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  1. If you open up al-Kafi, The Book of People With Divine authority, Hadith 315, or Ch.16 H6: ""I was in the company of abu Ja'far al-Thani, the 2nd (a.s.), when a person asked him, "The names and attributes of the Lord, the Most Holy, the Most High, mentioned in His book (the Holy Quran) are they He Himself?" The Imam replied, "Your question has two aspects. If you say that they are His Own Self, meaning that He has plurality and multiplicity, then Allah is far exalted from being as such. If you mean that names and attributes of Allah had eternally been there, this also has a double meaning. (Firstly) if you mean, that names and attributes have eternally been in the knowledge of Allah and He eternally deserved them, it is true and quite right. If you mean that the letters, pictures, spellings and syllables of names and attributes were eternal, then we seek refuge from Him against such belief. Allah existed but there were no creatures. He created names and attributes as a means between His Own-self and the creatures. Through these means they pray to Him and ask Him for help and names are the means to speak of Him..." So now that we know that the attributes of Allah are not Allah, we can go on to your point, in which you stated that I "needed to stop giving His Attributes to his creation". Well now you will understand the foolishness of that statement, as His attributes are of his creations. Now the hadith also states that he "created names and attributes as a means between his own-self and the creatures". So in fact, these attributes are the way and the only way that we can connect, pray, etc to him. So now we know a few things: 1- Gods attributes are of his creation 2- Only through His attributes are we able to communicate with Him Now, what are these attributes: In duas, in mafatih, in ziyarat, there are numerous places which indicate that the Ahlulbayt (as) are these attributes. There are multiple hadiths from the Imams (as) about there status and their roles in the world, here is one of them from kafi, book of oneness of Allah: H 362, Ch. 23, h 10: Al-Husayn ibn Muhammad has narrated from Mu‘alla ibn Muhammad from Muhammad ibn Jumhur from Ali ibn al-Salt from al-Hakam and Isma‘il sons of Habid from Burayd al-‘Ijli who has said the following. "I heard Imam abu Ja‘far (a.s.) saying, ‘Through us Allah is worshipped. Through us Allah is known. Through us belief in the Oneness of Allah, the Most Holy, the Most High, is established. Muhammad is the Hijab (curtain) of Allah, the Most Holy, the Most High." And another DIRECTLY stating that the Ahlulbayt (as) are the names/attributes of Allah: h 356, ch. 23, h4: al-husayn ibn muhammad al-ash‘ari and muhammad ibn yahya both have narrated from ahmad ibn ishaq from su‘dan ibn muslim from mu‘awiya ibn ‘ammar from abu ‘abd Allah (as) who has said the following. "he said about the words of Allah, ‘Allah has the most blessed names. you should address him in your worship by these names . . .’ (7:180) the imam said, "we, i swear by Allah, are the most blessed names of Allah without which Allah does not accept any of the good deeds of his servants unless they know us properly." So Husayn Sadr, to answer your statements, and to answer the question in general, not only are the Ahlulbayt (as) an integral part of our worship, but without them, "Allah does not accept any of the good deeds of his servants". Furthermore from your response, you said that as for the Ahlulabayt (as) being able to see and hear and be in control of everything, well I think I have just demonstrated how giving them these attributes of God is not ghuluw, as they themselves claim that they are these attributes. The truth is clear for anyone who wants to learn, and those that would like to continue on their stubborn paths will not accept the truth, even if it is handed to them on a silver platter: "They said: 'We have heard and disobeyed.' " [Al-Qur'an 2:93]
  2. Courtesy of al-islam.org: No intercessor can plead with Him except by His permission.1 Who is he that can intercede with Him except with His permission?2 On that Day, no intercession shall avail, except the one from whom Allah, the Most Gracious has given permission and whose word is acceptable to Him.3 And they cannot intercede, except for Him with whom He is pleased.4 None shall have the power of intercession except one who has received permission or a promise from Allah, the Most Gracious.5 Intercession with Him profits none except for those He permits. We sent no messenger but to be obeyed by the leave of Allah. If they who have been unjust to themselves had come to you (Prophet Muhammad) and begged Allah’s forgiveness, and the Messenger had begged forgiveness for them—indeed they would have found Allah All-Forgiving, Most Merciful.7 (The brothers of Yusuf) said, “O our father! Ask forgiveness from Allah for our sins. Indeed, we have been sinners.” He said, “I will ask my Lord for forgiveness for you.” Verily, He, and only He, is the Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.8 Tell me, if any of the ahlulbayt (as) were with you, physically, in the room, and you had some serious problem or something to deal with, wouldn't you ask them for help? If not, then idk what kind of shia you are. Now you probably would ask them for help, so what difference does it make now that they're bodies are not physically present in the room. Not only do the Ahlulbayt have control over all things, but they can also hear and see all things, and for the true shia and lovers of Ahlulbayt (as), they are with them at all times. So why wouldn't you ask them for help? Just because you can't see them? Furthermore, the Ahlulbayt (as) are the Noor-al-Allah. If you are to cut off the light of the Ahlulbayt, then how do you expect to receive that Noor. Lets say you have a source of light, and you want to get this light to reach a certain point in the room. To focus that light on a certain point, you use mirrors to reflect the light and to aim it onto that certain point. Now what would happen, if you removed one of those mirrors? That certain point would not receive the light. So without those mirrors, or pathways, or TOOLS to receive the light, you wouldn't receive the light. The Ahlulbayt (as) are the tools, the methods, and the "mirrors" in which we receive the walayah, the original light. The Ahlulbayt (as) are the intercessors, medians between humans and Allah, they are how we "get to Allah" (I use this term with caution). Sure you would still be a shia, but you wouldnt be grasping the full beauty, meaning, and reason behind shiism.
  3. we can attain yaqin, but attaining yaqeen, we first need to do Islam, and after we do Islam , we practice Iman, and after we practice Iman, we practice Taqwa, and after we practice Taqwa, we attain Yaqin. To practice Islam, you state the Shahada, you fast, you pray. This is where initial "faith" comes in: La ilaha Illallah, Muhamamdan rasoolullah. Then comes the walayah of God, which is the Walayah of Ahlul bayt, and by doing Ziyarat, Dua, and living our lives sincerely, we attain Iman and eventually Taqwa, where we truly fear Allah, not just through our tongues, but through our hearts, and finally, the goal, is Yaqeen, attaining this objective, certitude of Allah. How are we able to go through this process: through prayer, through reflection, through ziyarat, through dua. one cannot only understand this knowledge, yet not apply it. We need to pray not just because God told us to but because we know that is the only way to get closer to Ahlulbayt, to become cognizant of Allah. The more we pray, the more we are under their protection, under their guardianship or Walayah, the more we live our lives the way we are supposed to live.
  4. Walam yakun lahu kufwan ahad
  5. Well if he's not following Sistani then it really doesnt matter what Sistani says no?
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