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    Leto got a reaction from shia farm girl in Concepts Of Pre-Existence In Islam   
    Thanks for your reaction. The nature of time is an intesting thing in itself. Time does not have an absolute existence. The classic aristotelian approach, which seems very logical to me, is the simple observation that time is the measure of the motion of material objects. To put it in syllogistic terms:
     
    Motion is the foundation of time.
    But matter necessarily involves motion.
    Therefore, matter necessarily involves time.
     
    So pre-existence is that what existed "before" (in fact it is completely outside the "order of time", like God Himself is) matter came into being, before the creation of this world. Like the existence of angels.
     
    The question is whether there are things that have come, by decree of God, into this material world that already had an existence in the immaterial world. In the form of Ideas (to us a neo-platonic concept). To speculate a bit along neo-platonic lines: these Ideas could have serves as kind of blueprints of the material world; the perfect forms of what later would manifest themselves in the world. The perfect light of God that enlightens this world.
     
    All of this is analogical language of course. I don't know if any of the great scholars of kalam have touches upon these questions or not. But I would suspect they would being great scholars of philosophy and theological discourse.
     
    It is not an easy topic and it touches upon some very abstract and even speculative elements of philosophy. But it certainly intrigues me.
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    Leto got a reaction from shia farm girl in Concepts Of Pre-Existence In Islam   
    Dear friends,
     
    Just a question about some concepts I've come across in my modest, and no doubt inadequate, study of islamic doctrine and philosophy. I hope there are some people he that can enlighten me with the backgrounds I need.
     
    There is the concept of "pre-existence". The notion which I almost automatically associate with a neo-platonist philosophical outlook; the concept of immaterial perfect ideas that exist before the creation of material being and that somehow manifest themselves in material creation because they mediate all perfect forms that manifest themselves in created material beings.
     
    These categories obviously had a great influence on the development on Christian theology, to the extend that some doctrines have been developed which Muslims now deem to be going too far and indeed to be a lapse in idolatry. But let's leave that aside for the moment.
     
    But the core as I perceive it is; the idea of pre-existence has become quite a guiding principle in some regards. In the Gospel of John this can be seen with the concept of the Word (Logos) that became flesh; he was before all times and came into the world to be rejected by the Jews who were not able to recognize him. The Church Fathers clearly saw the Logos as the model of creation itself; it was through the Logos that God created men, the rejection of the Logos was as such a rejection of the essential core of what it means to be human, to be created in the image God and called to worship Him in love and obedience.
     
    As it were: the Logos represents an immaterial perfect idea of what it essence of human ontology. All human existence is as it were mediated through the pre-existent Word. The crux is of course whether you define the Logos as created or uncreated; this is where the whole discussion about the Trinity starts but again I hope we can leave that aside for this moment.
     
    My question is how do Muslim scholars look at this concept of the pre-existence? Are there any sayings by the Imams that could shed light on this? I think I've came across some notion of the Qur'an as having a certain pre-existent statute and in some (analogical/philosophical?) form even Imam Ali? How can I understand this better?
     
    And how to see the concept of 'Aql? Like the Greek concepts of Logos and Sophia? Or is altogether different?
     
    How can enlighten me in this? I am keen to learn more.
     
    God bless,
     
    Leto
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    Leto got a reaction from Waseem162 in Reasons I Reject The Bible   
    The good manners and eloquence of the Ahlulbayt is far removed from the attitude of the first post of this topic. This doesn't help any form of debate or dialogue.
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    Leto got a reaction from Waseem162 in Imam Ali's Knowledge   
    The al-islam.org site is really a treasure of knowledge and inspiration. At the moment I am reading the "Journey of Tears" by Bashir Hassanali Rahim. Contemplating the life of Imam Husayn and realizing his sacrifice is a potent spiritual cure for sin. One understands the shame of being a slave to sin when he realizes that someone like Imam Husayn sacrificed everything to remain free and noble. It helps me a lot!
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    Leto reacted to reisiger in Isis Destroy Ancient Artifacts   
    The thing I keep coming back to is the thought that this is what happens when one is too simplistic and literal in one's understanding of the Deen.  Their rejection of scholars and reason is telling enough, but seriously, these are ancient artefacts not idols actually worshipped.  Perhaps they should consider the idols of today to be money, sports figures, entertainers, etc.  You know, things that people practically worship and which distract them from the remembrance of Allah Swt.
     
    Notme said it best: idiots.
     
    Indeed.
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    Leto got a reaction from Nader Zaveri in Concepts Of Pre-Existence In Islam   
    In platonism the term "idea" has a different meaning as it has in contemporary English (and many other languages). It refers to substantial immaterial realities that are actually superior, and more real, than the material world. In a certain way you could see it is as the "immaterial foundation" of the cosmological order.
     
    Just from Wikipedia:
     
     
    Plato's theory of Forms or theory of Ideas asserts that non-material abstract (but substantial) forms (or ideas), and not the material world of change know to us through sensation, possess the highest and most fundamental kind of reality. When used in this sense, the word form or idea is often capitalized... Plato spoke of Forms in formulating a possible solution to the problem of universals.
     
    Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_forms
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    Leto got a reaction from Nader Zaveri in Concepts Of Pre-Existence In Islam   
    Dear friends,
     
    Just a question about some concepts I've come across in my modest, and no doubt inadequate, study of islamic doctrine and philosophy. I hope there are some people he that can enlighten me with the backgrounds I need.
     
    There is the concept of "pre-existence". The notion which I almost automatically associate with a neo-platonist philosophical outlook; the concept of immaterial perfect ideas that exist before the creation of material being and that somehow manifest themselves in material creation because they mediate all perfect forms that manifest themselves in created material beings.
     
    These categories obviously had a great influence on the development on Christian theology, to the extend that some doctrines have been developed which Muslims now deem to be going too far and indeed to be a lapse in idolatry. But let's leave that aside for the moment.
     
    But the core as I perceive it is; the idea of pre-existence has become quite a guiding principle in some regards. In the Gospel of John this can be seen with the concept of the Word (Logos) that became flesh; he was before all times and came into the world to be rejected by the Jews who were not able to recognize him. The Church Fathers clearly saw the Logos as the model of creation itself; it was through the Logos that God created men, the rejection of the Logos was as such a rejection of the essential core of what it means to be human, to be created in the image God and called to worship Him in love and obedience.
     
    As it were: the Logos represents an immaterial perfect idea of what it essence of human ontology. All human existence is as it were mediated through the pre-existent Word. The crux is of course whether you define the Logos as created or uncreated; this is where the whole discussion about the Trinity starts but again I hope we can leave that aside for this moment.
     
    My question is how do Muslim scholars look at this concept of the pre-existence? Are there any sayings by the Imams that could shed light on this? I think I've came across some notion of the Qur'an as having a certain pre-existent statute and in some (analogical/philosophical?) form even Imam Ali? How can I understand this better?
     
    And how to see the concept of 'Aql? Like the Greek concepts of Logos and Sophia? Or is altogether different?
     
    How can enlighten me in this? I am keen to learn more.
     
    God bless,
     
    Leto
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    Leto reacted to CaLiFoRniA in Concepts Of Pre-Existence In Islam   
    Then you certainly must read The Divine Guide in Early Shī'ism by Mohammad Ali Amir-Moezzi.
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    Leto got a reaction from IbnSohan in Deepening Knowledge Of Ahlulbayt   
    This week I've read the book "The Perfect Man" by Ayatullah Murthada Mutahhari as Imam Ali as a perfect example of ethics. What a brilliant book about philosophical anthropology!
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    Leto got a reaction from CLynn in Pope Meets U.s. President   
    The Pope has spoken out against American plans to invade Syria in the past. It is nonsense to believe that the Catholic Church is allied to Western politics.
     
    About Stalin and the Pope: the role of John Paul II in the collapse of communism is quite famous and well-known really.
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    Leto got a reaction from HamzaTR in Shiachatters Blogs   
    My blog with personal texts and reflections:
     
    http://sarastro-lucis.tumblr.com/
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    Leto got a reaction from Grief in Deepening Knowledge Of Ahlulbayt   
    This week I've read the book "The Perfect Man" by Ayatullah Murthada Mutahhari as Imam Ali as a perfect example of ethics. What a brilliant book about philosophical anthropology!
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    Leto reacted to Yasmeena in My Soul Contemplates Lady Al-Zahra (As)   
    Salam,
    I never thought Id browse through the poetry forum but I think from now on I will be checking in occasionally :) This is beautiful.
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    Leto got a reaction from Durr-e-Najjaf in My Soul Contemplates Lady Al-Zahra (As)   
    Thank you! I am very happy that you like it.
     
    I've decided to put the poem on a blog site ( http://sarastro-lucis.tumblr.com ) and sign it with the pen name "Sarastro Lucis", simply to be able to sign the poem without having to give my own name. You are free to share the poem as you see fit but please put the pen name underneath it. :)
    Thank you for your reaction!
     
    No at the moment I am not a Shia. But when I study the Ahlulbayt my souls burns with a great joy and so I want to express this love to them in my own limited way. But who knows what the future holds. :)
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    Leto got a reaction from Durr-e-Najjaf in My Soul Contemplates Lady Al-Zahra (As)   
    The second poem I wrote. I just like to share it with you without pretending that it would have any special merit. This poem is inspired by my contemplation of the person of Lady Fatimah al-Zahra (as) and the peace that gives to my soul.
     
     My soul contemplates Lady Al-Zahra (as)
     
    As I walked the roads of many lands,
    I saw the beggars of this world stretching out their hands,
    People desiring wealth and glory they can possess,
    believing their happiness lies in wealth and fine dress.
     
    Long have I ponderd which way to follow,
    for the promises of this world often prove hollow.
    Power, might and riches cannot bring true light,
    the rulers of this world destroy each other for vain might.
     
    But when all seemed dark there appeared a radiance so strong,
    shining forth from the place where all souls belong.
    It is the light of a Sun not from this earth,
    a treasure of the highest worth.
     
    It is the fragrance of a Flower nipped in the bud,
    a being too pure for this world's mud.
    A Lady whose virtuous light drives out all fears,
    for her passing the faithful still shed countless tears.
     
    Her Radiance was a beauty too great for this world to stand,
    and so her light was taken away to dwell in the Eternal Land.
    There she walks in gardens evergreen,
    leaving behind her children with the sure hope of their Deen.
     
    But still the rays of her love touch the faithful one,
    embracing his soul with her light under and upon.
    Filling the upright with chastity, love and strength,
    to follow his Lady to the Paradise she went.
     
    Now I know that by following this Radiance I will find the way,
    to stand firm on the Final Day.
    When all wrongs will be righted and judgements heard,
    and our Lady will once again walk this earth.
     
    -Leto
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    Leto got a reaction from Martyrdom in My Soul Contemplates Lady Al-Zahra (As)   
    The second poem I wrote. I just like to share it with you without pretending that it would have any special merit. This poem is inspired by my contemplation of the person of Lady Fatimah al-Zahra (as) and the peace that gives to my soul.
     
     My soul contemplates Lady Al-Zahra (as)
     
    As I walked the roads of many lands,
    I saw the beggars of this world stretching out their hands,
    People desiring wealth and glory they can possess,
    believing their happiness lies in wealth and fine dress.
     
    Long have I ponderd which way to follow,
    for the promises of this world often prove hollow.
    Power, might and riches cannot bring true light,
    the rulers of this world destroy each other for vain might.
     
    But when all seemed dark there appeared a radiance so strong,
    shining forth from the place where all souls belong.
    It is the light of a Sun not from this earth,
    a treasure of the highest worth.
     
    It is the fragrance of a Flower nipped in the bud,
    a being too pure for this world's mud.
    A Lady whose virtuous light drives out all fears,
    for her passing the faithful still shed countless tears.
     
    Her Radiance was a beauty too great for this world to stand,
    and so her light was taken away to dwell in the Eternal Land.
    There she walks in gardens evergreen,
    leaving behind her children with the sure hope of their Deen.
     
    But still the rays of her love touch the faithful one,
    embracing his soul with her light under and upon.
    Filling the upright with chastity, love and strength,
    to follow his Lady to the Paradise she went.
     
    Now I know that by following this Radiance I will find the way,
    to stand firm on the Final Day.
    When all wrongs will be righted and judgements heard,
    and our Lady will once again walk this earth.
     
    -Leto
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    Leto reacted to _Mostafaa in Deepening Knowledge Of Ahlulbayt   
    Assalamu Alaikum.
     
    When the following verse of the Qur'an was revealed, "(As for) those who believe and do good, surely they are the best of creatures" [Qur'an 98:7]
     
    The Prophet (s) said to Ali, "It is for you and your Shi'ah."
     
    He further said, "I swear by the one who controls my life that this man (Ali) and his Shi'ah shall secure deliverance on the Day of Resurrection."
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    Leto got a reaction from Grief in My Soul Contemplates Lady Al-Zahra (As)   
    Thank you! I am very happy that you like it.
     
    I've decided to put the poem on a blog site ( http://sarastro-lucis.tumblr.com ) and sign it with the pen name "Sarastro Lucis", simply to be able to sign the poem without having to give my own name. You are free to share the poem as you see fit but please put the pen name underneath it. :)
    Thank you for your reaction!
     
    No at the moment I am not a Shia. But when I study the Ahlulbayt my souls burns with a great joy and so I want to express this love to them in my own limited way. But who knows what the future holds. :)
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    Leto got a reaction from Raven in My Soul Contemplates Lady Al-Zahra (As)   
    The second poem I wrote. I just like to share it with you without pretending that it would have any special merit. This poem is inspired by my contemplation of the person of Lady Fatimah al-Zahra (as) and the peace that gives to my soul.
     
     My soul contemplates Lady Al-Zahra (as)
     
    As I walked the roads of many lands,
    I saw the beggars of this world stretching out their hands,
    People desiring wealth and glory they can possess,
    believing their happiness lies in wealth and fine dress.
     
    Long have I ponderd which way to follow,
    for the promises of this world often prove hollow.
    Power, might and riches cannot bring true light,
    the rulers of this world destroy each other for vain might.
     
    But when all seemed dark there appeared a radiance so strong,
    shining forth from the place where all souls belong.
    It is the light of a Sun not from this earth,
    a treasure of the highest worth.
     
    It is the fragrance of a Flower nipped in the bud,
    a being too pure for this world's mud.
    A Lady whose virtuous light drives out all fears,
    for her passing the faithful still shed countless tears.
     
    Her Radiance was a beauty too great for this world to stand,
    and so her light was taken away to dwell in the Eternal Land.
    There she walks in gardens evergreen,
    leaving behind her children with the sure hope of their Deen.
     
    But still the rays of her love touch the faithful one,
    embracing his soul with her light under and upon.
    Filling the upright with chastity, love and strength,
    to follow his Lady to the Paradise she went.
     
    Now I know that by following this Radiance I will find the way,
    to stand firm on the Final Day.
    When all wrongs will be righted and judgements heard,
    and our Lady will once again walk this earth.
     
    -Leto
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    Leto got a reaction from HamzaTR in My Soul Contemplates Lady Al-Zahra (As)   
    Thank you! I am very happy that you like it.
     
    I've decided to put the poem on a blog site ( http://sarastro-lucis.tumblr.com ) and sign it with the pen name "Sarastro Lucis", simply to be able to sign the poem without having to give my own name. You are free to share the poem as you see fit but please put the pen name underneath it. :)
    Thank you for your reaction!
     
    No at the moment I am not a Shia. But when I study the Ahlulbayt my souls burns with a great joy and so I want to express this love to them in my own limited way. But who knows what the future holds. :)
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    Leto got a reaction from HamzaTR in My Soul Contemplates Lady Al-Zahra (As)   
    The second poem I wrote. I just like to share it with you without pretending that it would have any special merit. This poem is inspired by my contemplation of the person of Lady Fatimah al-Zahra (as) and the peace that gives to my soul.
     
     My soul contemplates Lady Al-Zahra (as)
     
    As I walked the roads of many lands,
    I saw the beggars of this world stretching out their hands,
    People desiring wealth and glory they can possess,
    believing their happiness lies in wealth and fine dress.
     
    Long have I ponderd which way to follow,
    for the promises of this world often prove hollow.
    Power, might and riches cannot bring true light,
    the rulers of this world destroy each other for vain might.
     
    But when all seemed dark there appeared a radiance so strong,
    shining forth from the place where all souls belong.
    It is the light of a Sun not from this earth,
    a treasure of the highest worth.
     
    It is the fragrance of a Flower nipped in the bud,
    a being too pure for this world's mud.
    A Lady whose virtuous light drives out all fears,
    for her passing the faithful still shed countless tears.
     
    Her Radiance was a beauty too great for this world to stand,
    and so her light was taken away to dwell in the Eternal Land.
    There she walks in gardens evergreen,
    leaving behind her children with the sure hope of their Deen.
     
    But still the rays of her love touch the faithful one,
    embracing his soul with her light under and upon.
    Filling the upright with chastity, love and strength,
    to follow his Lady to the Paradise she went.
     
    Now I know that by following this Radiance I will find the way,
    to stand firm on the Final Day.
    When all wrongs will be righted and judgements heard,
    and our Lady will once again walk this earth.
     
    -Leto
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    Leto reacted to Ethics in My Soul Contemplates Lady Al-Zahra (As)   
    are you really not a shia ^_^
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    Leto reacted to Grief in My Soul Contemplates Lady Al-Zahra (As)   
    (bismillah)
     
    (salam)
     
    "A Lady whose virtuous light drives out all fears,
    for her passing the faithful still shed countless tears."
     
    Wow!!!... :cry: This is actually some of the most eloquent and meaningful poetry I've ever read... SubhanAllah... May I share this one Leto? If you allow me, what name should I put as the author?
     
    (wasalam)
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    Leto got a reaction from Abu Hadi in My Soul Contemplates Lady Al-Zahra (As)   
    The second poem I wrote. I just like to share it with you without pretending that it would have any special merit. This poem is inspired by my contemplation of the person of Lady Fatimah al-Zahra (as) and the peace that gives to my soul.
     
     My soul contemplates Lady Al-Zahra (as)
     
    As I walked the roads of many lands,
    I saw the beggars of this world stretching out their hands,
    People desiring wealth and glory they can possess,
    believing their happiness lies in wealth and fine dress.
     
    Long have I ponderd which way to follow,
    for the promises of this world often prove hollow.
    Power, might and riches cannot bring true light,
    the rulers of this world destroy each other for vain might.
     
    But when all seemed dark there appeared a radiance so strong,
    shining forth from the place where all souls belong.
    It is the light of a Sun not from this earth,
    a treasure of the highest worth.
     
    It is the fragrance of a Flower nipped in the bud,
    a being too pure for this world's mud.
    A Lady whose virtuous light drives out all fears,
    for her passing the faithful still shed countless tears.
     
    Her Radiance was a beauty too great for this world to stand,
    and so her light was taken away to dwell in the Eternal Land.
    There she walks in gardens evergreen,
    leaving behind her children with the sure hope of their Deen.
     
    But still the rays of her love touch the faithful one,
    embracing his soul with her light under and upon.
    Filling the upright with chastity, love and strength,
    to follow his Lady to the Paradise she went.
     
    Now I know that by following this Radiance I will find the way,
    to stand firm on the Final Day.
    When all wrongs will be righted and judgements heard,
    and our Lady will once again walk this earth.
     
    -Leto
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    Leto got a reaction from Pearl178 in My Soul Contemplates Lady Al-Zahra (As)   
    The second poem I wrote. I just like to share it with you without pretending that it would have any special merit. This poem is inspired by my contemplation of the person of Lady Fatimah al-Zahra (as) and the peace that gives to my soul.
     
     My soul contemplates Lady Al-Zahra (as)
     
    As I walked the roads of many lands,
    I saw the beggars of this world stretching out their hands,
    People desiring wealth and glory they can possess,
    believing their happiness lies in wealth and fine dress.
     
    Long have I ponderd which way to follow,
    for the promises of this world often prove hollow.
    Power, might and riches cannot bring true light,
    the rulers of this world destroy each other for vain might.
     
    But when all seemed dark there appeared a radiance so strong,
    shining forth from the place where all souls belong.
    It is the light of a Sun not from this earth,
    a treasure of the highest worth.
     
    It is the fragrance of a Flower nipped in the bud,
    a being too pure for this world's mud.
    A Lady whose virtuous light drives out all fears,
    for her passing the faithful still shed countless tears.
     
    Her Radiance was a beauty too great for this world to stand,
    and so her light was taken away to dwell in the Eternal Land.
    There she walks in gardens evergreen,
    leaving behind her children with the sure hope of their Deen.
     
    But still the rays of her love touch the faithful one,
    embracing his soul with her light under and upon.
    Filling the upright with chastity, love and strength,
    to follow his Lady to the Paradise she went.
     
    Now I know that by following this Radiance I will find the way,
    to stand firm on the Final Day.
    When all wrongs will be righted and judgements heard,
    and our Lady will once again walk this earth.
     
    -Leto
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