Ismahan007

I know it's destined when things actually happen or do not happen. I don't agree with you, I don't think its a sin to say this. Allah (swt) says in many places in the quran that nothing happens in the heaven and the earth except that which he allowed/destined. not a single leaf falls on the ground without His permission/will. whatever comes from Allah is either a punishment, a test or a blessing. we can not do a thing on our own, whatever we have/choices we make have direct link with Allah, He's the only administrator. the evil deeds some ppl tend to do shouldn't be confused with this idea. if someone drinks alcohol, then that person is being tested with alcohol. if they continue drinking it then they will be punished b'cos of their stubbornness and challenging Allah, the lord of the world's. besides, according to some narrations, it is said that ''a good woman/wife is a blessing from Allah''. same way a wretched/wicked partner is also from Allah. like the quran says ALL good and evil comes from Allah. why separate the two! honestly, I find it strange to be a shia and not believe in this. its more of a shia thing than sunni. ALL our blessed imams lives is full of lessons and proofs for this concept. for instance, our prophet (saw) and imams married wicked women knowing the evil they'll commit during and after their lives, they married them b'cos Allah wanted it that way. Allah chose those women for them to marry to test them and His people. it wasn't out of 'choice' the prophet married Aisha and Hafsa for instance. our prophet and imams only did what Allah wanted them to do. im not saying this from my own. the prophet and the imams have made this clear in ahadith that they only married those two women bcos it was Allah's will and desire to do so. we don't end up in someone else's life just bcos we had a moment of 'choice'. like the quran says, this life is nothing but a test, so is everything in it is also a test.

Aw really? since when sunni jurists come on this site? ALL I see are trolls.

^ why don't you educate me on the concept of predestination that you have 'expertly' grasped instead of attacking people and their beliefs? besides, who says everything sunnis believe in should be rejected. NO one is using Allah to justify anything, that is your own insecurity, perhaps bitting you? you consider birth predestined by Allah yet, refuse to accept that the parent's union for instance is also part of this, strange.

Maybe you forgot to put ur glasses on, so I thought I could tell you that this is a shia forum, and not a sunni. if you're looking for answers to your questions from sunnis, I suggest to go to a sunni forum. there're plenty online, no need to come here. just my two cents!

I think it all depends how you understand this concept. I dont see it as sunni vs shia concept, rather it depends how you understand it and how you argue your point. maybe my upbringing has something to do with it (I come from sunni family who strongly believe in this thing called pre-destination) however, I've grown up to form my own understanding, slightly similar as them though. I didn't say its Allah's fault the sister married this guy. of course it was her choice, we all make choices in life that we need to be prepared to deal with the outcome, however it was something she definetly could not avoid, cos it was something she had to go through in her life. we see a lot of ppl around us who are married either for the wrong reasons or wrong individuals, it cant be said that they did that solely by thier own choices, Allah put those ppl in their way, it was a test from God, wether they pass it or not, it solely depends on them but the fact that this ppl are in their lives is more than a bad choice they made. its part of what God has written for them. the attitude towards things is what matters the most, what happenbed already has happened. for instance, if the sister becomes pregnant (which could happen), can we say that kid was a product of a bad choice his mother made and could have had a different family (ie a shia maybe)? course no one thinks that way. many arguments for this concept. like I said its more than sunni vs shia thing here. its a reality, ive seen a lot of stories and things to believe in it. Besides, the quran clearly says to not be happy or sad for whatever happened or did not happen in your lives. ALL comes from Allah. to question and say for instance that the sister could have made a bad choice is wrong. Edit; a better choice***

^ I highly doubt that. a post on a rafida site, makes a salafi prouder, really? LOOOL where did Omar and Aisha go!

My name is Ismahan and I support this post :D If only I get one pound for each time I get people ask me this question I would be a millionaire by now. the question I get asked is the other way around though LOL anyway to answer your question, '' what do Salafis have 'we' don't'' .... Salafis are proud people. full of confidence and pride. Although they have no religion other than worshiping satan, they will always remind us that they're superior to us and better than we'll ever be. that kind of confidence, that kind of swagger can't be found in any other people except in Salafis and Sunnis. It just rubs you in a very bad way. damn, I even think that the most ignorant salafi will probably have more pride and confidence in his religion than the most learned shia will LOL .... they also have trust and loyalty for their scholars, blindly and truly believe in them. whatever their Sherlock Holmes would say about shias for instance, they will listen and truly believe in it. whereas shias, in most cases, they seem to be living in their own fantasy world where no other people except them live in. and refuse to stop sugarcoating the truth and just accept their faith. from my observation and experience, in most cases we lack confidence. this would be the biggest problem I may have with most of those people who consider themselves as 'shias'. I dont consider myself in anyway or form better than any one, only Allah is aware of the inner soul of each and every one of us, however I genuinely believe that there are many things that are wrong in us that need to be addressed. since we are all one ummah by believing in the Ahlulbayt (as) and adhere/follow the same aqeda/beliefs, such discussions are vital, in order to help each other to improve, as well us make our pure imams happy and proud, as they (as) said in many ahadith to always be a good ornament for them and not a shame. despite having ALL that you mentioned such as our pure aqeda, fiqh and the knowledge we inherited from our pure imams we still have long way to go, to at least match sunnis in their level of eman and confidence in their beliefs/books etc.... . perhaps the only time we may have such kind of confidence and pride as sunnis/salafis is when it comes to mutah topics. :sick: Our speakers, ulama and those that speak for shia are the worse when it comes to this, makes me question the cause for such insecurity and lack of trust in their own faith that you struggle to find answers. you find speakers, ulama etc, in discussions/lectures about our pure Imams where there're no sunnis around, use sunni references for their information. this is so pathetic and saddening. ive said this b4, why do some speakers feel the need to use sunni sources to 'teach' or 'guide' the shia listeners? are they trying to 'boost' their confidence and convince them more about their faith by using other ppl's sources? if that's the case, then we have a serious problem, in fact a calamity that we should mourn over. bcos nothing is worse than using other people's books (people who are enemies to our imams and work against their wills). you will never find any sunni or salafi using shia source to educate their ppl about their own faith, they barely notice we even exist. whereas in shia, speakers have become accostomed to such absurd way of mentioning them in every leacture, even in muharram. lack of respect of the Imam and the audiences I find this very annoying. when I encounter such predicament, all I want is just leave the center or the mosque but bcos of the respect that I have for the ppl who invite me that lecture/event, I would just sit and feel obliged to continue listening with a disappointment. Also as its already been said, the way they work and organize themselves and present is admirable. basically you can say they're dawa'h machines. they have obsession to turn every person and stone on earth salafi/sunnis. I think there's no comparison between the two if you want the truth. maybe number have something to do with it, as they're huge in number and have Saudi backing but this shouldn't be the excuse for shias. Another thing is, the quran. I know it isnt wajeb in Islam to memorize the quran, however what happened to proper recitation of the ayats/verses? even our 'ulama' (most of those I've been to their lectures or watched them online) struggle with reciting simple ayat/verses on the mimber in lectures, its shocking! I always ask myself why is that though? if the 'scholars' we admire and let them speak on our mimbers would have such a problem, it makes you wonder about the ordinary shias. isnt the quran our primary source of guidance, how come most ppl do not even know how to recite properly let alone memorize anything. none of those shias that I know in person, know how to properly recite the quran, its sad. As for the unity/disunity business, I think for most of us, politics is more important than the religious beliefs that we took from our imams, the way they (as) drew for us. this great disunity that we see in the shia people has direct link to do with politics, it has nothing to do with Ahlulbayt and their ways. otherwise, if we all go back to our original aqeda, you will find the answer there, but most people seem to be very comfortable where they stand that they are scared of finding the truth. as long as we're avoiding to get our priorities right, the discussion about unity, will always remain just a discussion.

Dear brother Ali Hussain, I really have forgotten this thread, please accept my apology! about the book, I borrowed it from a friend who goes to the Islamic College. they have it in their library. I haven't read the whole book (three volume paperback), cos I didn't have enough time to do so, however, its pretty good book. If my memory serves me right, I think the author appears to rely on mostly sunni historians ( Tabari, Bladhurri, etc). It is referenced although I can't say how comprehensive the referencing is. if you go to the Islamic College, you may find the book there. hope that helps, please again accept my apologies :) slm

Brother Al-Mufeed, I'm just curious to know why its hard for you to believe this story lol! what happened to 'qada wal qader'? don't we have this concept in shia islam or what? :donno: the reason nothing makes sense in this story itself is the proof for this concept I believe. there was NO good reason to marry this guy but she married him anyway. she should be pleased with her decision and not cry! am not saying she should stay with this alcoholic, this ''marriage'' shouldn't have taken place but it happened anyway. its something that was written for her. all she needs to do now is make a choice, that is - whether to stay or leave this man. the later is the one should go for, Allah knows better.

w'salaam sis, A man in his position has NO choice but to show the 'best akhlaq' he can show. c'mon, he's a divorced man, with an age he could easily be your dad.... dont be fooled by this sister. look beyond what he says and do to you. ask him what caused his divorce and why he couldnt avoid it. Allah knows best but be suspicious and always ask questions. dont rush into it. also, family is extremely important, consult your family and take their advice.

I didnt claim it to be healthy. but the fact of the matter remains that the one who cares more suffers the most in the relationship, unfortunately that's what happens most of the time :(

I agree with you ImAli. The one who cares less always wins in the relationship.

haha play that at the first sight of a wahabbi, it will do you a great favor. they may join you since they're also brainless and that way you save ur life. btw, you dont have to thank me for anything. I love saving kids lives. I like children :)

And how nice of you to take me serious and let me know this. thanks :lol:

'wsalaam sister, 'while you are safely and comfortably in you own home, not many shias in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iraq have the same luxery as you.....'' firstly, please you dont know me and know how my life is, so I suggest you not make such a statement. 2nd, I've already said that the killings of shias in those counties has nothing to do with how some people chose to practice and follow their religious teachings. shias has always been killed and will always get killed, not bcos of what other shias do or say but bcos of their beliefs. nothing more or less... read your history, you will find similar if not worst killings of shias. 3rd, to challenege an ideology and bring it to question does not akin to hatred.