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  1. Matt. 27.52-53 People came out of their graves. That's why it was reported they did so. This fulfills the prophecy, "Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel" (Ez. 3.7/12). By the way, however you want to interpret this or even if it is wrong doesn't matter because it is a secondary matter. Deal with what really matters... We know Allah is Satan because God is not a deceiver. God would not have deceived the disciples and besides, group hallucinations are impossible. Islam has no credibility, because no historian considers some guy in a cave all by himself six centuries later that disagrees with what is so firmly proven in so many multiply corroborated sources that Jesus died on the cross. A loving God provides evidence and would never ask you to believe in blindly what Muhammad said. Muhammad is going to Hell with Allah Satan. Since the disciples didn't lie, the writers of the NT didn't lie, Jesus didn't lie to the disciples and God the Father is not a deceiver, then you know Muhammad is a liar or deceived or both, and Satan the father of lies is Allah, a liar and a deceiver. Repent and give your life to Christ. Come to the cross as a helpless sinner and receive the Lord Jesus as Savior and so shall you be saved. Oh about that snake. It's a technique to make the snake act like a rod. Indians know how ot do it. Basically they tickle behind the snakes head and he goes still as a rod.
  2. We know Allah is Satan because God is not a deceiver. God would not have deceived the disciples and besides, group hallucinations are impossible. Islam has no credibility, because no historian considers some guy in a cave all by himself six centuries later that disagrees with what is so firmly proven in so many multiply corroborated sources that Jesus died on the cross. A loving God provides evidence and would never ask you to believe in blindly what Muhammad said. Muhammad is going to Hell with Allah Satan. Since the disciples didn't lie, the writers of the NT didn't lie, Jesus didn't lie to the disciples and God the Father is not a deceiver, then you know Muhammad is a liar or deceived or both, and Satan the father of lies is Allah, a liar and a deceiver. Repent and give your life to Christ. Come to the cross as a helpless sinner and receive the Lord Jesus as Savior and so shall you be saved.
  3. When Jesus died, He went to Abraham's bosom. When He rose the 3rd day He spent 40 days with the disciples then went to the right hand of the Father, being co-equal with Him, and in creation showing perfect obedience to the Father as only God the Son could do. No man could. "A little while, and you will no longer see me" because of His crucifixion! "And again a little while, and you will see me, because I go to the Father" because of His resurection! AND ascension!" Because He is going to the Father He can only spend 40 days on earth after His resurrection. 40 is significant. It's enough time. Israel was in the wilderness for 40 years. Jesus was tempted by Satan for 40 days. 40 seems to be a test of some sort. The Qu'ran is just plain wrong, non-evidence, and can't overturn the evidence of the primary sources. Silly. Satan would cause misunderstanding not God, so Satan has deceived Muslims into thinking the disciples were deceived which goes against the evidence that the disciples were not deceived, since group hallucinations are acccording to modern day psychology IMPOSSIBLE! It's enough to know the Qu'ran is wrong and not of God because clearly Jesus died on the cross. A person of faith need go no futher than that and need not consider the Qu'ran further. Simply now read God's word, the 66 books of the Bible, intently and forge your reliationship with the Father through Jesus. Amen.
  4. God created Hades below, man, and God can enter His creation through the womb of Mary. He can enter the likeness of flesh and allow evil men to kill Him in the flesh to atone for sins, go down to Abraham's bosom and raise Himself from the grave on the 3rd day. Very logical! What is not logical is to claim Jesus didn't die on the cross when there is no evidence six centuries later. No historian considers that credible historicity to rely on some guy in a cave all by himself six centuries later. This is how I know the Qu'ran is not of God. Silly.
  5. Just curious to see if you could find some evidence that Jesus didn't die on the cross. I guess you can't. God would never ask you to believe in something that goes against the evidence and without any evidence to have faith in Allah. The Bible says "prove all things". This is quite a different than what you worship. I believe Satan tries to get us to believe things without evidence, so sin begets sin and to believe other lies on top of that. This was the dead on the cross. The cross is the too of crucifixion. Your words are modalistic when you said, "God took His Spirit unto Himself". That's wrong. Modalim is the heresy of confusing the Son for the Father and calling the Godhead a Person rather than 3 Persons. God the Son gave up His spirit, that is, the life that he lives by in the body fashioned in the likeness of men. It is not the Father's spirit. The Father has His own spirit. The Son has His own spirit. And the Spirit His own spirit. The Godhead is a Trinity. Each Person is co-equal and co-inherent. This is way to explain God's complexity in a way we can't quite grasp but we know is true because Jesus made Himself equal with the Father, did the perfect will of the Father as only God could do, and gave the Holy Spirit to indwell believers (Christians). Jesus was going down to the good side of Hades, Abraham's bosom, in soul sleep when he gave up his spirit to God's control what the Jews called Paradise below in contraist to Paradise above. He met the repentant thief there.
  6. Definitely the disciple is John that is at the cross with Jesus since it is only John that knows this incident since he wrote the book of John. He even speaks of himself as that disciple in the 3rd person whom Peter was enquiring about. So anyway the crux of the issue is we have lots of evidence for Jesus' dying the cross. People are allowed to go to the cross such as the women and impart it to others and so this is how they know. This is why the women went to the tomb because Jesus had died on the cross. This is why Joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus took his body to the tomb because he died on the cross. Of the 45 sources we have of Jesus within 150 years of His death over half of them speak of his death. And 24 of them speak of his resurrection. Amazing. The Qu'ran has no credibility coming along six centuries later without evidence claiming Jesus didn't die on the cross. This is how you know the Qu'ran is not of God. You've been lied to by Muslims.
  7. Modern Biblical scholarship is virtually unanimous none else but Matthew could have written Matthew, Mark written Mark, Luke written Luke and John written Lue. John places himself at the cross with the women. Since all we have is evidence for the death of Jesus in over half of the sources on Jesus, and nothing to the contrary, no credible historial would consider anything Qu'ran would have to say six centuries later. Historians give weight to the primary sources, that being, the sources in the first century only. The Qu'ran would need some very substantial evidence. It has nothing. It's just conjecture by some guy in a cave all by himself who refused to give his life to Christ and didn't read the Bible very carefully. Hence the Qu'ran is not of God.
  8. I am not sure of what doctrine you are talking about thousands of years later. The books were written when the events took place and the Jews were looking for their Messiah that would atone for sins (Is. 53). "It was made to appear..." is your Allah deceiving them. But that's Satan for God would not deceive them. There is no indication they were deceived. They did not lie, Jesus did not, so who lied but Allah or Muhammad? There are no original surviving copies for anything in antiquity, Papyri gets old and needs to be copied. The Bible goes through the witnesses. Peter is a witness, James is a witness, Paul is a witness, John is a witness. All the original disciples believed they saw Jesus alive from the dead. Paul even said of the 500 anyone of them could come forward if Paul was not teaching what was originaly taught. Gary R. Habermas is way ahead of you. He has taken all the scholars from 1975, and they almost all agree the disciples truly believed they had seen Jesus alive from the dead in various group settings. Nobody has been able to find a naturalistic explanation to account for this. Virtually 100% agree Jesus died on the cross so Islam is considered of no account. Just as God raised Jesus from the dead so He raised some from their graves. One thing to learn is you don't even have to worry about the inerrancy of the Bible, but just focus on what most scholars agree that the disciples truly believed they had seen Jesus alive from the dead. There may have been but it did not survive. Apparently people die all the time and scratch out of their graves so it is not something to write about. Such a demand is unreasonable. Matt. 27.52-53 could be false and would have no bearing on the eyewitness testimony of the original disciples. You demand evidence for secondary matters yet you need no evidence six centuries later to claim Jesus didn't die on the cross? That's an unethical doublestandard not treating others as you would like to be treated. You are not reading the Qu'ran properly, it doesn't say "came to" but it "It was made to appear...", but that is evil to deceive the disciples. Since the disciples believed they had seen and talked with Jesus alive from the dead in various group settings, that Jesus didn't lie, and God the Father wouldn't lie then we know it was Muhammad and Allah that are liars, the father of lies. You should because over 99% of scholars agree that Paul really wrote 1 Cor. 15, Gal. 1 & 2 in which he said he spent 15 days with Peter, with James and John, he recounted in creedal form the gospel message from them and various resurrection appearances. No scholar doubts this authenticity of Paul's testimony.
  9. That's really really vague to say it appeared so and just leave it hanging. The problem with that beside it being vague and unspecific and coy is the disciples said they had seen Jesus alive from the dead and talked with him in various group settings over 40 days. The disciples didn't lie, Jesus didn't lie to them and God the Father didn't deceive them. The primary sources are the Bible which multiply attest to the life, death, burial and resurrection of Jesus. There are 12 different group settings seeing Jesus alive from the dead. http://www3.telus.ne...ks/12groups.htm The extant sources for the Bible are far more numerous and closer to their events than for anyone or anything in antiquity so that's not a problem. The problem for you is you can't find a naturalisic explanation for the origin of the disciples' beliefs and you have no evidence or authority to come along six centuries later to say Jesus didn't die on the cross against many sources that attest to His death and resurrection, so no credible scholars gives the Qur'an any consideration. [Note from Mod: Post edited - We encourage that the use of language is respectful to everyone's beliefs.]
  10. These words six centuries later are obsurd, just made up. God would be evil if he made it to appear that Jesus was killed to the disciples. God would never do that, but Satan would. There is no purpose to deceive the disciples, except for Satan there is a purpose to cast doubt on the crucifixion of Jesus, but ultimately Satan fails because there is no doubt, because all the evidence tells us Jesus died on the cross and the disciples truly believed they had seen Jesus alive from the dead. Nothing can account for this so it is true. There was nobody qualified to write Matthew than Matthew. Matthew was a tax collector and emphasized Jesus as king in Matthew. Nobody can fill the shoes of Mark who wrote Mark and even placed himself in the text running in the street naked. Luke definitely wrote Luke since he said Acts was part two of his former working with the opening statement to Theophilus in both accounts. And nobody at all was qualified to write John but John. John writes, placing himself at the cross with the women. Luke emphasized Jesus as a man, for Luke was a doctor. John the disciple whom Jesus loved most emphasized Jesus as God and full of love. Mark was very basic in his writing style and simple. He was fickle with Paul, and Paul didn't want to travel on a trip with him because he bailed out last time. Most scholars can think of none else but these four men as the authors. People can check on all this that I have said. It's all common knowledge in the Scriptures. Jesus is the most documented person in antiquity. There are more sources about Jesus within 150 years of his death than any ten figures combined. If you think this is a lack of evidence then you will have to deny the existence of everyone in antiquity. I don't know any historians who takes your approach. His death is also well recorded. More than half of the 45 sources speak of his death, and 24 of them speak of his resurrection. All the NT is the primary source for Jesus, not just the gospels. For example, Paul said he saw Jesus and spent 15 days with Peter, and with John and James on more than one occassion. It's safe to say they talked about more than just the weather. Paul recounts the life, death, burial and resurrection of Jesus that he said he received from them, giving it in creedal form 1 Cor. 15. Most scholars place his meeting with James and Peter within 5 years after the cross. Historians take the entire NT like any other historical document and glean what facts they can from it. And there are no contradictions in the Bible. In short, we have more than ample documentation for the life, death, burial and resurrection of Jesus meeting standards far in excess of what is normally used as a historical document for antiquity in depth, breadth and number of sources. Since there is no evidence Jesus didn't die on the cross and nobody even suggested it in the first two centuries, it's not an issue. There are several cults out there that take the approach Islam takes, but that's what make a cult is to have no evidence. The Qu'ran is irrelevant since you can't come along six centuries later without any evidence. God would be evil to ask you to believe so blindly so I am sure it is Satan's work. Since the disciples said they saw Jesus alive from the dead in various group settings, but they didn't lie and Jesus didn't lie, then the liar must be the Qu'ran, since God would not deceive the disciples. That's something Satan would try to do.
  11. Just give into logic. 1) No evidence Jesus didn't die on the cross; lots of evidence he did die on the cross, so he died on the cross. 2) The disciples truly believed in their heart of hearts and with their eyes they saw Jesus alive from the dead in various group settings. There is no naturalistic explanation to account for this, so Jesus raised himself from the dead proving He is God. 3) Jesus prayed to the Father and when He ascened He gave the Holy Spirit. Only Jesus could do the perfect will of the Father as only God the Son could. Hence, we see the 3 forms of God here. So "let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: made in the likeness of men. And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name [only God can have a name above every name]: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of [things] in heaven, and [things] in earth, and [things] under the earth; And [that] every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ [is] Lord, to the glory of God the Father" (Phil. 2.5-11). God is showing us He is relational in His 3 Persons. Before the foundations of the world the 2nd Person of the Trinity agreed to atone for the sins of the world as well to show man how to live in perfect obedience to the Father by the Holy Spirit given to all those who are born-again, selflessly giving their lives to Christ. Give your life to God the Son.
  12. Yes, not only did He say He would die on the cross and raise Himself the 3rd day, but He did it which is well testified. Since the disciples truly believed in the heart of hearts they had seen Jesus alive from the dead in various group settings, and group hallucinations are impossible, then we know Jesus really resurreced Himself proving He is God and salvation is only through Him.
  13. Allah said Jesus didn't die on the cross, but since Allah is wrong, then Allah is not God. 1/3 (Father) + 1/3 (Son) + 1/3 (Spirit) = 1 God in 3 Persons. Each Person of the Godhead is infinitely co-equal. God reveals Himself to us in His complexity in 3 Persons. In the council of the Godhead before the foundations of the world the 3 Persons of the Godhead agreed the 2nd Person would atone for sins. When God created, the Father spoke it, the Son created, and the Spirit renwed it. When I pray to God, I pray to the Father through the Son by the Spirit. The Son showed perfect obedience to the Father because only God could. Jesus is the only sinless person who ever lived because He is God.
  14. The primary sources for what the original disciples believed was that they had seen Jesus alive from the dead, ate with Him, talked with Him, even touched His side where the spear pierced his lungs and heart cavity. They even went to their deaths as martyrs unwilling to relinquish their testimony they had see Jesus alive from the dead after He died on the cross. The problem I have with Muslims is that clearly the disciples received this impression from Jesus, so does that not leave you in a precarious positoin? As the disciples set up the earliest churches based on the atonement through the death and resurrection of Jesus to be saved by grace through faith and be born-again. If Jesus didn't lie and the disciples didn't lie then my conscience places me in situation where there is no other option than it must be true Jesus is God, for only God can resurrect Himself after He takes upon himself the sins of the world for forgiveness of sins and gives power over sin by those in Christ having died on the cross to our old man.
  15. Where is the Evidence for Believing Jesus Didn't Die on the Cross? I know Muslims claim Jesus never went to the cross, but of the 45 sources about Jesus within 150 years of his death no one claims that Jesus didn't die the cross, and the bulk of these sources do mention his death on the cross (see Ancient Evidence for the Life of Jesus, The Historical Jesus, and The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus by Gary R. Habermas). How can you come along six centuries later and say the complete opposite of what has been recorded historically? Normally historians focus on the primary sources closes to the timing of the events, so the Qu'ran is given no consideration because it has no evidence and we can't trust any spirit for that would not be prudent. Faith should be backed up by evidence. Test the spirits and "prove all things". "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world" (1 John 4.1). If it does not line up with the word of God it is not to be trusted. "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good" (1 Thess. 5.21).
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