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Lonely warrior

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  1. As for scanned page you posted the only one hadith there related to our talk is hadith from Muwatta. Imam Malik narrated it in balaghat form, without any chain, so it's weak, not established. Anyway here you go Lots other narrations.
  2. Sure brother. Just we were talking in different languages with Al-Ghadeer.
  3. Abul Qasem al-Khui was asked and he answered: 5 ÇáÓÄÇá: ãÇåæ Íßã ÔÑÈ ÍáíÈ ÇáãÑÃÉ ¡ ÓæÇÁ ßÇä ÇáÔÇÑÈ ÒæÌåÇ ¡ Ãã ÔÎÕÇ ÂÎÑ ¿ ÇáÝÊæì: ÇáÎæÆí: áÇ ÈÃÓ ÈÐáß Ýí äÝÓå Q. What is a ruling upon man on drinking milk of woman, whether the one who drunk her husband or someone else? A. Nothing wrong with that in itself See question 5 http://www.almohajery.com/hashemya62/f1/44food1.htm
  4. (wasalam) Exactly! It's really important to check original source, just to be sure.
  5. Did I say that Ali isn't waliAllah? Seems to me we are speaking in different languages.
  6. Of course sarcasm is obvious in many mentioned points. But I'd like to comment on some of them. Marked part is blatant lie. We don't believe that he was lower that any other companion. We believe that he was 4 from top 4 of companions. It's also not true. Abu Dawud in Sunnan narrated: from Ali ibn AbuTalib: I said to the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him): Your old and astray uncle has died. He said: Go and bury your father, and then do not do anything until you come to me. So I went, buried him and came to him. He ordered me (to take a bath), so I took a bath, and he prayed for me. http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/abudawud/020.sat.html
  7. Again bunch of references? Like above? Can you give here direct ON LINE reference or scan? Because I am sure that if I would refer to mentioned books, I wouldn't find that hadith. Abu Dawud in his Sunnan (501) narrated hadith from Muhammad ibn Abdulmalik ibn Abu Mahzura from his father from grandfather, that prophet (pbuh) taught him azan and in it was phrase "prayer is better than sleep". Hadith is saheeh.
  8. http://gift2shias.com/2010/12/28/big-shia-earthquake/
  9. If you claim that mentioned books on tafsir agreed that this verse was revealed about Ali (ra) , you should give an evidence from sources. Not me. Site from where I copied text of Jalalain is shia one. Because I am in doubt that any sunni would put shia books on his site. And you can see a lot of shia books there on-line. I believe you didn't read all those mentioned books yourself, and just copied it from on-line shia sources. You would be surprised to see how many lies we can find there together. So kind advice don't trust to shias sources when they are quoting from sunni books, or at least try to locate quotes in original sources.
  10. Perfect logic. First of all I don't believe that it was started by Umar. But for the sake of the argument I would accept that. Tell who started to mention Ali (ra) in azan? Your rule: Started by Prophet Mohammed (saw) = Sunnah Started by Any one else After the Prophet = Bid'ah
  11. I can see several good and usual examples of lie in this post. For example reference second to book of Suyuti. It's lie. Because there written: { ÅöäóøãóÇ æóáöíõøßõãõ ٱááóøåõ æóÑóÓõæáõåõ æóٱáóøÐöíäó ÂãóäõæÇú ٱáóøÐöíäó íõÞöíãõæäó ٱáÕóøáÇóÉó æóíõÄúÊõæäó ٱáÒóøßóÇÉó æóåõãú ÑóÇßöÚõæäó } When [‘Abd Allāh] Ibn Salām said, ‘O Messenger of God, our people have shunned us’, the following was revealed: Your patron is God only, and His Messenger, and the believers who establish prayer and pay the alms, bowing down, humble, or performing voluntary prayers. LINK Number 7 is also not true. May be first you and your brother would prove that this verse was revealed about Ali (ra) from authentic narrations?
  12. (salam) We can see shias at al-islam.org cited hadith: People are from various trees and I with Ali are from one tree. You can see them ascribing this hadith to book “Tareeh al-Khulafa” of Suyuti. But they as usual omitted opinion of author himself, and when we refer to original, we can see Suyuti saying that chain is weak. Some other examples of honesty from al-islam.org. http://gift2shias.com/2010/09/27/is-the-book-faraid-al-samtayn-a-sunni-book/ http://gift2shias.com/2010/09/27/maqatil-al-talibeen-a-sunni-book/
  13. Is there a clear nass in the Quran on the imamate of 12 imams? Simple question. No need for long copy pastes or long posts. If yes, present the verse. (Nass) means something with clear and obvious meaning. No they can't.
  14. (salam) Starting this thread with a little fear. I was told that here people are getting banned when they are giving embarrassing questions. Anyway, I'd like to hear what you would say on opinion of some top shia scholars regarding faith of your greatest hadith scholar ever. 1) Muhammad Baqir Majlisi said in his book “Miratul Uqul” : æ ÇÎÊáÝ ÃÕÍÇÈäÇ Ýí Ðáß¡ ÝÐåÈ ÇáÕÏæÞ ÇÈä ÈÇÈæíå æ ÌãÇÚÉ Åáì Ãä ÇáÞÑÂä áã íÊÛíÑ ÚãÇ ÃäÒá æ áã íäÞÕ ãäå ÔíþÁ¡ æ ÐåÈ Çáßáíäí æ ÇáÔíÎ ÇáãÝíÏ ÞÏÓ Çááå ÑæÍåãÇ æ ÌãÇÚÉ Åáì Ãä ÌãíÚ ÇáÞÑÂä ÚäÏ ÇáÃÆãÉ Úáíåã ÇáÓáÇã¡ æ ãÇ Ýí ÇáãÕÇÍÝ ÈÚÖå¡ æ ÌãÚ ÃãíÑ ÇáãÄãäíä ÕáæÇÊ Çááå Úáíå ßãÇ ÃäÒá ÈÚÏ ÇáÑÓæá Õáì Çááå Úáíå æ Âáå æ Óáã æ ÃÎÑÌ Åáì ÇáÕÍÇÈÉ ÇáãäÇÝÞíä Ýáã íÞÈáæÇ ãäå “And our companions differed in this matter (tahrif in Quran). As-Saduq ibn Babaveyh al-Qummi and group hold opinion that Quran is exactly in such form as it was revealed, nothing changed or omitted from it. And Kulayni with sheikh Mufid … and group turned to opinion that gathered Quran with imams (alaihuma salam), as for the (verses) in mushaf it’s (only) some of it, and commander of faithful (salawatullah alaihi) gathered (Quran) as it was revealed after prophet (sallalahu alaihi wa ala alihi wa sallam) and brought it to hypocrites companions, which didn’t accept it from him…”. Source: “Miratul uqul” 3/30 2) Abul Hasan al-Alami said: It should be known, as it apparent from words of siqatul Islam Muhammad ibn Yaqub al-Kulayni, (he) did believe in tahrif in Quran and omission. Because he gave a lot of place to ahadeth about that in his book “al-Kafi”. He expressed that he believe in ahadeth that he narrated in the beginning of his book……. And is the same way (acted) his sheikh Ali ibn Ibrahim al-Qummi. (quoted from “Muqadimatu Tafsir al-Burhan”.) 3) Al-Sayid Ali Al-Faani Al-Asfahani in Araa’ Hawla Al-Quran (Views surrounding the Quran) p. 88: Question 5: Who are those who view [that the Quran was subject to] Tahreef (i.e. alteration), and what is their evidence? Answer: The Answer [is] that a number of Muhaditheen (narrators) and memorizers of traditions deduced from narrations that [the Quran was subject to] Alteration by deductions [made from it]. For that reason they adopted that [the Quran] was subject to Tahreef (alteration) by deducting [from it]. The first from among them, in what I know, is Ali ibn Ibrahim in his Tafseer. Since it was mentioned in it: Abu Al-Hasan Ali Ibn Ibrahim Al-Hashimi Al-Qumi said: “From the Quran is Nasikh and Mansoukh (i.e. Abrogated verses and Abrogating verses) … and from it is a letter [placed] in place of another, and from it is what was Muharaf (altered), and from it is contrary to what Allah -Exalted is He- has revealed” … until he said … “As for what is Altered (Muharaf) from it is like His saying: {But Allah bears witness to that which He has revealed to you} about Ali, that is how it was revealed {… He has sent it down with His knowledge, and the angels bear witness [as well]}[Al-Nisaa 166], and His saying: {O Messenger, announce that which has been revealed to you from your Lord …} about Ali {… and if you do not, then you have not conveyed His message} [Al-Maeda 67]*. And His saying: {Indeed, those who disbelieve and commit wrong [or injustice] …} [in regards to] the rights of the Household of Mohammed {… – never will Allah forgive them, nor will He guide them to a path} [Al-Nisaa 168]**. {And those who have wronged …} the Household of Mohammed their rights {… are going to know to what [kind of] return they will be returned} [Al-shu'araa 227]. And His saying:{And if you could but see} those who have wronged Mohammed’s household their rights {are in the overwhelming pangs of death} [Al-Anaam 93], and from these are plenty which we will mention in its location [1]. What was intended from his speech has been complete. That (i.e. that view of Tahreef) also appears from Al-Kulayni where he narrates traditions apparent in that and does not comment on it. Al-Sayid Al-Jazae’iri also goes to [that view of] Tahreef in his explanations on the two Tahzeebs, and has mentioned an elongated research on that matter in a Treatise which he named -Manbaa’ Al-Haya-” 4) Sayed Tayeeb Mosawi al-Jazairi inhis saying on commentary of Qummi, wrote: æáßä ÇáÙÇåÑ ãä ßáãÇÊ ÛíÑåã ãä ÇáÚáãÇÁ æÇáãÍÏËíä ÇáãÊÞÏãíä ãäåã æÇáãÊÃÎÑíä ÇáÞæá ÈÇáäÞíÕÉ ßÇáßáíäí æÇáÈÑÞì¡ æÇáÚíÇÔí æÇáäÚãÇäí¡ æÝÑÇÊ Èä ÇÈÑÇåíã¡ æÇÍãÏ Èä ÇÈì ØÇáÈ ÇáØÈÑÓí ÕÇÍÈ ÇáÇÍÊÌÇÌ æÇáãÌáÓì¡ æÇáÓíÏ ÇáÌÒÇÆÑí¡ æÇáÍÑ ÇáÚÇãáí¡ æÇáÚáÇãÉ ÇáÝÊæäí¡ æÇáÓíÏ ÇáÈÍÑÇäí æÞÏ ÊãÓßæÇ Ýí ÇËÈÇÊ ãÐåÈåã ÈÇáÂíÇÊ æÇáÑæÇíÇÊ ÇáÊì áÇ íãßä ÇáÇÛãÇÖ ÚäåÇ æÇáÐí íåæä ÇáÎØÈ Çä ÇáÊÍÑíÝ ÇááÇÒã Úáì Þæáåã íÓíÑ ÌÏÇ ãÎÕæÕ ÈÂíÇÊ ÇáæáÇíÉ. “and what is obvious from the words of those other than them, from the early and later scholars of hadith, is the proponence of [the belief in] omission. Such as: al-Kulayni, al-Barqi, al-Ayashi, an-Nomani, and Furat ibn Ibrahim (al-Koofe), Ahmad ibn Abu Talib a-Tabrasi author of “al-Ihtijaj”, al-Majlisi, sayed Jazairi, al-Hurr al-Amili, allama al-Fattuni, sayed al-Bahrani. They have held on tightly to the verses and narrations, that cannot possibly be looked away from, to establish their opinion. The thing that makes disaster less than it is, they said tahrif happen in very small proportion, only in verses on wilayat”. 5) Faiz Kashani in Tafsir as-safi” vol 1, p 52 “As for (the opinion of) OUR SCHOLARS (may Allah be pleased with them (!!!)) on this topic, then what is obvious from Thiqatul Islam Muhammad bin Ya’kub AL-KULAYNI that he believed in the MANIPULATION AND LOSS in the QURAAN because he recorded narrations of this meaning in his book Al-Kafi without criticizing it at all, besides he mentioned at the beginning of his book that he trusted in what he had narrated and also (this applies to) his teacher Ali bin Ibrahim Al-Qummy (may Allah be pleased with him (!!!)) since his tafsir is full of that (manipulation of the Quraan) and he has some extremism on this topic and also Sheikh Ahmad bin Abi Talib Al-TABRASSI (may Allah be pleased with him (!!!)) since he followed these two (on this matter) exactly in his Al-Ihtijaj” So Fayz Kashani, Fani Isfahani, Tayeeb Mosawi al-Jazairi, Majlisi, Amali. They weren't wahabis, salafis, sunnis, sufis. They were 5 shia scholars. At least 3 from them well known. And they said that Kulaini, your muhadith number 1 did believe that Quran has been tampered. So look from whom you are taking your religion.
  15. Narrations from fist link couldn't be a proof for shia that Quran isn't corrupted. You said: Your scholar said: http://gift2shias.com/2010/11/25/allama-abul-hasan-amili-answer-to-shias-who-dont-believe-in-tahrif/ And there is other quote from your book: http://www.al-islam.org/encyclopedia/chapter8/5.html So those mentioned narrations couldn't be a proof for your point. Because: 1) They could refer to comparing narrations with Quran which is with 12-th imam. 2) There is another explanation from Mirza al-Khui. In his book “Minhajul baraa fi sharhil nahjul balagha” (2/206), Mirza Habibulla al-Hashimi al-Khui said: 3) The verse in the Quran in accordance to your book couldn't be a proof that it was not altered. As for ibn Masud and his so called rejection of surahs http://gift2shias.com/2010/11/28/ibn-masood-and-two-last-surahs-from-quran/ http://www.ahlalhdeeth.com/vbe/showthread.php?t=11694 You said it was authentic from him, we believe it wasn't authentic from him. If the talk is about narrations we can start with narration from shia imams, which are mutawatir, and all of them testify that Quran was tampered. Muhammad Salih al-Mazandarani in his http://gift2shias.com/2010/11/24/mazandarani-tahrif-is-mutawatir/, while he was discussing hadith from “al-Kafi” where stated that there were 17 000 verses in Quran, said: ßÇä ÇáÒÇÆÏ Úáì Ðáß ããÇ Ýí ÇáÍÏíË ÓÞØ ÈÇáÊÍÑíÝ æÅÓÞÇØ ÈÚÖ ÇáÞÑÂä æÊÍÑíÝå ËÈÊ ãä ØÑÞäÇ ÈÇáÊæÇÊÑ ãÚäì “Addition on that (number of verses in present Quran) which (mentioned) in hadith omitted by tahrif. And omission of some (part) of Quran and tahrif of it is established from our ways by (ahadeth) tawatur al-manawi”. Ayatolla Shubbar http://gift2shias.com/2010/11/23/ayatolla-shubbar-tahrif-is-mutawatir/: æíãßä ÑÝÚ ÇáÊäÇÝí ÈÇáäÓÈÉ Åáì ÇáÃæøá: ÈÃäø ÇáÞÑÂä ÇáÐí ÃõäÒá Úáì ÇáäÈí Õáøì Çááøå Úáíå æÂáå æÓáøã ÃßËÑ ããøÇ Ýí ÃíÏíäÇ Çáíæã æÞÏ ÃõÓÞØ ãäå ÔíÁ ßËíÑ¡ ßãÇ ÏáøÊ Úáíå ÇáÃÎÈÇÑ ÇáãÊÙÇÝÑÉ ÇáÊí ßÇÏÊ Ãä Êßæä ãÊæÇÊÑÉ “As for the first one, variance could be raised in this way: Quran which was revealed upon messenger (sallalahu alaihi wa alihi wa sallam) is more than we have on our hands in this day. In accordance to countless narrations which are near level of tawatur, many things were omitted from it”. Point to ponder. Almost all their faith shias basing on few texts and among them hadith saqalain. From its text is clear that prophet (pbuh) left with us Quran and ahlalbayt. If shia would see someone humiliating ahlalbayt - they would call him infidel. Why are you so scared to say that those people who humiliated Quran by saying that its corrupted are infidels also? What is more important in saqalain? Quran or ahlalbayt?
  16. Don't close your eyes upon fact that there are different opinion narrated from him on this hadith. From book “Sualat ibn Junayd, Abu Iskhaq Ibrahim ibn Abdullah al-Hanbali li Abu Zakariya Yahya ibn Maeen” pp 284-285, printed by “Darul Madina al-Munawara”. Translation: I heard Yahya ibn Maeen, and question (him) about Umar ibn Ismail ibn Mujalad? He (Yahya) said: “Liar, narrated hadith from Abe Moawiyah from al-Amash from Mujahid from Ibn Abbas from messenger (sallalahu alaihi wa ala alihi wa sallam): “I am city of knowledge and Ali it’s gate”, and this hadith is lie, there is no asl (base) for it”. HERE full discussion regarding that hadith. Tell that to you brother.
  17. قال أبو بكر بن أبي خيثمة عن يحيى بن معين ولد عام مات عمر بن الخطاب وقال غيره ولد في عصر النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم Yahya ibn Moin said he was born in the year when died Umar ibn Hattab. And others said he was born during the era of prophet (pbuh) (taken from Mizzi) Yahya ibn Moin was Imam in Jarh wa Tadil and he said Umar ibn Sad was born after the prophet (pbuh) , and unknown people who said he was born during the era of prophet (pbuh) You can add also AlIjli stated about umar ibn saad: ''He was the one who killed AlHussain, and he is a trustworthy tabi'i I don't know how he died. http://gift2shias.com/2010/11/12/praise-of-shia-scholars-upon-mushabih/ http://gift2shias.com/2010/07/18/nawasib-narrator-in-shia-books/ http://gift2shias.com/2010/05/23/ilm-of-rijal-in-shia-world/
  18. He didn't see prophet (pbuh) Shias quote narrations from people who believed in resemblance of Allah to creation, from nawasib, and you do believe nawasib were disbelievers.
  19. Your definition of companion is wrong. Companion is a person who: a) Seen prophet (pbuh) b.) Believed in him (pbuh) c) Died upon belief. link
  20. First one wasn't companion. Not sure about second one. There were many companions who preferred not to be involved in struggle against companions. So I don't see any blame for ibn Umar (ra) , that he didn't support Ali (ra) No one knew that Hussain (ra) is going for battle, such known alawi like Muhammad ibn al-Hanafiyah also didn't participate in that expedition. Making bayah to Yazid could save a lot of lifes, and saving lifes of the Muslims is indeed sunnah of prophet (pbuh) He (pbuh) agreed to make treaty with mushriks, and to give them back people from them which would accept Islam. Because it was important at that time to agree with such conditions. Bayah to Yazid could avoid his armies from attacking Medina and Mecca.
  21. Here quotation from another work. source
  22. You said: and I quoted ibn Taymiyya cursing people who killed Hussayn (ra) . So people could see who is truthful in his claim. Shame! Shame! You are so interested in discrediting your enemies, that you would reject their clear opinion, and put in their mouth words that they never said.
  23. al-Khirashi quoted his compilation of fatawa. So that's quote directly from him.
  24. With all respect, it's hard to say that he considered imam Hussayn (ra) a criminal, and he thought that Yazid (the non sahabi) had a right to kill Hussayn (ra) (the sahabi) from words that you have posted. I better believe to own words of ibn Taymiyya which were cited from him by sheikh Sulaiman ibn Salih al-Hirashi in the book "Sheikhul Islam ibn Taymiyya lam yakun nasibiyan". At the page 72: "As for those who killed Hussayn, or helped to kill him, or was glad due to that (murder). May curse of Allah, angels and all human be upon him".
  25. (wasalam) Any idea where he said that he is respecting him? Or that's your conclusion from his words?
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