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Ugly Jinn

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    Ugly Jinn got a reaction from AmirioTheMuzzy in Imams (As) In Taqiyya ?   
    How is taqiyah being linked back to the Quran?
    A vague hadith which will justify many to have a licence to do taqiyah at their own discretion. Al-Kafi has it's issues, even Shias admit to this.
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    Ugly Jinn got a reaction from Leibniz in Questions On Our Hadiths   
    But the fact that Hanifa respected, learned, was pro Ahlul-Bayt, but never considered his teacher as-Sadiq as a 'divinely appointed' Imam speaks volumes, doesn't it?
    And as a teacher of Islam with plethora of students, wouldn't as-Sadiq speak about 'Ahlul-Bayt'? More specifically, wouldn't he declare himself divinely appointed as that is a fundamental aspect of Ahlul Bayt?
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    Ugly Jinn got a reaction from Waseem162 in Is Mutah Frowned Upon In Your Culture?   
    Mutah is frowned upon, but having a girlfriend isn't. 
     
    Go figure. 
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    Ugly Jinn got a reaction from Panzerwaffe in Do Shias Love Ali (Ra) More Than Muhammad (Sa)?   
    There is a difference between importance and love.
     
    If it's based on love, then the obvious answer is Imam Ali. Just goto any Shia lecture at your local center/mosque or on Youtube, and just count the number of times they mention Imam Ali compared to the Prophet. Majority of Shia lectures revolve around Imam Ali and Imam Hussain. 
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    Ugly Jinn got a reaction from Mansur Bakhtiari in Ayatollah Sane'i Demoted- No Longer An Ayatollah?   
    Like what? Post them or the thread where you listed them.
    Most Marjas have odd fatwas, it's subjective.
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    Ugly Jinn got a reaction from seekingthebeloved in Why Imam Ali Wasn't Mentioned In The Quran?   
    Simple question which I'm sure was asked before.
    Ali was an adult while the Prophet was still making revelations to the people
    Successorship is a fundamental aspect of Shia Islam (Imamat), yet the fundamental aspect of Ali not mentioned

    What's the logical reason for Imam Ali not being mentioned in the Quran?
    FYI, This topic isn't for those who spew emotional gibberish and insults with no substance.
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    Ugly Jinn got a reaction from Quisant in Why Must A God Be Just ?   
    I agree with above except the part where you believe theists are forcing an illogical theory regarding a supernatural being. I think both sides, atheists and theists have valid arguments. Theist's belief in supernatural existed prior to any of the holy books that were revealed, hence this theory is as old as humans. This supernaturally theory comes from plethora of places, not just one. You can go back in history and look at isolated tribes that had no contact or influence from the outside world believe in a supreme being/s. Why is that? Why does this theory/belief pop up everywhere?
     
    True. 
     
    Two points:
    Even if we put religion aside, a theist can make a consistent argument that God created everything, He creates the definition of 'just', hence anything He does or doesn't do is just.  The 'Mercifully Just' issue is an old one, and I will admit that there's a logical inconsistency. You have a valid point with that argument. I'm sure after reading that response you will realize I'm not hiding behind an Islamic curtain. I am very unbiased. I believe an argument, from start to finish, has to be consistent for a specific topic. 
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    Ugly Jinn got a reaction from Son of Placid in Why Must A God Be Just ?   
    Not a dilemma for me. The Euthyphro's dilemma was, "Is the pious loved by the gods because it is pious, or is it pious because it is loved by the gods?" The question again is 'who' decides what pious is? From an Islamic perspective God decides what pious is hence the answer is 'pious is loved because it is loved by God'. 
    From a theological perceptive, if the Creator dictates the definition of 'just' then what he does is Just, irrelevant to what we think.
    Hence the problem. If God exists, we can't define 'just' on His behalf. It is He who will define the word.
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    Ugly Jinn got a reaction from Son of Placid in Why Must A God Be Just ?   
    The logic is dependent on the definition of the word 'just'. 
    If we define 'just' as "Whatever the Creator decides is just", then there is no issue.  If we define 'just' as "Whatever humans decide is just", then there are issues.  The 2 above can contradict, that's where the problem arises from a human's perspective and it's the essence of your question. But if a person believes that whatever God does is just, regardless to what he/she thinks, then there is a consistent argument to believe God is Just. 
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    Ugly Jinn got a reaction from eThErEaL in Push The Fat Man, And Save Five People   
    The biggest challenge in this scenario is not whether 5 are killed or 1, the biggest psychological issue is involving yourself. Once you involve yourself, you have dictated a death of a human (regardless of how many).
     
    1. If the person does not do anything, then atleast he can consciously remove the guilt knowing he didn't participate in what happened.
    2. If the person does something, then he has to consciously remove the guilt knowing he involved himself and made a good moral decision based on the circumstances he was in.
     
    Every person's mentality is different, and there is no right or wrong answer.
     
    I'll pull the lever to save the 5, and would remove the guilt (atleast try), knowing it was the best option based upon the circumstances. As a matter of fact, I might feel more guilty not saving the 5 if I didn't do anything.
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    Ugly Jinn got a reaction from Chair Pundit in How Exactly Did Hussain A.s Save Islam?   
    Imam Hussain saving Islam equates to a fallible like Yazeed had the power to destroy Islam forever, which is absurd and above all contradicts the Quran. Yazeed was nothing more than a corrupt fallible power hungry leader, history is filled with them.
     
    Unfortunately, Shias will exaggerate anything to propel the status of Ahlul Bayt, no matter if it's logical/consistent or not. If anyone doesn't agree with these types of exaggerations ('Hussain saved Islam'), he/she is considered a hater of Ahlul Bayt.
     
    So the answer is pretty simple, and Quran is clear. Islam is protected by Allah, and it will be until the day of judgement. 
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    Ugly Jinn got a reaction from singham in An Atheist Can Go To Heaven   
    According to Rajabali, the key is 'struggle'. 
     
    So a 'struggling' athiest is equivalent to a 'struggling' Shia because in principal both are unsure of their beliefs and both can get into heaven.
     
     
     
    Why should a human that makes a sincere conclusion regarding his/her beliefs be punished? 
     
    If a person 'knowingly' rejects a belief then an argument can be made regarding consequences.
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    Ugly Jinn got a reaction from Chair Pundit in An Atheist Can Go To Heaven   
    According to Rajabali, the key is 'struggle'. 
     
    So a 'struggling' athiest is equivalent to a 'struggling' Shia because in principal both are unsure of their beliefs and both can get into heaven.
     
     
     
    Why should a human that makes a sincere conclusion regarding his/her beliefs be punished? 
     
    If a person 'knowingly' rejects a belief then an argument can be made regarding consequences.
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    Ugly Jinn got a reaction from rajul in Why Don't Sunnis Believe In Hadeeth Kisa' ?   
    Maybe because.....
    Question: Concerning your answer about Hadith Al-Kisaa, you said that it is not authentic in its details … while, this Hadith is being narrated in some countries before every Husaini gathering and in many other religious occasions. Should it be left out because it is not authentic?
    Answer: Caution towards some details which comprise some wrong concepts should be taken because they may lead to what is not legitimate.
    Ayatollah Fadlullah
    http://english.bayyn.../qa.aspx?id=112
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    Ugly Jinn got a reaction from igotquestions in The Place Of Harun To Musa Hadith - Revisited.   
    There is nothing explicit in the Quran that there will be divine successors to the Prophet. This concept is dependent on 'interpretation'. This thread is a prime example the lengths people are willing to go to create a concept via interpretation, but then again, they have no choice. If the Quran had one verse stating "..there will be divinely appointed Imams after the Prophet" or just "Ali is the successor" (3 words), there would be no need to go through all this mess, the Shias would chant that verse 24/7. But for some reason Allah decided not to put this in the Quran - He didn't mention a fundamental belief in His fundamental book.   :wacko:
     
    So that leaves them with ambiguous verses/narrations and examples. If the Prophet said "no Prophet after me" it equates to "Imam Ali is a divinely appointed successor to the Prophet". If the Prophet praises Ali in any manner "<insert any praise>" it equates to "Imam Ali is successor and/or the concept of Imamat". 
     
    Not only this. You will never see an explicit narration where the Imam's declared their successor nor a narration where the Imam declares he is a divinely appointed successor to the masses. All you will get are interpretations and excuses. 
     
    So there are only 2 approaches Shias take; 1) Interpretations: hadith stating 'xyz', but shias state it actually means 'abc'. 2) And be ready for plethora of examples, the whole belief is dependent on examples. 
     
    I've been discussing for a while, maybe these threads will interest you:
    http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/234996373-using-logic-to-understand-successorship/ http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235013470-did-imam-ali-declare-himself-as-a-divine-imam/ http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235016547-12-imams-declaring-their-divine-appointment/ http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/234995103-why-imam-ali-wasnt-mentioned-in-the-quran/ http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/234997564-imam-ali-couldnt-even-get-40-followers/ http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235012763-part-2-imam-ali-against-election-of-caliph/ http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235005000-saheeh-hadith-claiming-12-imams-arewere-divine/
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    Ugly Jinn reacted to Abu Nur in Divine Hatred Of The Shia   
    We all wonder what you really are. 
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    Ugly Jinn got a reaction from Chair Pundit in The Place Of Harun To Musa Hadith - Revisited.   
    You tell me what is a divine leader? This is your argument, you have to back it up with solid proof. 
     
    Does Prophet appointing someone for a temporary position equate to divine successorship/leader? If "Yes", then the Prophet appointed many positions and they all become divine successors/leaders. If "No", then using this narration is invalid to equate an appointed position in the Prophet's absence as divine successorship/leader.
     
    Either way your argument is flawed.
     
     
    Err is my confusion that you thought Harun replaced Musa permanently while Musa was away temporarily. 
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    Ugly Jinn got a reaction from hasanhh in Study In Iran For Foreigners   
    UAE had the same issue but they came up with a freehold idea. Basically, there are certain 'freehold' areas which foreigners can own property. It has been very successful concept. Seems like a practical compromise. Keep certain areas for citizens and some areas for foreigners.
    Iran should compromise and let outsiders pour money into the country.
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    Ugly Jinn got a reaction from iCambrian in Why Does Allah Choose Prayers To Respond To?   
    You are posting on a forum where the replies will be predictable. The issue you raised can only be reconciled by inserting the afterlife component, practically all religious folks will use that approach.
     
    And from an unbiased perspective, the religious folks are in a predicament (the irony is I'm probably one of them), using reality (ex. kids dying of starvation) which can be witnessed (verified) yet trying to reconcile it with an unverified theory (ex. after death you will get the reward) is somewhat inconsistent, and many will say a cop out. Why? Because practically every religion can make the same claim without needing to provide empirical evidence. 
     
    Have you seen people suffering? Yes.
    Have you seen people being rewarded in heaven? No. 
     
    Reconciling the 'Yes' with a 'No' is not going to convince many people. 
     
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    I don't know whether you believe in God or not. If you don't, then this prayer stuff is a moot point. If you do, then you just have to come to a realization that many things are difficult to comprehend/understand - no answers will be convincing, just have to accept He has His reasons.
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    Ugly Jinn got a reaction from Agora in Is Mutah Frowned Upon In Your Culture?   
    Mutah is frowned upon, but having a girlfriend isn't. 
     
    Go figure. 
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    Ugly Jinn reacted to King in World Wide Protests Against Israeli Cancer   
    Please close this thread, Noah might just suffer a breakdown.
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    Ugly Jinn got a reaction from AnaAmmar1 in If You Enjoy Watching Bill Maher Then...   
    Gaza is a confined human farm, there are people and buildings everywhere. Any cover behind a building will equate to the accusation of using human shields. 
     
    Please tell me how Hamas should fight? Fire rockets from the middle of a street so they are exposed? 
     
    Here is a picture below of Gaza; homes/buildings everywhere, please explain how they should fight effectively without them being accused of using human shields?
     

     
    PS. I don't even like Hamas.
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    Ugly Jinn got a reaction from Mahdi_theguideforall in If You Enjoy Watching Bill Maher Then...   
    Hamas is not helping, I personally don't like them, but I understand why they are doing what they are doing. 
     
    Point being, this 'human shield' accusation keeps getting repeated and I'm trying to figure out where in Gaza can they get cover/fight without humans around?
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    Ugly Jinn got a reaction from Maryaam in If You Enjoy Watching Bill Maher Then...   
    Gaza is a confined human farm, there are people and buildings everywhere. Any cover behind a building will equate to the accusation of using human shields. 
     
    Please tell me how Hamas should fight? Fire rockets from the middle of a street so they are exposed? 
     
    Here is a picture below of Gaza; homes/buildings everywhere, please explain how they should fight effectively without them being accused of using human shields?
     

     
    PS. I don't even like Hamas.
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    Ugly Jinn got a reaction from Chair Pundit in If You Enjoy Watching Bill Maher Then...   
    Gaza is a confined human farm, there are people and buildings everywhere. Any cover behind a building will equate to the accusation of using human shields. 
     
    Please tell me how Hamas should fight? Fire rockets from the middle of a street so they are exposed? 
     
    Here is a picture below of Gaza; homes/buildings everywhere, please explain how they should fight effectively without them being accused of using human shields?
     

     
    PS. I don't even like Hamas.
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