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Where have I sad the latter part of your statement?

I don't think I get the reasoning. Considering that I can imagine far worse crimes currently than rape, and I'm thankful that majority of humanity is not committing those crimes. What I'm asking is why God has kept rewards and punishment for actions hidden from us and expects us to just believe in certain people about them? What benefit does it serve IF THE PURPOSE OF CREATION is to reach perfection? I find Prophethood to be an extremely inefficient method to deliver the truth... by Prophethood I mean the idea that less than .0001% of humanity gets knowledge of reality and the rest

Getting some free time to reply finally. Sure... but this only brings us back to actually not knowing... regardless if we ask how or why. Your example of your great great ancestors only works so far. We don't know how or why humans have come about... for example there is the theory of evolution, there is the theory of Adam and Eve... ultimately I just don't know. I don't see why I have to force myself to believe in something which is only being proved through deduction. I mean is there any proof of Adam and Eve existing? The only proof is believing in what the Prophet said. It's

feeling the rapport between us... will iA reply when i have time...

This verse also: Indeed, We offered the Trust to the heavens and the earth and the mountains, and they declined to bear it and feared it; but man [undertook to] bear it. Indeed, he was unjust and ignorant. Saheeh International (33:72) This almost as confusing as the above verse - What does the "trust" refer to... "man" refers to who/what here? All of mankind, one man, some men? I mean does it include the Prophets and Imams, as they are counted among men right? So we're all unjust and ignorant for taking on this trust? Why offer the trust to begin with? Good luck with all the i

Shakir: And when your Lord brought forth from the children of Adam, from their backs, their descendants, and made them bear witness against their own souls: Am I not your Lord? They said: Yes! we bear witness. Lest you should say on the day of resurrection: Surely we were heedless of this. (7:172) This is the verse he uses... conveniently we have forgotten this event... pretty strong contradiction, because I'm definitely "heedless of this" and have yet to meet anyone that remembers this. People manage to remember their past lives, but this very important event... nope, God wiped it from o

If i were to explain the above, I would say that everything God has created is good, as long as it's used as it is supposed to be within limits. For example, food is good, but too much food can lead to bad health. Lust is good as it helps with reproduction of species and marriage, but lust is really bad when used for rape etc. Anger is good when used within it's limit. So there really is nothing that is inherently "evil", it is the misuse of it which makes it bad. So I don't have any issues with above argument. I get really stuck when I start thinking about why God has allowed misuse

This is the beauty of the Quran, you can interpret it however you like to suit your argument... you can't lose!

Also i think you are getting confused with the word "circle" here. This is just a name given to a type of fallacy (a fallacy is a contradiction). We are not literally referring to the shape. so we have no issues with circles in geometry etc. Here is another example that some christians use. Q: How do you know God exists? A: Because the Bible says He does. Q: How do you know the bible is correct? A: Because God said it's correct.

i am the accused brother here lol... bro i'm sorry if my messages caused any kind of offence, and sure maybe i was wrong... so no worries, i also want to learn. please understand what circular reasoning is. here is an example, this is a direct quote from Trump; "The news is fake because so much of the news is fake." This sentence does not explain why the news is fake, thus it is a logical fallacy i.e. does not makes sense, our aql doesn't accept this, it needs more evidence or reasoning. When you talk about, waking and sleeping, or eating and hunger, these are cyclical

i already knew you were desi ;) just got confirmation

i actually want to know what experts like ibn Arabi have said about this topic, and really not that interested in replies from non-experts (myself included) that are giving their best attempts.

The above are not arguments, you are describing cycles... within the framework of logic, we are strictly speaking about circular arguments. Bro i'm not about to give you basic logic (mantiq) lessons... please note logic is subject studied by all of shia ulema and used thoroughly in many islamic fields of study. Mantiq Muzaffar for example is a required subject in howza.

i agree with the contrast part, but please explain how any of the above fit the criteria of "circular reasoning" as understood within the subject of logic?

those unaware of the truth does not equal "everyone knows him"