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khamosh21

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    khamosh21 got a reaction from Shahrukh K in Atheists, I want to know why you believe in what you believe in.   
    alright... i haven't been able to stop thinking about this guy's analysis...  barely was able to sleep... so help me understand this... there is SOMETHING there that we are able to perceive... our mind interprets that something as different objects, or in other words our mind assigns meaning to that something like we assign meaning to China?...
    however he also says and i think you said our mind constructs reality, if we are not looking at something it stops existing... however there has to be something there for our mind to interpret it, has to have been there from before.
    also what is "consciousness" how is it defined... 
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    khamosh21 got a reaction from Hameedeh in The Problems with Satan and God’s Misguidance   
    I have a ton of problems with satan and with God’s willingness to misguide people and sincerely hoping someone can correct my understanding. This is one of the reasons I have lost faith in Islam and God.
    It is reported that satan worshipped God for thousands of years. He attained a very close position to God where he was ranked among the angels. Eventually his downfall came to due to arrogance and pride when asked to bow to Hazrat Adam. So few questions about this:
    1. For someone that has worshipped God for thousands of years and attained such nearness, how did satan manage to do this with pride and arrogance in his heart? One would think that you would need to be become jinn-e-kamil (like insan kamil) to attain such a high position with God. If getting so near to God doesn't guarantee guidance and salvation, than what does?
    a. If the answer is that initially he didn’t have this pride in him, it came out when he was asked to bow down to Adam, does this mean than that thousands of years of worship and nearness to God STILL didn’t manage to purify satan?
    2. Why has God allowed him to misguide us. All the time we hear this world is a test, it is like giving an exam. Using the same analogy, imagine a school where apart from the teacher teaching the students, there is another invisible teacher going around purposely misguiding people… how is this fair? Would anyone in their right mind consider going to such a school?
    3. It is said that God misguides those that want to be misguided… why? Why does God go out of His way, use satan, to misguide people that want it? Wouldn’t it be better to leave misguided people as they are rather than adding to their misguidance?
    4. Just how weak was Hazrat Adam that he so easily got fooled by satan? I mean he’s supposed to be a PROPHET of God, what the heck happened there? Even if we offer intepretions and say that he didn’t commit a mistake or a sin, the fact remains that satan was able to misguide him.  
    5. How does satan fit into the purpose of creating mankind?
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    khamosh21 got a reaction from shia farm girl in Atheists, I want to know why you believe in what you believe in.   
    alright... i haven't been able to stop thinking about this guy's analysis...  barely was able to sleep... so help me understand this... there is SOMETHING there that we are able to perceive... our mind interprets that something as different objects, or in other words our mind assigns meaning to that something like we assign meaning to China?...
    however he also says and i think you said our mind constructs reality, if we are not looking at something it stops existing... however there has to be something there for our mind to interpret it, has to have been there from before.
    also what is "consciousness" how is it defined... 
  4. Thanks
    khamosh21 got a reaction from eThErEaL in Atheists, I want to know why you believe in what you believe in.   
    I just watched this... oh man... this was mind blowing, I'll probably have it watch it a few times. Going to watch the one above first.
    Thanks for sharing!
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    khamosh21 got a reaction from shia farm girl in Atheists, I want to know why you believe in what you believe in.   
    I just watched this... oh man... this was mind blowing, I'll probably have it watch it a few times. Going to watch the one above first.
    Thanks for sharing!
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    khamosh21 got a reaction from shia farm girl in Justice of Allah when it comes to free will   
    Ethereal posted another video of this guy in another thread, went and found more of this stuf... this guy really blew me away... (it is in support of free will and how it works)... it addresses some of my questions:
     
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    khamosh21 got a reaction from shia farm girl in Justice of Allah when it comes to free will   
    I am admitting to it for sake of argument. I don't know if there is anything to be seen or if it is all just imaginary. I have 2 hypothesis, first that yes it's all real as depicted by Islam, and 2nd no it's imaginary - and my position is I don't know which one  is correct. I currently lean towards the latter because of all the other problems I see with Islam.
    I don't want to see these effects for the sake of seeing them. I want to see to verify what is being said as I am unable to be convinced by the intellectual arguments.
    Further I question the whole concept of keeping anything veiled or in the unseen. If the goal is to attain perfection and nearness to God, than I don't see why God has kept things hidden?
    How can I undertake a journey towards piety if I am not even convinced the things being said are true or not?
     
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    khamosh21 got a reaction from dragonxx in Justice of Allah when it comes to free will   
    I am admitting to it for sake of argument. I don't know if there is anything to be seen or if it is all just imaginary. I have 2 hypothesis, first that yes it's all real as depicted by Islam, and 2nd no it's imaginary - and my position is I don't know which one  is correct. I currently lean towards the latter because of all the other problems I see with Islam.
    I don't want to see these effects for the sake of seeing them. I want to see to verify what is being said as I am unable to be convinced by the intellectual arguments.
    Further I question the whole concept of keeping anything veiled or in the unseen. If the goal is to attain perfection and nearness to God, than I don't see why God has kept things hidden?
    How can I undertake a journey towards piety if I am not even convinced the things being said are true or not?
     
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    khamosh21 got a reaction from shia farm girl in The Problems with Satan and God’s Misguidance   
    So He was of those that covered the truth... just read the first part of my reply to Zainuu... what was he doing up in the heavens getting direct interaction with God and angels if he was of the unbelievers? this makes even less sense than before.
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    khamosh21 got a reaction from shia farm girl in The Problems with Satan and God’s Misguidance   
    This is what we are taught by the scholars. I mean why was iblees up there in the heavens and where did he come from? Quran doesn't give any back story to iblees.
     
    I understand, shaitan is anything which takes you away from God, and ibless is one particular jinn that disobeyed God as described in the Quran. Is this what you mean?
    hmm ok, so tell me than what is satan and what is iblees so that I may understand these events described in the Holy Quran.
  11. Haha
    khamosh21 got a reaction from eThErEaL in Justice of Allah when it comes to free will   
    and can we get a refund? ... because if this is God's dream, than He seems to be having a nightmare.
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    khamosh21 got a reaction from shia farm girl in Justice of Allah when it comes to free will   
    Allah can change our fate... but does it make sense?
    For example, imagine your fate is to die tomorrow.
    You pay charity, and Allah changes your death date.
    Option A - Allah didn't know you will pay the charity when He initially wrote the your death for tomorrow - this option is not possible.
    Option B - He already knew that you would pay charity, and He knew He would change the initial date He wrote - so what was the point of writing the the initial date if He already knew He would change your fate?
     
    Let me add this to the billiards analogy. Imagine you are playing this game of billiards with God. Whatever moves God makes, He knows your move already. Even though He doesn't directly influence how you will hit the ball, that is left to you - but with every move God makes, He knows exactly how you will respond - so indirectly He knows the outcome of the game and how every move of His effects you and your free will and your choices.
    This analogy can also be applied to for example nations that were destroyed by God. What was the point of creating them if they really had no chance of surviving, as God already knew the nation would eventually be destroyed. You might argue that some people gained salvation, whereas others choose to deny the truth. So it was worth it for those that were saved?
    continuation of above after this reply...
    So again the question than becomes what is God's endgame... and let me rephrase this for you in more theological terms - what is the purpose of Creation and why did God create us. I know the answers, but they don't make sense to me in the overall picture of creation. The answer typically given is to create something that has the infinite potential to know God and attain His Mercy. Amazing considering how many people will suffer extreme forms of torture for eternity. It is like the billiards game, if hell is the left side of the table, and heaven the right, than God's initial shot and every decision effects which side of the table each ball will go to.
    I don't demand to see God, as He can't be seen... I ask to see things which have the potential to be seen such as the effects of sins and worship, angels, heaven, hell, etc etc. Isn't it strange that the retribution for asking beyond intellectual proofs, beyond the words of the Prophets seemingly imaginary concepts, the retribution is punishment? what kind of Mercy is this and what type of test is this?
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    khamosh21 got a reaction from Shahrukh K in Justice of Allah when it comes to free will   
    Will drop this discussion as it is derailing the thread... but i have a number of issues, may discuss some other time
    Imagine a game of billiards/pool. Now imagine God is playing this game, and He does play the game within the limitations of the table, stick, and the rules... as this is God, it also means He knows all the infinite possibilities on how to play a slow, or fast, perfect or imperfect game, and every combination there ever can be.
    Can God sink all the balls in one hit? Yes.
    Can God all the balls into one hole? Yes.
    Can God play a turn by turn game? Yes if He wishes.
    Can God play a game where only half the balls go in and others remain on the table? Yes.
    Easy to understand so far I hope. This is where it gets interesting...
    For every decision God takes, they end up predetermining the position of all the balls. For example God decides He will break the balls slowly, He knows exactly where the remaining balls will land, and so forth. Or he hits them hard, knowing all the infinite combinations of the game.
    Now apply this to human beings. God started the universe and knew exactly what will happen from the initial shot... His every decision impacted our free will. E.g. His decision on who to choose as Prophets, when to send them. Who the Prophets married. Letting satan live to misguide us. Who to keep alive and when to let someone die. which animals to make. and every decison He takes which includes everything. Yes we have free will, but whatever decisions God takes, it impacts the game.
    So question is, what is God's end game? did He figure out a way to maximize the final output of goodness? what percentage of humanity attains what He wants? how many humans fall to hell and how many to heaven... this was predetermined from the first shot God took. you get to choose within a very limited scope, and free will is a function of knowledge + predetermined factors in your life.
     
     
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    khamosh21 got a reaction from Shahrukh K in Justice of Allah when it comes to free will   
    Allah can change our fate... but does it make sense?
    For example, imagine your fate is to die tomorrow.
    You pay charity, and Allah changes your death date.
    Option A - Allah didn't know you will pay the charity when He initially wrote the your death for tomorrow - this option is not possible.
    Option B - He already knew that you would pay charity, and He knew He would change the initial date He wrote - so what was the point of writing the the initial date if He already knew He would change your fate?
     
    Let me add this to the billiards analogy. Imagine you are playing this game of billiards with God. Whatever moves God makes, He knows your move already. Even though He doesn't directly influence how you will hit the ball, that is left to you - but with every move God makes, He knows exactly how you will respond - so indirectly He knows the outcome of the game and how every move of His effects you and your free will and your choices.
    This analogy can also be applied to for example nations that were destroyed by God. What was the point of creating them if they really had no chance of surviving, as God already knew the nation would eventually be destroyed. You might argue that some people gained salvation, whereas others choose to deny the truth. So it was worth it for those that were saved?
    continuation of above after this reply...
    So again the question than becomes what is God's endgame... and let me rephrase this for you in more theological terms - what is the purpose of Creation and why did God create us. I know the answers, but they don't make sense to me in the overall picture of creation. The answer typically given is to create something that has the infinite potential to know God and attain His Mercy. Amazing considering how many people will suffer extreme forms of torture for eternity. It is like the billiards game, if hell is the left side of the table, and heaven the right, than God's initial shot and every decision effects which side of the table each ball will go to.
    I don't demand to see God, as He can't be seen... I ask to see things which have the potential to be seen such as the effects of sins and worship, angels, heaven, hell, etc etc. Isn't it strange that the retribution for asking beyond intellectual proofs, beyond the words of the Prophets seemingly imaginary concepts, the retribution is punishment? what kind of Mercy is this and what type of test is this?
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    khamosh21 got a reaction from Zainuu in Justice of Allah when it comes to free will   
    I agree with you. Lets leave sinning out, we have a gun held to our head (punishment and hell) if we fail to do prayers and "wajib" acts of worship.
    This free will is hardly free. What is free will? your ability to choose? your ability to choose occurs based on many factors, a primary factor in this is knowledge. If you see fire, your knowledge prevents you from touching it, despite having the freedom to burn yourself if you wish.
    if sinning and worshipping have any kind of effects on us, we should have direct knowledge of this like we do of the fire, yet we are "veiled" and only handful of individuals have access to "real" knowledge, thus monopolizing their control over the masses. had God truly wanted us to be free, He would give us direct knowledge of heaven, hell, and all the realities, and THEN let us choose what path we want. That would be a fair "test". I don't get this "believe in the unseen" or you'll go to hell.
    Hell and punishment are great ways for religion to control us.
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    khamosh21 got a reaction from Ashvazdanghe in Justice of Allah when it comes to free will   
    I agree with you. Lets leave sinning out, we have a gun held to our head (punishment and hell) if we fail to do prayers and "wajib" acts of worship.
    This free will is hardly free. What is free will? your ability to choose? your ability to choose occurs based on many factors, a primary factor in this is knowledge. If you see fire, your knowledge prevents you from touching it, despite having the freedom to burn yourself if you wish.
    if sinning and worshipping have any kind of effects on us, we should have direct knowledge of this like we do of the fire, yet we are "veiled" and only handful of individuals have access to "real" knowledge, thus monopolizing their control over the masses. had God truly wanted us to be free, He would give us direct knowledge of heaven, hell, and all the realities, and THEN let us choose what path we want. That would be a fair "test". I don't get this "believe in the unseen" or you'll go to hell.
    Hell and punishment are great ways for religion to control us.
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    khamosh21 got a reaction from shia farm girl in Is the concept of Rizk in Islam contradictory?   
    “And there is no creature on the earth but on Allah is the sustenance of it.”1
    The Noble Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) said:
    “Sustenance seeks a person more intensely than his death does.”2
    Source: https://www.al-islam.org/anecdotes-reflection-part-3-sayyid-ali-akbar-sadaaqat/44-sustenance
    Sura Yunus 107
    "And if Allah should touch you with adversity, there is no remover of it except Him; and if He intends for you good, then there is no repeller of His bounty. He causes it to reach whom He wills of His servants. And He is the Forgiving, the Merciful"
    Hadith from one of 40 hadith that Imam Khomenie did an exposition of:
    https://www.al-islam.org/forty-hadith-an-exposition-second-edition-imam-khomeini/thirty-second-hadith-conviction-faith
    “Among the things pertaining to the soundness of a Muslim’s certitude [in faith] is that he would not please people while displeasing God, nor blame them for something that God has not given him. For, verily, [God’s] rizq (provision, sustenance) is not brought about by anybody’s greed, nor is it withheld by anyone’s disapproval, and were anyone of you to flee from his rizq like lie flees death, his rizq would overtake him in the way he is overtaken by death.” Then he added, “Indeed God, with His justice and fairness, has put joy and comfort in certainty (yaqin) and satisfaction (al-rida) and He has put sorrow and grief in doubt and dissatisfaction.1
    This verse shows Allah is the one increasing and decreasing the rizk. So is it He than that has made so many people poor and rich then or not?
    Provide sustenance to all creatures has been proven by the first verse posted or it doesn't? What about the hadith than?
    In my premise I haven't said that God says there will be no poverty or hunger - this is what the question is about - why is there hunger and poverty in light of these verses and hadith?
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    khamosh21 got a reaction from shia farm girl in Is the concept of Rizk in Islam contradictory?   
    Someone please show me the flaw in my thinking. Consider the following premises:
    1. God promises and guarantees the sustenance and rizk of every one of His creation as has been mentioned in the Quran and hadith.
    2. God says that if He intends something, than no one can come in His way of completing His intention.
    3. Millions live in poverty and die from hunger, e.g. estimates say 25,000 thousand people die of hunger daily.
    So how do we explain these people suffering from lack of food and rizk?
    A. God did have sustenance in mind for these poor people, however the oppressors of the world are the cause of this poverty, not God (contradicts 2, oppresors are coming in His way of something He guaranteed).
    B. God intended these people to die from hunger and be poor, this would make 1 and 2 valid, however this gives a very different interpretation to 1, and contradicts answer A.
    C. This world is a place of free will, we each strive for something, and oppressors may come in the way. (Contradicts 1 and 2).
    Thoughts?
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    khamosh21 got a reaction from shia farm girl in atheism   
    1. What if I were to argue we are another animal on this planet, just with different qualities. What proof is there that there is anything beyond this physical existence?
    2. Asking why is quite important - we can not ignore why things are the way they are... it is part of being human to ask why... "who knows" you ask, uh maybe God and the Prophet should have addressed these questions.
    Take this why example... imagine a person that causes discord between a husband a wife where it leads to divorce (they do this through lying, magic, whatever method they use) - should this person be allowed to roam free and repeat this act over and over again?
    so why is satan on the loose destroying peoples lives over and over again? I don't care if he will be punished for his actions, why is apparently a loving and just God, allowing this to take place? it's important to ask why questions.
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    khamosh21 got a reaction from shia farm girl in atheism   
    Why, what if there are situations that are out of our knowledge which it doesn't apply to? you would need complete knowledge of how things operate in order to be able to make such a claim. Extrapolating a universal law call for this. Your knowns are unable to account for everything.
     
    I'm not the least bit happy with my current situation... I wish I hadn't come to this way of thinking. Even if I were to accept the existence of a Creator, it's the rest of the religious baggage that comes with it. I can't come to terms with remaining aspects of religion as I mentioned earlier.
     
    As I mentioned earlier, I don't understand why things are veiled to begin with? because it's a test? why is there a test? to see who is the best? why? i could write a few pages if not a book on the problems i have in this area.
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    khamosh21 got a reaction from hasanhh in Why is the name Allah limited to Islam   
    i read the hadith... the hadith just tells you not to worship the name, it doesn't at all explain why God doesn't introduce Himself as the same being through history...
     
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    khamosh21 got a reaction from hasanhh in Why is the name Allah limited to Islam   
    Let me rephrase my question... why does God not introduce Himself with a single name throughout human history?
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    khamosh21 got a reaction from 313_Waiter in atheism   
    Thank you for taking the time to write a thoughtful and respectful reply. Unfortunately I don't agree with most of your arguments, or the Shiekh's, he has clearly said contradictory things. I don't want to drag out these arguments any further than they already have been dragged out. I don't see any reason to further argue with you on this, may Allah guide us.
    Please note that when I was practicing believer, I accepted the very same arguments you and @Cool have been presenting... however at this time my thinking and understanding about things have changed and unfortunately I am no longer able to find the same belief and conviction I had in these arguments.
    Best to focus on your exams, good luck!
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    khamosh21 got a reaction from shia farm girl in Why is the name Allah limited to Islam   
    Claims made by Muslims:
    1. Allah sent Prophets to all nations (mentioned in Quran)
    2. 124,000 prophets were sent to mankind (popular hadith)
    3. All Prophets came with the same message.
    4. Muslims claim the pure message sent by Allah was eventually distorted by human beings, thus the differences in religion.
    5. "Allah" is supposed to be the all comprehenseive name of God.
    Question, why is the name of God "Allah" not found throughout human history? It doesn't make sense that Allah would introduce himself with different names to different nations?
     
     
     
     
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    khamosh21 got a reaction from shia farm girl in Would you STILL worship God IF... Be Honest!   
    Remove the threat of punishment and hell, I wouldn't worship God, everything else you've mentioned would be just bonus.
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