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  1. Furqan, or "The Criterion". Daughter of Muhammad al -Mustafa( peace be upon him and his pure progeny) will guide you to the Truth.
  2. I am a layman, an average person. So I do not try to answer or address things. As I do not have the proper linguistic skills or Knowledge or time . In the absence of a proper response.( some have given it ) not addressed all issues. May be they do not think its important to due to time issues. I will answer for myself and put my thoughts out there, may be not complete - as I may think of something later so the reason for multiple posts. So, here is my understanding, you do not have to like it, or use any on the little things at the bottom. But what I do require is your critique, as it makes me understand any mistake in my thought process or any additional information that I did not think of feel free to add. Its not who gets it right, we all work for the same purpose. We do not believe in copyrights so this is not my thread, it belongs to all to freely add. Or develop on the initial seed idea. This issue of Confrontational Personality. This is a very subjective call and not very scholarly. Intentional or not. It seems to imply, a point that a Mistake was made. It shifts the blame from the maloon(s) (accursed(s)), and points the spotlight on Our Master Imam Al- Husayn(عليه السلام). Directs people away form the Core issue of recognizing the Falsehood. And based on speakers view of all companions were prone to mistakes and error of judgement is fine from his theological point of view. ( I do not agree, but if he arrived it at this conclusion after utilizing his God given gift, Intellect and freewill with full knowledge of the Qu'ran and Sunnah, that is this issue not mine) As he did make his position known as a Non Shia. Quresh/Meccan will brand Muhammad al-Mustafa (peace be upon him and his pure progeny) as confrontational. As the mission was upsetting their status quo. Others may call it less confrontational in the event of the Peace treaty and make question prophethood. Similarly, Our Master Imam Hassan(عليه السلام) would be considered by the Ummayads confrontational at the time of war, later at the time of the peace treaty as less confrontational. It all depends of the Will of their lord. There is a time and place for everything. We do not question a Divine Representative under Divine command and mission which is usually out of our limited and worldly understand. Like the Angles did not initially understand the appointment but once they were given knowledge they did قَالُوا سُبْحَانَكَ لَا عِلْمَ لَنَا إِلَّا مَا عَلَّمْتَنَا ۖ إِنَّكَ أَنْتَ الْعَلِيمُ الْحَكِيمُ {32} [Pickthal 2:32] They said: Be glorified! We have no knowledge saving that which Thou hast taught us. Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Knower, the Wise. or in the case of Prophet Moses(عليه السلام) https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235060322-mistakes-of-Prophets-and-Imams-scholarly-views/?tab=comments#comment-3186214 In general,even in today's times as most people liked status quo after Saqifa, Fadaq, Karbala as it is very dangerous to lives, living standards, perks and family and friends, property, wealth and loss of income or status. So, will brand anything out of the comfort zone as confrontational.
  3. This has been well document in the books mentioned above. The discussion was on the Motives. If this was a Mistake by this ordinary person, like the companions. Others may want to imply an ordinary person and may want to make it a standard method we differentiate ahlul Kisa( people of the cloak) with other Companions who did make mistakes. Where I can't question my Master under Divine will, others can and this is where we disagree. We just refuse to make All ordinary, making mistakes so let's not judge paradigm. Simply will not happen. If we were to question everything in the Qur'an like the motives of Prophet Abraham(عليه السلام) in regards to his son, and the event where he leaves the wife and son in Mecca. Or any other event purely on these guidelines were just assume an ordinary person/people you can may any case. So, its important to understand the Faith - A Divine Representative is always under Divine command. Our secular thinking, or even understanding of the law of that time or Common sense will fail as we do not understand the Will of Al- Mighty Alllah(عزّ وجلّ) like the angles in case of Prophet Adam(عليه السلام) also Like it was in the example of Prophet Moses(عليه السلام) here https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235060322-mistakes-of-Prophets-and-Imams-scholarly-views/?tab=comments#comment-3186214
  4. This is what chatsites are for. People to express their Opinion. In certain sensitive issues, like you have in National Security Issues, where the scrutiny is intense, rights are looked at from Collective point of view. If an random screen name says s/he thinks Our Master Imam Husayn(عليه السلام) made a mistake. Well, its what s/he thinks because s/he has a different point of view. We will take a step back and try to discuss the prerequisites for the main conversation. His/Her view on infallibility or we can't make any headway, s/he will argue mistake and we will argue Divine Will. No conclusion will ever be reached and it will be a waste of all of our time. But if, someone claims to be a Shia, and says a mistake was made, that is a different issue, more scrutiny is required. If someone claims to be a Learned person and makes this claim, it take a different dimension on its own. I understand, people have different views and they need to be respected. For the most part I am now tempted to just ignore any claims and just address issues. On exceptional basis like this one, where we have claims by self proclaimed learned people it becomes a necessity ( for example in the case of a secular countries National Security Concerns.) People do have the right to know. People have the right to claim anything on the internet, likewise people also reserve the right to question and evaluate this claim. As I said, we can just argue the points.
  5. Here, Internet is an Anonymous place, we are all Screen names. We have books available for us lay people to read and get the bigger Picture. Minor Details may vary even among these books, which in overall sense do not change the basic Narrative. . But he Overall - General sense of the Over All Event is here. we can use these as a supplement in addition to the Majalis we attend and other scholars we hear and read. Some minor details may have two or three different versions, which can't be used as flag that our books have deficiencies and we have not been told the Truth. This spin is very common these days and should be handled. Focus on minor details of an event and blow it out of proportion to make it look like major lies have been told to Shia's. In this thread we are not really discussing minor details. We are discussing Opinions of the Anonymous people. https://www.al-Islam.org/event-taff-earliest-historical-account-tragedy-Karbala-Abu-mikhnaf The Event of Taff, The Earliest Historical Account of the Tragedy of Karbala’ Abu Mikhnaf ***** https://www.al-Islam.org/lohoof-sighs-sorrow-Sayyid-ibn-tawus “Al-Lohoof ala Qatla al-Tofuf” Sayyid Ibn Tawus ***** https://www.al-Islam.org/nafasul-mahmum-relating-heart-rending-tragedy-Karbala-shaykh-Abbas-qummi Nafasul Mahmum, Relating to the heart rending tragedy of Karbala' Shaykh 'Abbas Qummi If anyone have an issue with articles from al-Islam.org. First of all these are not articles from al-Islam.org. These are Books on al-Islam by the above authors. Plus you can order these in printed from like any other book available in the market.
  6. Just as an FYI. Allah(عزّ وجلّ) does not come down to Earth to set things aright. We are not here to eat, sleep, and procreate. الَّذِينَ أُخْرِجُوا مِنْ دِيَارِهِمْ بِغَيْرِ حَقٍّ إِلَّا أَنْ يَقُولُوا رَبُّنَا اللَّهُ ۗ وَلَوْلَا دَفْعُ اللَّهِ النَّاسَ بَعْضَهُمْ بِبَعْضٍ لَهُدِّمَتْ صَوَامِعُ وَبِيَعٌ وَصَلَوَاتٌ وَمَسَاجِدُ يُذْكَرُ فِيهَا اسْمُ اللَّهِ كَثِيرًا ۗ وَلَيَنْصُرَنَّ اللَّهُ مَنْ يَنْصُرُهُ ۗ إِنَّ اللَّهَ لَقَوِيٌّ عَزِيزٌ {40} [Pickthal 22:40] Those who have been driven from their homes unjustly only because they said: Our Lord is Allah - For had it not been for Allah's repelling some men by means of others, cloisters and churches and oratories and mosques, wherein the name of Allah is oft mentioned, would assuredly have been pulled down. Verily Allah helpeth one who helpeth Him. Lo! Allah is Strong, Almighty -
  7. Based on above post, last part about responsibility and ensuring clarity by well wishers is applicable here. Primary Directive should be providing Overall Clarity of bigger picture - to Lay people. https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235060920-migration-of-Imam-hussain-as/?page=4&tab=comments#comment-3196675
  8. Page 2. https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235048350-sermon-of-Fadak-is-it-reliable/?page=2&tab=comments#comment-3194524 Let's end this, with dignity and honor. Or Try your best to bring a new Revelation to undermine it.
  9. Its a good idea to check their Id's(Fundamental beliefs) at the border. Once they are in, its trench (technical) warfare.
  10. Let be candid and not waste every ones time. Unless You all come out and explain your position on infallibility, which is the core of this topic. Questioning an Infallible Divine Representative under Divine Will/ Command/Mission.- will take you out of fold of Islam. or If Your understanding of Mawla- "mostly probably" is a "Beloved Friend"- Try logically explaining how is Muhammad al-Mustafa (peace be upon him and his pure progeny) is "Beloved Friend" Most likely option, if above is not clarified-( which will be a Red flag-) Create an avalanche of non issues to bury/cover. This Thread will go on for ever and will end up with a lot of personal issues and other 'Stuff" or get closed. I am a layman, an average person, as some of you "state" to be people of religious institutions - its your job to clarify not create confusion and take every opportunity to remove doubts. You do not want people to be tangled in sophisticated questionable minor technical issues which will over shadow the Over all Event/Mission and the big picture and lead laypeople agnostic views. Which is not in our best interest. It helps the enemy, just wanted to ensure you all are aware of this, just in case you were not. So, I discharged my responsibility and now the ball is in your court. You all have free will to choose with full knowledge. So, no excuse is left for- I did not know.
  11. It is important to understand the Basics from these two, specially what Zuhair bin al-Qain said . First who was Zuhair, when and how did he join the Imam(عليه السلام). And These are profound statements followed up with Action in the Day of Ashura. Gives us insight into their understanding of Karbala. And their Recognition of the Imam(عليه السلام). They may have doubts before, but after they realized the Truth. Total submission. So, all the Questioning, investigation, duediligence needs to be done into the Concept of the Divine Representative. And who,is the Imam(عليه السلام) of the Time (Divine Representative). No one has ever said we should not do that, but once we have understood the Concept and recognized the Imam(عليه السلام) of the Time. By definition, since the Meaning, Scope and Authority is clear. No Judging, second guessing allowed, as total submission is required. Or it defeats the purpose, and people should circle back to the basics if they really, have a crystal Clear understanding of this Concept. Because, This habit, will fail us here, in the time of - Imam Sahib Al-'Asr Wa Al-Zaman, Al-Hujjah, Al-Muntazar, Al- Qaim, Al-Mahdi(عليه السلام) Only ones who truly do not understand the Concept, or the ones who do not believe in the concept, or the ones who understand but hide - and superficially, pay lip service but their hearts in not inclined will be Trying to question, judge, and second guess the Directive, Motives. So, for this reason, these Topic are very sensitive and should be taken very seriously, or we are party to the blame in misguidance. This facts overrides any personal, individual issues and concerns or sensitivities or pride etc... https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235059122-hurr-al-riyahi/ https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235058897-zuhair-bin-al-qain-joins-al-husayn-as/
  12. Watch form 15min to 30min Tawheed- Not only Oneness- its scope is much larger and deeper. Saqifa, Fadak, Karbala would not have happened if they understood what Tawheed really meant. Your Opinion on this subject of restricted definition of Shirk and Tawheed. Is it the cause of all our issues?
  13. I will post this again, for people with insight/intellect. https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235060322-mistakes-of-Prophets-and-Imams-scholarly-views/?tab=comments#comment-3186214
  14. https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235053851-Abu-al-fadl-al-‘Abbas-as-the-standard-bearer/?tab=comments#comment-3177366 " By God! Even if you sever my right arm, I will persist in defending my faith, And the Imam, who is the true one, for certain, the Prophet's grandson, pure and trustworthy!16 That is, by God even if you cut my right arm I will not flinch from defending Husayn. Not much time passed when his rajaz changed again: O my soul, fear not the faithless,...." ***** They are lost, because they do not understand. Learn about his Master from him.
  15. FYI https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235060208-the-massacre-of-Karbala-a-historical-analysis-non-Shia-view/?tab=comments#comment-3184255
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