misbah 2004

You first. And I never did. You seem to be forgetting that you yourself clarified the usage of the term in quotations by describing it as the ahadith "regarding the status of women in Islam". And my post was directly in response to this clarification. Wrong, I said that "many" of those ahadith are authentic. Multiplicity does not denote majority. Obviously. It would be absurd to claim that every single hadith about a particular topic is authentic. I think you're having trouble comprehending the exchange that occurred between us. In case you've forgotten, you stated: You MUST really go through the various threads where "aHadith" are being whipped out regarding the status of women in Islam My response was simply that many of these ahadith posted in those "various threads" "regarding the status of women in Islam", are authentic (which is a true statement). Now if you meant only a specific set of ahadith from this group that you referred to and not the entire group, then perhaps you should have clarified that before posting your reply. I can only reply to what you have explicitly stated, not what you are thinking about.

And what YOU were referring to were ahadith "regarding the status of women in Islam" that were posted on threads here, and many of those ARE authentic regardless of how you feel about them.

"We" are not kidding anyone here. You should speak only for yourself. Good for you. The ones I was referring to, however, are authentic in both ways.

Uhhh that is the thread that I linked to in my post too. Are you referring to some specific post which is a reply to my question?

Why the inverted commas? Many of those traditions are authentic. I am very well aware of the position of women in Islam.

If it comes to choosing between having them wear skull rings and makeup *gasp* and having them live the servile lives that most Afghani women live (refer: video below), I think I'll go with the sneaker chick lifestyle. Good for them.

I see. But then, why does Islam allow a man to have sex with his married slave girl? From here: Link

Depends on your marja. There are scholars like Khoei who deem it compulsory and others like Sistani who say that it only becomes wajib if you are attracting attention.

So a woman having more than one spouse i.e. having sex with more than one person is wrong? Scientifically and/or morally?

Can I have that pic of yours again, please? :angel: :angel:

The consensus is certainly there, and only the very ignorant people are unaware of it. The claim that women are deficient in intelligence and faith has been accepted by ALL early Shi'a ulema. For example: Sayyid ibn Ta'wus in his Kashaful Muhajjah, page 181: æÇáäÓÇÁ äæÇÞÕ ÇáÇíãÇä äæÇÞÕ ÇáÚÞæá äæÇÞÕ ÇáÍÙæÙ ÝÃãÇ äÞÕÇä ÅíãÇäåä ÝÞÚæÏåä Úä ÇáÕáÇÉ æÇáÕíÇã Ýí ÃíÇã ÍíÖåä æÃãÇ äÞÕÇä ÚÞæáåä ÝáÇ ÔåÇÏÉ áåä ÅáÇ Ýí ÇáÏíä æÔåÇÏÉ ÇãÑÃÊíä ÈÑÌá Sharif Murtada in Risa'il, page 124 ãÚÇÔÑ ÇáäÓÇÁ (1)¡ ÇáäÓÇÁ äæÇÞÕ ÇáÅíãÇä¡ äæÇÞÕ ÇáÍÙæÙ¡ äæÇÞÕ ÇáÚÞæá¡ ÝÃãÇ äÞÕÇä ÅíãÇäåä ÝÞÚæÏåä Úä ÇáÕáÇÉ æÇáÕíÇã Ýí ÃíÇã ÍíÖåä¡ æÃãÇ äÞÕÇä ÚÞæáåä ÝÔåÇÏÉ ÇáÇãÑÃÊíä ßÔåÇÏÉ ÇáÑÌá ÇáæÇÍÏ Sharif Radiyy in Nahjul Balagha, sermon 80 ãÚÇÔÑ ÇáäÇÓ Åä ÇáäÓÇÁ äæÇÞÕ ÇáÇíãÇä äæÇÞÕ ÇáÍÙæÙ äæÇÞÕ ÇáÚÞæá Shaykh Tabarsi in his Makarim al-Akhlaq, page 202 íÇ ãÚÔÑ ÇáäÓÇÁ ãÇ ÑÃíÊ äæÇÞÕ ÚÞæá æÏíä ÃÐåÈ ÈÚÞæá Ðæí ÇáÇáÈÇÈ ãäßä Shaykh Hurr al-`Amiliy quotes in multiple places in Wasa'il ash-Shi'a Åä ÇáäÓÇÁ äæÇÞÕ ÇáÇíãÇä¡ äæÇÞÕ ÇáÚÞæá¡ æäæÇÞÕ ÇáÍÙæÙ As does Allamah Majlisi in Bihar al-Anwar: ãÚÇÔÑ ÇáäÇÓ Åä ÇáäÓÇÁ äæÇÞÕ ÇáÇíãÇä äæÇÞÕ ÇáÍÙæÙ äæÇÞÕ ÇáÚÞæá As for women being subservient to men, again it is only ignorance because of which you think Islam doesn't require them to be so. It is unquestionable that in Islam the wife has to obey her husband in all matters that don't oppose Islamic law, while for the husband it is recommended to NOT listen to his wife. See for example the chapter on Not Obeying Women from al-Kafi of Shaykh Kulayni. As just a single example from the section above hadith number two, which is graded as Sahih by Allamah Majlisi, states: (10228) - 2 - ÚÏÉ ãä ÃÕÍÇÈäÇ¡ Úä ÃÍãÏ Èä ãÍãÏ¡ Úä ÇÈä ãÍÈæÈ¡ Úä ÚÈÏÇááå Èä ÓäÇä¡ Úä ÃÈí ÚÈÏÇááå (Ú) ÞÇá: ÐßÑ ÑÓæá Çááå (Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÂáå) ÇáäÓÇÁ ÝÞÇá: ÇÚÕæåä Ýí ÇáãÚÑæÝ ÞÈá Ãä íÃãÑäßã ÈÇáãäßÑ æÊÚæÐæÇ ÈÇááå ãä ÔÑÇÑåä æßæäæÇ ãä ÎíÇÑåä Úáì ÍÐÑ. 2 – A number of our companions from Ahmad b. Muhammad from Ibn Mahbub from `Abdullah b. Sinan from Abu `Abdillah Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã. He said: The Messenger of Allah Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÂáå mentioned women, so he said: Disobey them in the good before they command you to the evil, and take refuge with Allah from their evil ones and be cautious of their good ones. The narrations from our Imams about the requirement of the wife's obedience to the husband are innumerable. See these, for example, from Shaykh Saduq's Man La Yahdarahu al-Faqih. Also see the description as provided by Imam Ali b. Husayn (Zaynul Abideen) [a] in Risalat al-Huquq: 20- THE RIGHT OF THE WIFE And the right of your subject through matrimonial contract (your wife) is that you should know that God has made her repose, a comfort and a companion, and a maintainer for you. It is incumbent upon each of you to thank God for the other and realize that the other one is God's blessing for you. It is obligatory to be a good companion for God's Blessing, and to honor her and treat her gently. Yet, your right over her is more incumbent and she must obey you in every matter that you like or detest- except in acts of disobedience to God. She should enjoy the rights of mercy and intimacy, as she is an object of tranquility. You should care for her through consummation of the lust that must be consummated. And that is surely great. And there is no power but in God. If you really think that women and men are equal, then why don't you provide me with ONE narration from any of our Imams which states that men must also obey their wives. Just one. But you won't be able to, since neither the Qur'an nor the ahadith ever state that men and women are "equal" in obedience. People have to twist the Qur'anic verses to fit their own ideologies to come up with such false claims. I have shown you the opinions of our classical scholars and the ahadith of the ma'soomeen on this issue. You, on the other hand, bring up irrelevant quotes by a recent, controversial scholar and even more irrelevant verses about the efforts of men and women not made to go to waste, which has nothing to do with the topic being discussed.