Úáì Çááå æÚáì ÑÓæáå æÌÑÃÉ Úáì ÇáãÚÇÕí æáã íÈÚË Çááå äÈíÇ íÏÚæ Åáì ãÚÑÝÉ áíÓ ãÚåÇ ØÇÚÉ æÅäãÇ íÞÈá Çááå ÚÒ æÌá ÇáÚãá ãä ÇáÚÈÇÏ ÈÇáÝÑÇÆÖ ÇáÊí ÇÝÊÑÖåÇ Úáíåã ÈÚÏ ãÚÑÝÉ ãä ÌÇÁ ÈåÇ ãä ÚäÏå æÏÚÇåã Åáíå ÝÃæá Ðáß ãÚÑÝÉ ãä ÏÚÇ Åáíå æåæ Çááå ÇáÐí áÇ Åáå ÅáÇ åæ æÍÏå æÇáÅÞÑÇÑ ÈÑÈæÈíÊå æãÚÑÝÉ ÇáÑÓæá ÇáÐí ÈáÛ Úäå æÞÈæá ãÇ ÌÇÁ Èå Ëã ãÚÑÝÉ ÇáæÕí Ú Ëã ãÚÑÝÉ ÇáÃÆãÉ ÈÚÏ ÇáÑÓá ÇáÐíä ÇÝÊÑÖ Çááå ØÇÚÊåã Ýí ßá ÚÕÑ æÒãÇä Úáì Ãåáå æÇáÅíãÇä æÇáÊÕÏíÞ ÈÃæá ÇáÑÓá æÇáÃÆãÉ æÂÎÑåã
    Then Abu `Abdillah Ja`far b. Muhammad Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã said: And know that this group heard what they had not looked closely upon its reality and had not recognized its bounds. And they placed the bounds of those things by the measure of their opinion and the limit of their intellects, and did not place it upon the bounds of what they were commanded to, in denial and slander against Allah and His Messenger, and in audacity (in acting) upon the sins. And Allah did not send a prophet calling to recognition (al-ma`rifa) without there being obedience. And Allah ÚÒ æÌá only accept the act from the servant with the obligations which He has obligated upon them after the recognition of the one who brought it from Him and called them to Him. So the first of that is the recognition of the one who calls to Him, and He is Allah whom there is not god but He, He is unique, and the affirmation of His Lordship, and the recognition of the Messenger who reported about (?) from Him, and the acceptance of what he brought. Then, there is the recognition of the wasi Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã, then the recognition of Imams after the Messenger whose obedience Allah has obliged in every age and time upon his people, and faith and belief in the first of the messengers and Imams, and the last of them.
    Ëã ÇáÚãá ÈãÇ ÇÝÊÑÖ Çááå ÚÒ æÌá Úáì ÇáÚÈÇÏ ãä ÇáØÇÚÇÊ ÙÇåÑÇ æÈÇØäÇ æÇÌÊäÇÈ ãÇ ÍÑã Çááå ÚÒ æÌá Úáíåã ÙÇåÑå æÈÇØäå æÅäãÇ ÍÑã ÇáÙÇåÑ ÈÇáÈÇØä æÇáÈÇØä ÈÇáÙÇåÑ ãÚÇ ÌãíÚÇ æÇáÃÕá æÇáÝÑÚ ÝÈÇØä ÇáÍÑÇã ÍÑÇã ßÙÇåÑå æáÇ íÓÚ ÊÍáíá ÃÍÏåãÇ æáÇ íÌæÒ æáÇ íÍá ÅÈÇÍÉ Ôí Á ãäå æßÐáß ÇáØÇÚÇÊ ãÝÑæÖ Úáì ÇáÚÈÇÏ ÅÞÇãÊåÇ ÙÇåÑåÇ æÈÇØäåÇ áÇ íÌÒì ÅÞÇãÉ ÙÇåÑ ãäåÇ Ïæä ÈÇØä æáÇ ÈÇØä Ïæä ÙÇåÑ æáÇ ÊÌæÒ ÕáÇÉ ÇáÙÇåÑ ãÚ ÊÑß ÕáÇÉ ÇáÈÇØä æáÇ ÕáÇÉ ÇáÈÇØä ãÚ ÊÑß ÕáÇÉ ÇáÙÇåÑ æßÐáß ÇáÒßÇÉ æÇáÕæã æÇáÍÌ æÇáÚãÑÉ æÌãíÚ ÝÑÇÆÖ Çááå ÇáÊí ÇÝÊÑÖåÇ Úáì ÚÈÇÏå æÍÑãÇÊå æÔÚÇÆÑå
    Then, acting by what Allah ÚÒ æÌá has obligated of obedience upon the servants, on the zhahir and batin (level), and the avoidance of what Allah ÚÒ æÌá has forbidden upon them, its zhahir and its batin. And He has only forbidden the zhahir with (or, by) the batin and the batin with (or, by) the zhahir together, and the root and the branch. So the batin of the haram is haram like its zhahir, and no one is able to make halal either one of them. And the legalizing of anything from it is not permissible and not allowed. And likewise is the obedience that is obligated upon the servant to establish its zhahir and its batin, it does not suffice to establish a zhahir from it without a batin, nor a batin without a zhahir. And the zhahir salat is not permissible while abandoning the batin salat, nor is the batin salat (permissible) while abandoning the zhahir salat. And likewise is the zakat, the fast, the hajj and `umra, and all of the obligations of Allah that He has obligated upon His servant, and His sanctities and His rites.
    http://www.*******.org/hadiths/akhlaq/zhahir-and-batin-of-the-laws
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    Kismet110 reacted to Abdul Qaim in Are Ismaili muslims?   
    Actually, no it's not. Nizaris don't practice the zahiri rituals of other Muslims. Understanding the batin behind the zahir is vital, otherwise the a'maal you perform are meaningless, but Nizaris have foregone the zahir altogether, which is something the Fatimi imams and their da'is specifically forbade. Practicing the batin without the zahir is as futile as the zahir without the batin. It's like an egg without a yolk, or conversely, a yolk without an egg.
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    Kismet110 reacted to kadhim in Majlis On Eid   
    Infidel! I keel you!
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    Kismet110 got a reaction from Kaniz e Zahra in Majlis On Eid   
    This is your measured, intelligent response to support your personal viewpoint? You do know sarcasm is the LOWEST form of wit?
    Really sister, is that an appropriate comment to make about azadari?
    Good, honest comment, probably what a majority of Shiah people do anyway. I asked earlier (and got no response) should people refrain from reciting Ziyaraat e Ashura on Eid days?
    We're hung up on the trappings without thinking about the underlying reality.
    ALI
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    Kismet110 reacted to kadhim in Majlis On Eid   
    Well, to be fair, I did look up eid in Lane's Arabic Lexicon this afternoon, and he is correct that eid originates from the trisonantal rood ayn-wow-daal, which carries a cloud of meaning or "returning." But the same source of course is clear that the word eid means feast or festivity, linked to the root meaning cloud by the fact that an annual feast / festivity / festival is something you return to each year regularly.
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    Kismet110 reacted to Abu'l Khattab in Majlis On Eid   
    4 pages of discussion and not ONE narration giving to support celebrating Eid.
    Interesting.
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    Kismet110 reacted to Abu'l Khattab in Majlis On Eid   
    No, I just want to see why people claim something to be Sunnah if they can't produce any proof of it being so.
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    Kismet110 reacted to Ali Hayder in Majlis On Eid   
    "Shia gothic depressing views"? So Duas and Ziyarats were written by goths?
    ok whatever you say.
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    Kismet110 reacted to mohammad_mahdi in Majlis On Eid   
    Guys
    Guys
    Guys
    We're all friends, buddies, pals, muchachos, here.
    He about we say this. On Eid we remember Allah (SWT)/ the injustice to Ahlul Bait for a period of time and shed tears, and then we also spend time with the folks, hear dad repeat the same fishing story for the 15 millionth time, and visit extended family/friends and eat diabetes inducing baklava and share stories/jokes and basically have a good time.
    Why can't we do both? A lot of us probably do.
    I am trying to diffuse this thread, but my limited experience with this site tells me i'd be as successful as george w bush would be winning little miss sunshine
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    Kismet110 reacted to Kaniz e Zahra in Zanjeer(flogging) Has Ruined Hussain(a.s.) Message   
    I think sister Maryam has best summed up the argument in very balanced, rational, and realistic manner. It is futile exercise to drag this thread on, and on.
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    Kismet110 got a reaction from Kaniz e Zahra in Zanjeer(flogging) Has Ruined Hussain(a.s.) Message   
    Do you have evidence for this or just your own personal opinion? Because I'd venture more people have veered away from Islam by the actions of sunni terrrorists than zanjeerzani - so should we ban sunnis too?
    How about hijab, or ritual slaughter? I can't comment for where you live but in the West these have been described by the media as "barbaric", "cruel", "inhumane" and other such titles - so to appease the non-Muslims should we s[Edited Out] purdah and halaal slaughter?
    This is an absurd comment. Would (or did) any Imam (as) join a circle or line of people and beat their chests in unison whilst a nawha/latmiya was being recited? No, but is that done all over the Shi'ah world now? Yes.
    If someone cried so hard for the tragedy of Kerbala their eyes leaked blood would you suggest the person is being extreme and should refrain from such hard crying?
    But, as others said, better for OP to use the search function as it's been done to death + there is variance on the (occasionally ambiguous sounding) rulings on tatbir/zanjeerzani so people will have their view on it.
    ALI
    ALI
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    Kismet110 got a reaction from wayfarer. in Majlis On Eid   
    Why do people not think and research BEFORE making themselves look silly by calling other's 'idiots'? And, for your information, the saying "Every Day is Ashura...." has no basis in narrations from Holy Imams (as).
    People are free to remember the Ahlebayt's (as) grief any time they like. Do you people not miss or remember your personal loved ones more on special days?
    Some of the narrations related to Eid have been mentioned above and there are more. Please think before posting rather than acting like an authority on things you don't understand.
    ALI
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    Kismet110 reacted to Maryammm in Zanjeer(flogging) Has Ruined Hussain(a.s.) Message   
    Salam, if we worried what sunnis and non muslims thought about us all the time we wouldn't do anything. They find matam/latam offensive, often they even find azadari and crying offensice and weird, so what? we shouldn't do that? I think it is up to free choice, most marjas don't give a fatwa of something being categorically haram unless it is mentioned outright in Qur'an and hadeeth. Cultural expressions of grief such as zanjeer or tatbir are up to peoples free choice, and if their genuine emotion and love for Imam Hussain(AS) makes them feel like they want to express it this way, then that is up to them and if people have a problem with it then they shouldn't be so easily put off of shia Islam; and weren't that attracted to it in the first place. If they can't at least understand why love for such a pure personality as Imam Hussain(as) and his holy family and companions(as) can take someone over like this, then they don't care to know who the Imams(as) are to deserve such displays of devotion and symbolic sacrifice.
    I also think that those who do this act should make sure that they don't share blades with others and that they make sure that the blades are sanitary and that they get regular medical check ups. If they can't take these precautions, then I don't think they should do it, I also think that they should(as should all shias) donate blood in the name of Imam Hussain(as) and do other acts of charity and political activism to display the message of Imam Hussain(AS) and make a difference. I don't think that children should do it, nor should mothers or fathers do it to their children.
    At the end of the day people should be concentrating on the so called 'muslims' who go around killing innocent people by blowing themselves up, isn't that destroying yourself and a bidah? what about the execution squads that go around committing genocide against inncocent people? What about the prevention of women from going to school? and the schools being blown up? If anything is putting people off Islam then that would be it. I have never been put off of Islam or shia Islam in particular, due to seeing zanjeer or tatbir. I was logical and emotional enough to see why people would do it and even would possibly try it myself if I was a man, but for now I will stick to donating blood inshallah. We should not be apologetic for it nor embarrassed and we should face the issue head on and explain the significance and why some people do it and why some don't, and that Islam neither specifically endorses it, nor does it categorically disallow it. Explain the love and devotion that can lead to someone expressing it in this way, but also that those who don't do it don't necessarily feel less devotion or emotion, just that they aren't comfortable with it.
    I grew up in a culture that finds any particularly overt outward expression of religion embarrassing, wrong, offensive and weird. I and many other reverts to Islam have actually managed to look past our cultural pre-conceptions and understand some of the more alien beliefs of Islam and the beliefs and behaviours of many muslims whether they have been influenced by Islam or a cultural interpretation or expression of Islam; and will continue to do so inshallah. The majority of pictures that you will find online are from anti-shia websites etc, what we need to do is not to curtail peoples freedom to practice zanjeer etc, but to tackle these people who hate and misunderstand shia Islam so much that they would put such pictures on the internet, in order to discredit us and draw attention to this like it is the only aspect of shia Islam. There are many who hate us, and even if we stopped the practice of zanjeer completely it would only serve to further their agenda and make them feel happy that they defeated us in at least one area where shias can be different. It would not stop the prejudice against us, nor would it create more unity, it would just make them feel that they can pressurise us to get rid of some other aspects of shia Islam that they don't like or believe to be haram or bidah etc. In order to spread and protect shia Islam, we must be bold, confident and knowlegable and we should do more dawah and tabligh. We should ask our maraja for funds for more free books and panphlets about shia Islam and to be able to set up more grass roots out reach. The sunnis and wahabis in particular do one thing right, they do a lot of effective and widespread dawah. We need to take inspiration from this and share what we have, not try to hide it, and this will attract more people to Islam, and incase they are curious or put off by zanjeer etc, this is our oppertunity to explain and refute the claims against us, whilst also teaching about many other areas of the religion.
    Inshallah we can learn to accept one another and we can be confident in defending each others choices in regards to zanjeer etc. Salams and duas
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