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    khamosh21 got a reaction from Shahrukh K in The very worrying account of the Prophet's Marriages   
    it seems as if good akhlaq is reserved only for people that you guys agree with.
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    khamosh21 got a reaction from Shahrukh K in The very worrying account of the Prophet's Marriages   
    Please explain this one to me:
    "...have narrated from reliable chains of narrators from Imam Ali Reza ((عليه السلام).) that one day the Holy Prophet (S) went to the house of Zaid bin Haritha bin Sharjeel Kalbi. When he entered, he saw that the wife of Zaid was taking a bath. The Holy Prophet (S) said: “Glory be the one Who has created you.” By this statement he meant that she must consider the Almighty Allah as pure and free from the saying of infidels who say that angels are the daughters of God, as the Almighty Allah has Himself said"
    The book says it's authentic, but that in itself appears to be a fabrication. so how do i know if what's being called authentic isn't actually fabricated? how would i know the isnad itself isn't fabricated? we are talking about over 1000 years of potential tehreef!
     
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    khamosh21 got a reaction from Shahrukh K in The very worrying account of the Prophet's Marriages   
    I'm a born shia, i guess was a born shia, i definitely not assuming the above, and it is a good line of defense that I would use too when i was "believer". the above is exactly the issue I take with our history and hadith, and the above text I posted is nothing but proof of that, despite the text many times authenticating itself.
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    khamosh21 got a reaction from Eddie Mecca in The very worrying account of the Prophet's Marriages   
    don't see it happening, but thanks for your advice.
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    khamosh21 got a reaction from Shahrukh K in The very worrying account of the Prophet's Marriages   
    when there is no logical defense for our nonsensical texts, it normally comes down to this:
    1. It's weak/fabricated
    2. Personal judgements about the person asking questions, ignorant, doesn't understand, is lazy, is a sinner.
    3. Placing the burden of proof on the other.
     
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    khamosh21 got a reaction from Shahrukh K in The very worrying account of the Prophet's Marriages   
    I wish Allameh Majlisi had done his homework and not written such nonsense.
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    khamosh21 got a reaction from shadow_of_light in The very worrying account of the Prophet's Marriages   
    I wish Allameh Majlisi had done his homework and not written such nonsense.
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    khamosh21 got a reaction from Shahrukh K in The very worrying account of the Prophet's Marriages   
    c'mon man this so intellectually weak. i don't even look at hadith within the framework of authentic or non-authentic, since i doubt all hadith any way, even the so called "authentic" ones. it's difficult to explain here in writing.
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    khamosh21 got a reaction from Ashvazdanghe in Iran’s stance on Uighur Muslims in China   
    i've heard this one before. from arabs justifying normalization of ties with Israel.
    America today would not exist the way it does without China.
    However, personally I find Ayatullah Khamenie to be one of the best leaders and trust his judgement on this matter. It's a complex matter. Some things that come to mind. China is not imposing any sanctions on Iran whereas America does. Ayt Khamenie has said they are willing to work with America on certain conditions, namely lifting unjust sanctions and constant conspiracies against Iranian interests (paraphrasing here).
    and of course China hasn't broken deals whereas America/Europe have (JCPOA)
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    khamosh21 got a reaction from skylight2 in Iran’s stance on Uighur Muslims in China   
    i've heard this one before. from arabs justifying normalization of ties with Israel.
    America today would not exist the way it does without China.
    However, personally I find Ayatullah Khamenie to be one of the best leaders and trust his judgement on this matter. It's a complex matter. Some things that come to mind. China is not imposing any sanctions on Iran whereas America does. Ayt Khamenie has said they are willing to work with America on certain conditions, namely lifting unjust sanctions and constant conspiracies against Iranian interests (paraphrasing here).
    and of course China hasn't broken deals whereas America/Europe have (JCPOA)
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    khamosh21 got a reaction from Abu Nur in Iran’s stance on Uighur Muslims in China   
    This is a good analysis:
     
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    khamosh21 got a reaction from hasanhh in Iran’s stance on Uighur Muslims in China   
    even if the news about chinese muslims is totally fake, still can't see how China is also not a tyrant. they are American economy's backbone, don't have any issues with zionism, and communism in general is against any type of religion. what about the protests in Honk Kong... how is China's response there justified?
     
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    khamosh21 got a reaction from Diaz in Iran’s stance on Uighur Muslims in China   
    even if the news about chinese muslims is totally fake, still can't see how China is also not a tyrant. they are American economy's backbone, don't have any issues with zionism, and communism in general is against any type of religion. what about the protests in Honk Kong... how is China's response there justified?
     
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    khamosh21 got a reaction from Sirius_Bright in Iran’s stance on Uighur Muslims in China   
    even if the news about chinese muslims is totally fake, still can't see how China is also not a tyrant. they are American economy's backbone, don't have any issues with zionism, and communism in general is against any type of religion. what about the protests in Honk Kong... how is China's response there justified?
     
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    khamosh21 got a reaction from Ashvazdanghe in 24,000 Prophets (AS) in Al Mizan   
    Good response brother
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    khamosh21 got a reaction from Ashvazdanghe in What is the purpose of God's Khilafat on earth?   
    what about moses... the only point I was making is that if the delay in Imam's zahoor and his rule over is that God wants to show us that we need his appointed ruler, He wasn't consistent with past nations that were destroyed. As for bani israel, how well has that turned out, and this goes back to Q4 in my OP.
     
    Are you sure that from an Islamic point of view the above statement is correct? my understanding is that Islam states the purpose of the world is so that mankind and jinn and worship Him and come to know Him. Please provide proof to support the above statement (from Quran and Hadith).
     
    I used this very analogy in a recent thread, copy pasting it here:
    Imagine a loving husband and wife, they both trust and love each other, everything in their life is perfect. One day the wife decides she wants to "test" her husband's love, despite their relationship being perfect. So she hires a woman to come a tempt her husband. The husband never had any intentions of cheating on his wife, yet when tempted, he unfortunately fails the test. The husband and wife get a divorce.
    The wife in this analogy is God, and the husband us human beings. We could have had a perfect relationship with God, but for some reason He feels he needs to test us. And then when we fail his test, He threatens us with hell and punishment. The best part is that God already knows who's going to pass and fail his loyalty test, yet He still goes through with it anyway.
    I see this as a contradiction, that God wants us to love and know Him, but the exam He has given us ends up in taking many of us away from Him.
    So it's just about getting that extra good feeling? This is what this is all about and this is why we're being tested, for some good feelings and some extra gifts and presents? 
    What about when your partner fails the test? Everything was going smoothly until the test came about and ruined everything. In real terms this means potentially burning and being tortured in hell temporarily or forever. you know things like hanging women from their hair and putting spears through their breasts... or getting a rock smashed on your head for missing fajr prayers etc. what an amazing and beautiful system isn't it? don't you just want to fall in sajda when you hear this? (being sarcastic in case you haven't noticed).
    (side note: Has God ever suffered? Has He ever felt pain of any sort? If not, do you think it's fair to unnecessarily create a creation which has to suffer and potentially experience pain for eternity?)
    Totally agree.
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    khamosh21 got a reaction from Mohamad Abdel-Hamid in Capitalizing on Ignorance - Part 2   
    sure brother, thanks for taking time to reply... will see if i ever get around to replying, but i'd much rather talk in real terms rather than continuing to point out the flaws in these analogies or having to revise them, and that's not the point of the discussion.
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    khamosh21 got a reaction from F.M in What is the purpose of God's Khilafat on earth?   
    1. Strange that God didn't have this plan to "prove all humanity... that we arent able to be righteous leaders" when he constantly destroyed nations in the past.
    2. Let's go with your argument. Eventually the world is now ready to accept God's leadership, the mahdi and Prophet Esa return, they establish the said khilafat that God wanted, now human beings are reaching the stars etc. As I replied above to someone else, for what purpose if everything and everyone is to be destroyed and the ultimate life is in the hereafter?
    3. How does the goal of khilafat on earth reconcile with our final resting place heaven/hell?
    and this isn't directly related to this topic... but think about this, the purpose of sending Adam/human  here is to establish a khilafat, and let's be clear, a temporary khilafat since the world will end...  for a universe which has been created for the love of Ahlulbayt, for a creation who's purpose is to know Allah, but also has to go through tests and suffering, but must undergo oppression under the hands of tyrants, also prepare for the arrival of the Mahdi who no one knows when he will show up, so that humanity can finally accept God's rule, and once they do, now this whole mess of a universe can be destroyed and people can be rewarded with heaven or hell...  and through all of this we are supposed to use our intellect to prove and understand arabic sayings of people that lived well over a 1000 years ago with all the distortions of history and multiple sects...
    have you heard of mormons and how their beliefs have come about, it's a fascinating read
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    khamosh21 got a reaction from Shahrukh K in What is the purpose of God's Khilafat on earth?   
    "And (remember) as your Lord said to the Angels, "Surely I am making in the earth a successor." They said, "Will You make therein one who will corrupt in it and shed blood (Literally: bloods) while we (are the ones who) extol (with) Your praise and call You Holy? Literally: hallow for you)" He said, "Surely I know whatever you do not know."
    Few questions about this concept:
    1. What exactly does it mean when Allah says he is placing/making a khalifa on earth? Literally why did He do this?
    2. Earth is a small piece of crumb in this massive universe, before human beings it has been populated by dinosaurs and many other species. Why did God want a Khalifa here? What is earth?
    3. Why place a Khalifa on earth?
    4. Is God's plan for a khalifa a failure? I mean 124,000 prophets, countless saints and religious figures, yet the world continues to be full of suffering and pain? WHERE is the Khalifa and the plan to place a Khalifa?
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    khamosh21 got a reaction from Shahrukh K in Capitalizing on Ignorance - Part 2   
    I have been through number 1... and unfortunately they didn't really help resolve my issues, only further made things difficult. I was actually a believer before I started studying formal logic and philosophy... it's actually studying logic and philosophy that has got me here.
    as for your "earn it" answer:
    you didn't get my reply. imagine i am a well known honest person in society. I come to you with a closed briefcase and following ensues:
    Me: do you trust me?
    You: yes of course I do. you are well known to be a good person.
    Me: inside this briefcase is a $1 billion dollars, a very wealthy King gave it to me.  To earn this money you have to work for me.
    You: Can I see the money?
    Me: but don't you trust me?
    You: I do, but what harm is there in you letting me see this money?
    Me: The king only showed it to me, if you want to see what's inside, earn it.
    You see most believers (of any religion, not only Islam) believe in anything based on trust. They trust in their ancestors and history. Some venture into logic and philosophy and become satisfied with "logical arguments". Some become satiated with historical narratives.
    Another example of trust. Just check out all of the supernatural stories revolving around the "urafa", people like Ayatullah Behjat and others similar to him. I used to love these stories and totally trusted that they were real. The Quran states if you are truthful, bring your proof. So, bring your proof if any person has any supernatural ability... sadly there is no way to prove these things, you just have to trust the stories.
    I do not consider my state to be enlightenment, it's actually quite painful because I loved Islam and God. I used to love praying and crying, I used to spend nights and days communicating to God. I wish there was a way to go back. but when I look at those experiences now, I can't prove to myself if what I experienced was real or just based on my beliefs and trust.

     
     
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    khamosh21 got a reaction from AbdusSibtayn in Capitalizing on Ignorance - Part 2   
    Similar to the thread previous to this, I will start by stating the pattern that I’m seeing emerging is Islamic arguments are primarily based on “arguments from ignorance” combined with something that we have some understanding of. Here I use the concept of supplications to explain my point.

    An easier way to explain what I’m saying is to take the idea of earthquakes. Before we understood why earthquakes occur, we would say it’s God’s punishment. Specially in the past if towns/cities were destroyed by earthquakes, the reason would be because God punished them for some wrong they were doing (and most people are doing something evil in every town, so it becomes even easier to blame them). If not punishment we assign the label of a “test”. Today we understand that earthquakes occur due to movement of plates, and occur regardless of people being good or bad. Similarly religion attempts to provide reasons and rationalizations for evil/suffering to help us feel better… normally ignoring the actual causes behind it.

    Here is another example. Imagine 2 people, an atheist and born muslim. Both go to the same school and become really good friends. Both of them like similar subjects, they excel in their studies and both apply to the same medical schools to become doctors. The Muslim supplicates and prays to get admitted. His parents tell him to read ziarat Ashura and salatul layl, they tell him he should say a nazr that he will go for ziarat if his wishes are accepted by God, and so on. He does some of this and eventually he does get admitted to medical school. He feels that God accepted his prayers, and thus he continues with these ziarats and prayers, hoping for material as well as rewards in the hereafter.

    The atheist friend also gets admitted into medical school. The reason why both get admitted to medical school is that they were both excellent students that worked hard and met the requirements of the school. There was no correlation to the ziarats and prayers… however since religion relies so heavily on arguments from ignorance, we start thinking our prayers have some type of powers. We ignore the actual causes and effects, and attribute them to supernatural causes because we “believe” and don’t actually “know”.

    In the above example a number of combinations could have been derived. Suppose the muslim didn’t get admitted because he didn’t meet the requirements, or there wasn’t enough space in the school, or the admission director is racist, etc, whatever the cause… if he were to ask why God didn’t accept his prayers, just to make him feel better, he would be given other justifications such as it wasn’t the best for you, God knows better, everything happens for the best… when in reality the causes and effects are not supernatural. Just like an earthquake.

    Let’s simplify it even further. Suppose I flip a coin and pray it lands on heads every time. Naturally roughly around 50% of time, my prayer will work and won’t work. With prayers we are normally already working towards the goal we are praying for, so chances increase that the goal may be achieved (and prayer is “answered”). However the atheist that never prays has the same chances to attain their goals, without the use of repetitive Arabic phrases, because the underlying cause and effect at work is not connected to the prayer. If it is connected, how would you prove it?

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    khamosh21 got a reaction from inneedofprayers in Who created this world ?   
    this is the worst game i've ever played and i want my money back. 
    if this is a dream, it's a nightmare.
    try telling someone a child who's been kidnapped and gets gang raped this is a game... see how they react.
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    khamosh21 got a reaction from starlight in Praying Witr Sitting Down   
    all recommended prayers i.e. those not wajib, can be prayed sitting down, walking, driving etc, without any excuse:
     
    "6. The nafila prayers can be offered in the sitting position also but it is better to consider two rakats offered in sitting position equivalent to one rakat offered standing."
     
    "11. Recommended prayers can be offered while one is walking or on a vehicle and if one recites the recommended prayers in these two positions it is not necessary that he should face the Qibla.
    12. Recommended prayers can be offered standing, sitting, lying down or walking. In these same positions the ruku and sajdah can be performed by gesturing with the head, but one should try to face the Qibla.
    13. Motionlessness of the body is not a necessary condition in recommended prayers. And if one forgetfully increases or decreases a rukn the prayer is not invalidated."
     
    http://www.duas.org/mustnafioth.htm
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    khamosh21 got a reaction from iCenozoic in Did Islam/religion always exist?   
    that's the conclusion you've reached, and that's fine.
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    khamosh21 got a reaction from iCenozoic in Did Islam/religion always exist?   
    Muslims opposition to evolution appears to be very similar to christians opposition to galileo and science in the middle ages.
    the evidence for evolution being the way creation came about is overwhelming. evolution can be seen in the formation of stars, planets, mountains, rivers etc. Nothing just snapped into existence, we can see everything goes through a process. we just don't see animals or other existing things popping into existence.
    some muslims who accept the evolution say it is "guided" evolution i.e it's the process God used to bring about living beings.
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