Al-MuHammadee

Strange that Sunnees are avoiding this thread. Well, in any case, this is only my farewell thread on ShiaChat, and THIS is my farewell post. Thanks to all the brothers and sisters. Wa salaam ‘alaikum wa rahmatullaah wa baarakatuh.

@ Merdan, I think the honourable thing for you to do is to, at least, read Sawaaiq al-Muhriqah online. It is available on trusted websites. Just search for it, and read it, rather than write ignorantly. And, of course, I cannot see where the man defends Soofees. He believes that Imaam ‘Alee (as) and his Shee‘ah are the saved sect, based on a mutawaatir Sunnee hadeeth. However, rather than accept the obvious, he twisted facts and claimed that Sunnees are the Shee‘ah of ‘Alee (as)!

No. I have heard this claim from some desperate Sunnees (and they also link an ignorant article on islamqa). But, whoever is familiar with the Sunni hadeeth masters knows the ignorance of those people. In fact, there are several Sunnee scholars that only grade hadeeths through the chains, like those in the OP.

He is a Sunnee.

He is only a pretender.

He says he now loves all the Sahaabah. Did you read his words properly? And how exactly does he believe in the Imaamah of the Imaams (as)? How? Could you elaborate?

(salam) This thread is a special call to both Ibrāhīm786 and just the truth of this forum. I have noticed that both Ibrāhīm786 and just the truth are deeply influenced by the notorious Sunnī myths about the superiority, righteousness and holiness of all the Ṣaḥābah without exception. As such, one sees them defending Abū Bakr, ‘Umar and especially Mu’āwiyah. In this thread, I want to break all these myths, but as briefly as humanly possible. So, I seek Allāh’s Help and Support. MYTH ONE: THE ṢAḤĀBAH ARE THE BEST OF THIS UMMAH Is it true that the Ṣaḥābah are the best of this Ummah? We will let the Messenger of Allāh (pbuh) answer. Imām Aḥmad b. Ḥanbal records in his al-Musnad, (Cairo: Muasassah al-Qurṭuba) [annotator: Shu’ayb al-Arnaūt], vol. 4, p. 106, #17017: ÍÏËäÇ ÚÈÏ Çááå ÍÏËäí ÃÈí ËäÇ ÃÈæ ÇáãÛíÑÉ ÞÇá ËäÇ ÇáÃæÒÇÚí ÞÇá ÍÏËäí ÇÓíÏ Èä ÚÈÏ ÇáÑÍãä ÞÇá ÍÏËäí ÕÇáÍ Èä ãÍãÏ ÞÇá ÍÏËäí ÃÈæ ÌãÚÉ ÞÇá : ÊÛÏíäÇ ãÚ ÑÓæá Çááå Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÓáã æãÚäÇ ÃÈæ ÚÈíÏÉ Èä ÇáÌÑÇÍ ÞÇá ÝÞÇá íÇ ÑÓæá Çááå åá ÃÍÏ ÎíÑ ãäÇ ÃÓáãäÇ ãÚß æÌÇåÏäÇ ãÚß ÞÇá äÚã Þæã íßæäæä ãä ÈÚÏßã íÄãäæä Èí æáã íÑæäí Narrated Abū Jumu’ah: Once we had lunch with the Messenger of Allāh, peace be upon him. Abu `Ubaydah, who was with us, said, “O Messenger of Allāh! IS THERE ANYONE BETTER THAN US? We embraced Islām with you and performed Jihād with you.” He said, “YES, THEY ARE A GROUP WHO WILL COME AFTER YOU, WHO WILL BELIEVE IN ME ALTHOUGH THEY DID NOT SEE ME.'' ‘Allāmah Shu’ayb al-Arnaūt states about this ḥadīth: ÍÏíË ÕÍíÍ A ṣaḥīḥ ḥadīth Note the question to the Prophet: íÇ ÑÓæá Çááå åá ÃÍÏ ÎíÑ ãäÇ O Messenger of Allāh! IS THERE ANYONE BETTER THAN US? If you put the same question to any Sunnī today, or Ibrāhīm786 or just the truth, he would say “no”. But, look at the response of the Messenger: äÚã Þæã íßæäæä ãä ÈÚÏßã íÄãäæä Èí æáã íÑæäí YES, THEY ARE A GROUP WHO WILL COME AFTER YOU, who will believe in me although they did not see me. In very simple words, there are people better than the Ṣaḥābah among the post-Ṣaḥābah generations of Islām, including even today. In fact, the righteous Muslims of our generation are rewarded 50 times better than the average Ṣaḥābī! ‘Allāmah al-Albānī records in his al-Silsilah al-Aḥādīth al-Ṣaḥīḥah (Riyadh: Maktabah al-Ma’ārif), vol. 1, p. 892, # 494 that the Prophet said to his Ṣaḥābah: Åä ãä æÑÇÆßã ÃíÇã ÇáÕÈÑ ááãÊãÓß Ýíåä íæãÆÐ ÈãÇ ÃäÊã Úáíå ÃÌÑ ÎãÓíä ãäßã . ÞÇáæÇ : íÇ äÈí Çááå ! Ãæ ãäåã ¿ ÞÇá : Èá ãäßã “Verily, after you, there will be days of patience (i.e. hardship and severe temptations, requiring lots of patience). Whosoever, in those days, holds fast to what you ARE upon will have the reward of FIFTY of YOU.” They said, “O Prophet of Allāh! Or, fifty of THEM?” He (the Prophet) said, “Rather, fifty of YOU.” ‘Allāmah al-Albānī says: ÕÍíÍ Ṣaḥīḥ These realities have also been confirmed in the Book of Allāh. Allāh revealed an entire surah in the Qur’ān about them: æóÅöÐóÇ ÑóÃóæúÇ ÊöÌóÇÑóÉð Ãóæú áóåúæðÇ ÇäúÝóÖøõæÇ ÅöáóíúåóÇ æóÊóÑóßõæßó ÞóÇÆöãðÇ Þõáú ãóÇ ÚöäúÏó Çááøóåö ÎóíúÑñ ãöäó Çááøóåúæö æóãöäó ÇáÊøöÌóÇÑóÉö æóÇááøóåõ ÎóíúÑõ ÇáÑøóÇÒöÞöíäó And when they saw some merchandise or some amusement they dispersed headlong to it, and left you standing. Say: “That which Allāh has is better than any amusement or merchandise! And Allāh is the Best of providers.” Qur’ān 62:11 Imām al-Bukhārī in his Ṣaḥīḥ (Beirut: Dār Ibn Kathīr; 3rd edition, 1407 H) [annotator: Dr. Muṣtafā Dīb al-Baghā], vol. 1, p. 316, # 894 records why this verse was revealed: ÍÏËäÇ ÌóÇÈöÑõ Èä ÚÈÏ Çááøóåö ÞÇá ÈóíúäóãóÇ äóÍúäõ äõÕóáøöí ãÚ ÇáäÈí Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÓáã ÅöÐú ÃóÞúÈóáóÊú ÚöíÑñ ÊóÍúãöáõ ØóÚóÇãðÇ ÝóÇáúÊóÝóÊõæÇ ÅöáóíúåóÇ ÍÊì ãÇ ÈóÞöíó ãÚ ÇáäÈí Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÓáã ÅáÇ ÇËúäóÇ ÚóÔóÑó ÑóÌõáðÇ ÝóäóÒóáóÊú åÐå ÇáúÂíóÉõ : }æÅÐÇ ÑóÃóæúÇ ÊöÌóÇÑóÉð Ãæ áóåúæðÇ ÇäúÝóÖøõæÇ ÅöáóíúåóÇ æóÊóÑóßõæßó ÞóÇÆöãðÇ{ Narrated Jābir b. ‘Abd Allāh: While we were offering Ṣalāh with the Prophet, peace be upon him, some camels loaded with food, arrived. The people diverted their attention towards the camels, and ONLY TWELVE PERSONS REMAINED with the Prophet, peace be upon him. So this verse was revealed: {And when they saw some merchandise or some amusement they dispersed headlong to it, and left you standing} Is it not shocking?! The Ṣaḥābah were probably hundreds, if not thousands, including the most senior of them, being led by the Messenger of Allāh, in (Jumu’ah) Ṣalāh. YET, they broke their Ṣalāh and rushed out for amusement and merchandise!!! These people actually showed a complete lack of respect for Allāh, His Messenger and the Ṣalāh itself. They bared their preference of amusement and merchandise over worship of Allāh. For whosoever cares to defend them, can YOU do what they did? If the Prophet were leading you in Ṣalāh, would you rush out to join amusement and merchandise outside if indeed you have any real īmān? If you cannot do what they did, does this mean that you are better than those Ṣaḥābah in īmān? Now, how can these people who abandoned Ṣalāh behind the Messenger of Allāh (pbuh) and rushed to dance and trade be the best of this Ummah? Woe to this Ummah if such were the case! MYTH TWO: THERE WERE NO HYPOCRITES AMONG THE ṢAḤĀBAH Hypocrites are the worst of Allāh’s entire creation. They are even worse than kuffār in the sight of Allāh. This is why Allāh has stated that they will be in the worst places in Hellfire: Åöäøó ÇáúãõäóÇÝöÞöíäó Ýöí ÇáÏøóÑúßö ÇáúÃóÓúÝóáö ãöäó ÇáäøóÇÑö æóáóäú ÊóÌöÏó áóåõãú äóÕöíÑðÇ Verily, the hypocrites will be in the lowest depth (grade) of the Fire; no helper will you find for them. Qur’ān 4:145 Hypocrisy is of two types: hypocrisy by īmān and hypocrisy by deeds. The latter is much easier to understand. Whoever lies, breaks his promises, or betrays, a lot is a hypocrite by deeds. However, whosoever doubts in Allāh, or any of His messengers (as), or hates Imām ‘Alee or any of the Ahl al-Bayt (as), is a hypocrite by īmān. With regards to the first type of hypocrisy, Imām al-Tirmidhī, in his al-Jāmi’ al-Ṣaḥīḥ Sunan al-Tirmidhī (Beirut: Dār Iḥyā al-Turāth al-‘Arabī) [annotator: Muḥammad Nāṣir al-Dīn al-Albānī], vol. 5, p. 643, #3736, records this relevant ḥadīth: Úä ÚÏí Èä ËÇÈÊ Úä ÒÑ Èä ÍÈíÔ Úä Úáí ÞÇá : áÞÏ ÚåÏ Åáì ÇáäÈí ÇáÃãí Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÓáã Ãäå áÇ íÍÈß ÅáÇ ãÄãä æáÇ íÈÛÖß ÅáÇ ãäÇÝÞ Narrated ‘Alī: Verily, the al-Ummī Prophet (i.e. Muḥammad), peace be upon him, gave me a covenant saying: “NONE loves you except a believer, and NONE hates you except a hypocrite”. ‘Allāmah al-Albānī says: ÕÍíÍ Ṣaḥīḥ ‘Allāmah al-Albānī also records in his al-Silsilah al-Aḥādīth al-Ṣaḥīḥah (Riyadh: Maktabah al-Ma’ārif), vol. 5, p. 643, # 2488 this ṣaḥīḥ ḥadīth from the Prophet: æÇáÐí äÝÓí ÈíÏå áÇ íÈÛÖäÇ Ãåá ÇáÈíÊ ÃÍÏ ÅáÇ ÃÏÎáå Çááå ÇáäÇÑ I swear by the One in Whose Hand my life is, NONE hates us Ahl al-Bayt except that Allāh enters him or her into Hellfire. ‘Allāmah al-Albānī says: ÕÍíÍ Ṣaḥīḥ Furthermore, every hypocrite by īmān is necessarily also a hypocrite by deed, in line with Allāh’s Statement: Çááøóåõ íóÔúåóÏõ Åöäøó ÇáúãõäóÇÝöÞöíäó áóßóÇÐöÈõæäó Allāh bears witness that ALL HYPOCRITES ARE LIARS INDEED. Qur’ān 63:1 However, not every hypocrite by deed is necessarily a hypocrite by īmān. The strongest and clearest sign to recognize a hypocrite is hatred of Imām ‘Alī (as). In fact, the Ṣaḥābah, as knowledgeable and careful as they were, found it impossible to easily catch the hypocrites among themselves except through it. Imām Aḥmad for instance records in his Faḍāil al-Ṣaḥābah (Beirut: Muasassat al-Risālah; 1st edition, 1403 H) [annotator: Dr. Waṣiyyullāh Muḥammad ‘Abbās], vol. 2, p. 579, # 979: ÍÏËäÇ ÚÈÏ Çááå ÞÇá ÍÏËäí ÃÈí ÞËäÇ ÇÓæÏ Èä ÚÇãÑ ÞËäÇ ÅÓÑÇÆíá Úä ÇáÃÚãÔ Úä ÃÈí ÕÇáÍ Úä ÃÈí ÓÚíÏ ÇáÎÏÑí ÞÇá : ÅäãÇ ßäÇ äÚÑÝ ãäÇÝÞí ÇáÃäÕÇÑ ÈÈÛÖåã ÚáíÇ Narrated Abū Sa’īd al-Khudrī: “We used to recognize the hypocrites among the Anṣār ONLY through their hatred of ‘Alī.” The annotator, Dr. Waṣiyyullāh Muḥammad ‘Abbās, states: ÅÓäÇÏå ÕÍíÍ Its chain is Ṣaḥīḥ. Imām Ahmad further records in the same book, vol. 2, p. 639, # 1086: ÍÏËäÇ ÚÈÏ Çááå ÞËäÇ Úáí Èä ãÓáã ÞËäÇ ÚÈíÏ Çááå Èä ãæÓì ÞÇá ÃäÇ ãÍãÏ Èä Úáí ÇáÓáãí Úä ÚÈÏ Çááå Èä ãÍãÏ Èä ÚÞíá Úä ÌÇÈÑ Èä ÚÈÏ Çááå ÞÇá : ãÇ ßäÇ äÚÑÝ ãäÇÝÞíäÇ ãÚÔÑ ÇáÃäÕÇÑ ÅáÇ ÈÈÛÖåã ÚáíÇ Narrated Jābir b. ‘Abd Allāh: “We NEVER recognized the hypocrites among the Anṣār EXCEPT through their hatred of ‘Alī”. The annotator says: ÅÓäÇÏå ÍÓä Its chain is ḥasan (good) Both Abū Sa’īd al-Khudrī and Jābir b. ‘Abd Allāh were from the Anṣār, and were only specific about their own group. However, the rule and reality are general. These ḥadīths are very crucial, and establish a number of VERY important points: 1. There were hypocrites among the Anṣār, and all the Anṣār were Ṣaḥābah. Therefore, there were hypocrites among the Ṣaḥābah. 2. The best tool for identifying the hypocrites among the Ṣaḥābah was through their hatred of Imām ‘Alī. All the other tools tried by the faithful Ṣaḥābah did not work except when they started judging their fellows through their naṣb (i.e. hatred of Imām ‘Alī). 3. There were Nawāṣib (haters of Imām ‘Alī) among the Ṣaḥābah. In fact, according to Shaykh al-Islam al-Umawī Ibn Taymiyyah, in his Minhāj al-Sunnah al-Nabawiyyah (Muasassah al-Qurṭubah; 1st edition, 1406 H) [annotator: Dr. Muḥammad Rashād Sālim], vol. 7, p. 137-138, the majority of the Ṣaḥābah were actually Nāṣibī hypocrites: æóáóãú íóßõäú ßóÐóáößó Úóáöíøñ¡ ÝóÅöäøó ßóËöíÑðÇ ãöäó ÇáÕøóÍóÇÈóÉö æóÇáÊøóÇÈöÚöíäó ßóÇäõæÇ íõÈúÛöÖõæäóåõ æóíóÓõÈøõæäóåõ æóíõÞóÇÊöáõæäóåõ. This was not the case for ‘Alī. This is because the MAJORITY of the Ṣahābah and Tābi’īn HATED, CURSED and FOUGHT him. Among these Nawāṣib was Mu’āwiyah. Al-Ḥāfiz Ibn Kathīr in his al-Bidāyah wa al-Nihāyah (1st edition, 1419 H) vol. 17, p. 375 states: æåßÐÇ ÎáÝÇÁ Èäí ÃãíÉ … æßáåã ÞÏ ßÇä äÇÕÈíÇð ÅáÇ ÇáÅãÇã ÚãÑ ÇáÊÞíÇ: ãÚÇæíÉ Ëã ÇÈäå íÒíÏ, æÇÈä ÇÈäå ãÚÇæíÉ ÇáÓÏíÏ, ãÑæÇä Ëã ÇÈä áå ÚÈÏ Çáãáß…. The Khalīfahs from Banū Umayyah were like this … ALL OF THEM were Nāṣibīs, except Imām ‘Umar the Pious: Mu’āwiyah, then his son Yazīd, then his grandson Mu’āwiyah al-Sadīd; Marwān, then his son ‘Abd Al-Male …. Imām Al-Dhahabī confirms this: Ëã äæÇÕÈ: æåã ÇáÐíä ÍÇÑÈæÇ ÚáíÇð íæã ÕÝíä¡ Then the Nawāṣib, and they were those who fought ‘Alī on the Day of Ṣiffīn (i.e. Mu’āwiyah and his army). In line with the Qur’ān and Sunnah, all these Nāṣibī Ṣaḥābah will be in the worst part in Hellfire, forever, and have been cursed by Allāh: æóÚóÏó Çááøóåõ ÇáúãõäóÇÝöÞöíäó æóÇáúãõäóÇÝöÞóÇÊö æóÇáúßõÝøóÇÑó äóÇÑó Ìóåóäøóãó ÎóÇáöÏöíäó ÝöíåóÇ åöíó ÍóÓúÈõåõãú æóáóÚóäóåõãõ Çááøóåõ æóáóåõãú ÚóÐóÇÈñ ãõÞöíãñ Allāh has promised the hypocrites, men and women, and the disbelievers, the Fire of Hell, therein shall they abide FOREVER. It will suffice them. Allāh has CURSED them and for them is the lasting torment. Qur’ān 9:68 I find it so strange that Sunnīs consider these Nāṣibī hypocrites to be the best of this Ummah!!! How can Nāṣibīs be better than faithful believers? How can Nāṣibīs ever be in Paradise EVER?! How can we not curse these Nāṣibī hypocrites? MYTH THREE: THE ṢAḤĀBAH WERE NOT HERETICS AND APOSTATES Sunnīs take their religion from the Ṣaḥābah. This naturally makes the latter the heart of their religion. If the Ṣaḥābah collapse, Sunnī Islām goes down with them. This is why we see them defending the Ṣaḥābah with all their power, including the use of illogical arguments and logical fallacies. This is also evident from the way both Ibrāhīm786 and just the truth have defended clear hypocrites like Abū Bakr and Mu’āwiyah on this forum. The former (Ibrāhīm786) in particular has even rejected their most authentic hadīths, in Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī and others, simply to save Mu’āwiyah the Caller to Hellfire! His heart has been sealed. He also has a disease in his heart, and Allāh increases the disease, and for him will be a painful torment in the grave and on Qiyāmah because of what he rejects – unless he repents, of course. However, the reality, as I have proved, is that there were plenty of hypocrites among the Ṣaḥābah, all of them cursed by Allāh and sentenced by Him to eternal damnation in Hellfire. In fact, Mu’āwiyah, specifically, was an Imām of hypocrisy. Another clear reality is that a lot of the Ṣaḥābah became heretics and hidden apostates after the death of the Prophet. These facts are revealed in the most authentic ḥadīths of the Ahl al-Sunnah, and are mutawātir. I will mention a few of them. Imām al-Bukhārī records in his Ṣaḥīḥ (Beirut: Dār Ibn Kathīr; 3rd edition, 1407 H) [annotator: Dr. Mustafā Dīb al-Baghā], vol. 3, p. 1222, # 3171; vol. 3, p. 1272, # 3263; vol. vol. 4, p. 1691 # 4349; and vol. 4, p. 1766, # 4463: ÍÏËäÇ ãÍãÏ Èä ßËíÑ¡ ÃÎÈÑäÇ ÓÝíÇä¡ ÍÏËäÇ ÇáãÛíÑÉ Èä ÇáäÚãÇä¡ ÞÇá: ÍÏËäí ÓÚíÏ Èä ÌÈíÑ¡ Úä ÇÈä ÚÈÇÓ ÑÖí Çááå ÚäåãÇ ÚÜä ÇáäÈí Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÓáã ÞÜÇá: Åäßã ãÍÔæÑæä ÍÝÇÉ ÚÑÇÉ ÛÑáÇ Ëã ÞÑÃ: ßóãóÇ ÈóÏóÃúäóÇ Ãóæøóáó ÎóáúÞò äøõÚöíÏõåõ æóÚúÏÇð ÚóáóíúäóÇ ÅöäøóÇ ßõäøóÇ ÝóÇÚöáöíäó æÃæá ãä íßÓì íæã ÇáÞíÇãÉ ÅÈÑÇåíã¡ æÅä ÃäÇÓÇð ãä ÃÕÍÇÈí íÄÎÐ Èåã ÐÇÊ ÇáÔãÇá ÝÃÞæá ÃÕÍÇÈí ÃÕÍÇÈí¡ ÝíÞæá: Åäåã áã íÒÇáæÇ ãÑÊÏíä Úáì ÃÚÞÇÈåã ãäÐ ÝÇÑÞÊåã¡ ÝÃÞæá ßãÇ ÞÇá ÇáÚÈÜÏ ÇáÕÜÇáÍ: æóßõäúÊõ Úóáóíúåöãú ÔóåöíÏÇð ãóÇ ÏõãúÊõ Ýöíåöãú Åáì Þæáå: ÇáúÍóßöíãõ Narrated Ibn Abbās: The Prophet said, "You will be gathered (on the Day of Qiyāmah), bare-footed, naked and not circumcised." He then recited:--'As We began the first creation, We, shall repeat it: A Promise We have undertaken: Truly we shall do it.' (21.104) He added, "The first to be dressed on the Day of Qiyāmah, will be Ibrāhīm, and some of MY ṢAḤĀBAH will be taken towards the left side (i.e. to the Fire), and I will say: 'My Ṣaḥābah! My Ṣaḥābah!' It will be said: 'They renegade from Islām AFTER YOU LEFT THEM.' Then I will say as the pious slave (i.e. ‘Īsā) said. 'And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them. When You took me up You were the Watcher over them, And You are a witness to all things. If You punish them. They are Your slaves And if You forgive them, Verily you, only You are the All-Mighty, the All-Wise." (5.120-121) This ḥadīth is very explicit. Those people will be from the Ṣaḥābah of the Prophet. They became apostates from Islām after his death. This shows that they were upon Islām (though hypocrites) during the lifetime of the Prophet but changed to evil after he left them. Imām al-Bukhārī further records in his Ṣaḥīḥ (Beirut: Dār Ibn Kathīr; 3rd edition, 1407 H) [annotator: Dr. Mustafā Dīb al-Baghā], vol. 5, p. 2404, # 6205 and vol. 6, p. 2587, # 6642: æÍÜÏËäí ÚãÑæ Èä Úáí¡ ÍÏËäÇ ãÍãÏ Èä ÌÚÝÑ¡ ÍÏËäÇ ÔÚÈÉ¡ Úä ÇáãÛíÑÉ¡ ÞÇá: ÓãÚÊ ÃÈÇ æÇÆá¡ Úä ÚÈÏÇááå Èä ãÓÚæÏ ÑÖí Çááå Úäå Úä ÇáäÈí Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÓáã ÞÇá: ÃäÇ ÝÑØßã Úáì ÇáÍæÖ¡ áíÑÝÚä Åáíø ÑÌÇá ãäßã Ëã áíÎÊáÌä Ïæäí¡ ÝÃÞæá íÇÑÈ ÃÕÍÇÈí ÝíÞÇá: Åäß áÇ ÊÏÑí ãÇ ÃÍÏËæÇ ÈÚÏß Narrated Ibn Mas’ūd: The Prophet, peace be upon him, said: “I will be your predecessor at the Lake-Font. Some persons FROM AMONGST YOU will be presented to me. Then they will be blocked away from me. Therefore, I will say, “O my Lord! They are my Ṣaḥābah!” It will be said, “You do not know what INNOVATIONS they introduced after your death.” This authentic ḥadīth also confirms that some of the Ṣaḥābah became heretics and innovators after the death of the Prophet. A similar ḥadīth is also recorded by Imām Muslim in his Ṣaḥīḥ (Beirut: Dār Ihyā al-Turāth al-‘Arabī) [annotator:Muḥammad Fuād ‘Abd al-Bāqī], vol. 4, p. 188, #2304: æÍÏËäí ãÍãÏ Èä ÍÇÊã¡ ÍÏËäÇ ÚÝÇä Èä ãÓáã ÇáÕÝÇÑ¡ ÍÏËäÇ æåíÈ¡ ÞÇá: ÓãÚÊ ÚÈÏÇáÚÒíÒ Èä ÕåíÈ íÍÏË ÞÇá: ÍÏËäÇ ÃäÓ Èä ãÇáß Ãä ÇáäÈí Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÓáã ÞÇá: áíÑÏä Úáíø ÇáÍæÖ ÑÌÇá ããä ÕÇÍÈäí¡ ÍÊì ÅÐÇ ÑÃíÊåã æÑÝÚæÇ Åáíø ÇÎÊáÌæÇ Ïæäí¡ ÝáÃÞÜæáä Ãí ÑÈ ÃÕíÍÇÈí ÃÕíÍÇÈí ÝáíÞÜÇáä áÜí Åäß áÇ ÊÏÑí ãÇ ÃÍÏËæÇ ÈÚÏß Narrated Anas b. Mālik: The Prophet, peace be upon him, said, “Some persons from amongst THOSE WHO ACCOMPANIED ME will meet me at the Lake-Font. I will see them, and they will be presented to me. Then, they will be blocked away from me. I will say: ‘O my Lord, THEY ARE MY ṢAḤĀBAH! THEY ARE MY ṢAḤĀBAH’. It will be said to me: ‘You do not know what INNOVATIONS they introduced after your death’”. Imām Aḥmad similarly records in his al-Musnad (Beirut, Lebanon: Muasassat al-Risālah; 1416 H) [annotators: Shu’ayb al-Arnaūt and others], vol. 3, p. 346, #14768, vol. 15, p. 230, # 20373: ÍÏËäÇ ÚÝÇä¡ ÍÏËäÇ ÍãÇÏ Èä ÓáãÉ¡ ÃäÇ Úáí Èä ÒíÏ¡ Úä ÇáÍÓä¡ Úä ÃÈí ÈßÑÉ Ãä ÑÓæá Çááå IÞÇá: áíÑÏä Úáíø ÇáÍæÖ ÑÌÇá ããä ÕÍÈäí æÑÂäí¡ ÍÊì ÅÐÇ ÑÝÚæÇ Åáíø æÑÃíÊåÜã ÇÎÊáÌæÇ ÏæäÜí¡ ÝáÃÞÜæáä ÑÈ ÃÕÍÇÈí ÃÕÍÇÈí¡ ÝíÞÇá Åäß áÇ ÊÏÑí ãÇ ÃÍÏËæÇ ÈÚÏß Narrated Abū Bakra: The Messenger of Allāh said, “Some persons from amongst THOSE WHO ACCOMPANIED AND SAW ME will meet me at the Lake-Font. They will be presented to me. But then, they will be blocked away from me. I will say, ‘O my Lord! My Ṣaḥābah! My Ṣaḥābah!’ It will be said, “You do not know what INNOVATIONS they introduced after your death.’” The annotator, Shaykh Ḥamzah Aḥmad al-Zayn, states: ÅÓäÇÏå ÍÓä Its chain is ḥasan (good). These people saw the Prophet (pbuh) and kept his company. This proves absolutely that they were Muslims during his lifetime, and effectively counted among his Ṣaḥābah. Many of them were hypocrites then. But, after his death, many of them became hidden apostates, while several others also introduced lots of bid’ahs into Islām, which Sunnīs follow today as their religion.

So, Wasil was only playing on people‘s intelligence after all. I firstly fell for his trick. But, upon a rethink of his past “records“ (which includes racism, pornography, obscenity and dishonest stunts), I neatly caught him. His fake illness and suicide thinking are nothing but fake publicity and sympathy stunts. What a fool! Wasil, I know you do check shiachat, and this thread in particular: so, could you tell us why you love Mu‘aawiyah, a clear Naasibi? Is it because he hated Imaam ‘Alee (as)?

@ Merdan, Actually, you shouldn‘t bet anything. I have a personal copy of Al-Sawaaiq, and that truly is his belief. You are correct than Al-Sawaaiq is an attempted refutation of the Imaamiyyah. However, al-Haytamee has done a very poor job in it. He has affirmed lots of our beliefs, even bring hadeeths from Sunnee books. Unlike Ibn Taymiyyah, he rarely denies authentically transmitted facts about the Ahl al-Bayt (as). His main interest is in defending Aboo Bakr, ‘Umar and ‘Uthmaan, and Mu‘aawiyah, even if by dishonest methods.

@ Dagga, Yes, you are correct. In tashahhud, Sunnees too send blessings upon the Prophet (pbuh) and the Ahl al-Bayt (as). HOWEVER, outside of the tashahhud, they always EXCLUDE the Ahl al-Bayt (as). Why? The Prophet (pbuh) ORDERED the whole Ummah to ALWAYS include the Ahl al-Bayt (as) in the Salawat/Darood. Why have Sunnees limited it to only the times of tashahhud? Moreover, there is a huge controversy among the Sunnees over whether blessings should be sent upon the Ahl al-Bayt (as) in the tashahhud. Imaam al-Shaafi‘ee and ‘Allaamah al-Albaanee and a few others said that sending blessings upon the Ahl al-Bayt (as) in the tashahhud is obligatory while most of the other Sunnee scholars say NO!

Read this from Tafseer Ibn Katheer: Ahmad recorded a Hadith with similar meaning from Ibn Muhayriz who said: I said to Abu Jumu`ah, "Narrate a Hadith for us that you heard from the Messenger of Allah.'' He said, "Yes. I will narrate a good Hadith for you. Once we had lunch with the Messenger of Allah . Abu `Ubaydah, who was with us, said, `O Messenger of Allah! Are people better than us We embraced Islam with you and performed Jihad with you.' He said, «نَعَمْ قَوْمٌ مِنْ بَعْدِكُمْ يُؤْمِنُونَ بِي وَلَمْ يَرَوْنِي» (Yes, those who will come after you, who will believe in me although they did not see me.)'' This Hadith has another route collected by Abu Bakr bin Marduwyah in his Tafsir, from Salih bin Jubayr who said: `Abu Jumu`ah Al-Ansari, the Companion of the Messenger of Allah , came to Bayt Al-Maqdis (Jerusalem) to perform the prayer. Raja' bin Haywah was with us, so when Abu Jumu`ah finished, we went out to greet him. When he was about to leave, he said, "You have a gift and a right. I will narrate a Hadith for you that I heard from the Messenger of Allah. '' We said, "Do so, and may Allah grant you mercy.'' He said, "We were with the Messenger of Allah, ten people including Mu`adh bin Jabal. We said, "O Messenger of Allah! Are there people who will acquire greater rewards than us We believed in Allah and followed you.' He said, «مَا يَمْنَعُكُمْ مِنْ ذَلِكَ وَرَسُولُ اللهِ بَيْنَ أَظْهُرِكُمْ يَأْتِيكُمْ بِالْوَحْيِ مِنَ السَّمَاءِ، بَلْ قَوْمٌ بَعْدَكُمْ يَأْتِيهِمْ كِتَابٌ مِنْ بَيْنِ لَوْحَيْنِ يُؤْمِنُونَ بِهِ وَيَعْمَلُونَ بِمَا فِيهِ، أُولٰئِكَ أَعْظَمُ مِنْكُمْ أَجْرًا مَرَّتَيْن» (What prevents you from doing so, while the Messenger of Allah is among you, bringing you the revelation from heaven There are people who will come after you and who will be given a book between two covers (the Qur'an), and they will believe in it and implement its commands. They have a greater reward than you, even twice as much.)'' http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=449&Itemid=36 These hadeeths expose your ignorance of your own sect. I have no reason to discuss my private life with you. Got it?

I know more about the Sahaabah more than you will EVER know. I am trying to wake up your dead logic. Mu'aawiyah and co were Nawaasib, and that naturally makes them hypocrites. I accept than hypocrites are far better than you. But, as I said, the dust of my shoe is better than those hypocrites. Of course, it doesn't. Have you forgotten about Azar, Prophet Ibraaheem's (as) father?

Read this http://www.al-islam.org/encyclopedia/chapter1b/11.html

You missed the point because of your complete ignorance about the ghaybah of the Imaam (as). He said all that and more during the minor ghaybah, and he was referring to the period of the major ghaybah. I believe you need to read this book to know better about our Imaam (as). And, it contains only authentic narrations from our books (and a few from the Sunnis).

So, Mu‘aawiyah the Naasibi (according to authentic history and your scholars) is better than the pure progeny of the Prophet (pbuh)???????????? Let me get this straight: YOU ARE SAYING THAT A HYPOCRITE WAS BETTER THAN OUR IMAAMS (as)??????! It is not strange that you have awarded Paradise to the Nawaasib among the Sahaabah. In your religion, a hypocrite will be in Paradise, and the Ahl al-Bayt (as) are worse than hypocrites. Do you see why I call you a Naasibi? In reality, I believe a hypocrite (like Mu‘aawiyah) is TRULY better than you. As for me, I am a believer in wilaayah, and (like in the case of all other believers) the dust of my shoe is better than Mu‘aawiyah, Aboo Bakr and ‘Umar.