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Significance of 12

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  1. I, once had a debate with a mid 30's iranian women about this, because it did bother me. She gave an explanation which to some extent i agreed too but i don't how much of it is to be blamed on ayatollah khomeini. she said if you're raised in a country that impose evil laws on you and all you see is cruelty in the law, and the ones enforcing it call it Islamic law, wouldn't you naturally grow hatred for Islam while growing up in that community? specially if you don't know the real Islam and all you know it is through your government? she said she doesn't know anything about Islam (she is christian) but the govt. laws were definitely evil and inhumane because of which people were so distressed and had enough of it that they denounced Islam as a whole, only because of a corrupt govt. system. Then this other Old man started cursing all of them, from the prophets to the imams, then all the way to the govt of iran, simply stating that they took away democracy and killed 1000's of men and are still killing us and opressing us and Khomeini is to be blamed for all of this. Very shallow of him but thats what he believed.
  2. irrelevant to this thread but i will answer you, once and a milllion times whoever raises fingers on the prophets character. QURAN is infinity to the power of infinity better than all the ahadith u have put together. Now observe this: By the star when it goes down, (or vanishes). (1) Your companion (Muhammad SAW) has neither gone astray nor has erred. (2) Nor does he speak of (his own) desire. (3) It is only a Revelation revealed. (4) He has been taught (this Qur'ân) by one mighty in power [Jibril (Gabriel)] (5) One free from any defect in body and mind. Prophet never makes mistakes or commits sin. its the basic infrastructure of your religion which shatters into million pieces had the prophet made one mistake(no matter how small). Now lets get back to the topic. peace
  3. Wa alaykom as salam brother, but I'm not sure which information you're referring to, sorry about my poor memory.

  4. I'm sorry but CAN WE PLEASE CLEAN UP THE CONFUSION HERE???? Sahaba DID NOT fight alongside the prophet and DID NOTHING to help in the establishment and spread of Islam. The few good men among the Sahaba did. Sahaba would be a general term for whoever met the prophet even once ( now don't say bukhari lied about this), SO be specific and based on this logic, sahaba are not immune from curses, which comes from emotional outflow on individual basis. I'm sure you would curse the people of medina too who surrounded Umar's house and threatened to kill him because he accepted Islam.
  5. This question came in my mind after my sunni friends numerous times replied, when asked whats the difference between sunni and shia, that " OH the only difference is that sunnis follow the sunnah" which is obviously incorrect, but if thats what you're flaunting, then what r we doing?
  6. Ever since I came to Canada, every single Iranian I've met has this unimaginable hate for ayatollah khomeini and curse him in the most pathetic and disgusting ways. Not one Iranian i've met has said anything good about him (at least here). While Afghans love him and give him utmost respect. I believe we have some dedicated and knowledged iranians here who could help me understand this issue. Why are these people accusing him for whatever's happening to Iran. They blame him for everything. Was he a political figure that ordered destruction of Iran or was it because he banned women walking around in bikins and men from consuming alcohol and living the french life? Since i don't have any knowledge of his history and achievements, I can't really argue with them.
  8. I somewhat understand the meanings of the terms. we are shi'a (shi'as of Ali(A.S)), sunni would mean ones following the sunnah of the prophet. Now, i believe the main difference comes from accepting the right source of information about sunnah. Shi'as believe Ahlul-bayt gave us the authentic info whereas sunnis believe in others. My confusion, my point and my question here is... Aren't we sunni and shi'a at the same time as we have befriended the family of the prophet (pbuh) and at the same time following his sunnah? P.S: This thread is not to promote any kind of heat among the two sects in any way, at least I don't intend so.
  9. I believe its in Punjabi, but I can't fully understand it, off-topic i know but couldn't help but ask about it. thanks
  10. May I quote: “I don’t see any difference between praying Salah behind a Jahmi or a Rafidhi and a Christian or a Jew. They (Jahmiyyah/Rāfida) are not to be greeted, nor are they to be visited, nor are they to be married, nor is their testimony to be accepted, nor are their sacrifices to be eaten.” As much as knowledgeable he was, he was spreading hatred among the Ummah, kinda like Bilal Phillips, only knowledged and not an ass like bilal.
  11. "Ali prayed with me seven years before the other Muslims. He is the siddiq al akbar (the greatest truthful) and the faruq al azam (the greatest distinguisher of truth from falsehood). Whoso claims either of these titles is a liar." Can you please give me the reference to this. thanks a lot

  12. Allah has clearly legitimized muta'h in Qur'an 4:24. Yusuf Ali: Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess. thus hath Allah ordained (prohibitions) against you: except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property,― desiring chastity, not lust. Seeing that ye derive benefit from them give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if, after a dower is prescribed, ye agree mutually (to vary it) there is no blame on you, and Allah is All-Knowing All-Wise. Imam Malik issued a Fatwa that Mut'ah is halaal: We read in Fatwa Qadhi khan Volume 1 p 151 al Nikah Fayl: "Mut'ah cannot be Nikah , Mut'ah is false, it should not be practised, Ibn Abbas and Imam Malik had differing views, in their views this was practicable". Umar said: It (Mut'ah) was permissible during the time of Allah's Messenger (S) but from now henceforth I declare it forbidden and will punish those who practice it'. He knew better than the Prophet(PBUH), wonder how did Allah make that mistake and appoint muhammad as His prophet while Umar was just around the corner.
  13. First you have to know the definition of sahaba, who are they? according to Sahih Al-bukhari who ever met the prophet(PBUH). so that includes numerous people, good, not so good and bad people, like uthman's cousin that the prophet sent into exile and when uthman became the caliph, he brought him back accusing the prophet that if the prophet was alive, he would want him to come back. sahaba is a very broad term. it s wrong to curse all sahaba, cuz that includes a lot of pious and good people, but its ok to "la3n" those where its due, but only if you're certain of their actions. I've heard that before brother, can you please give me proper reference(s) to this, cuz abu-bakr self-declared himself as-siddiq. I just wanted to confirm this.
  14. OK now looks like we have no basis for argument since according to you: 1) Jihad means killing handful of misguided people (apostates) 2) Burning people as punishment is humanly sane and appropriate for mankind.
  15. Thank you brother for taking your time to explain to me. My point here is that, If one is a Muslim, who is he accepting? you, me, some mullah, some historian or Allah????? and if he goes against Allah and commits apostasy, who is he against? me, you, historians, mullahs etc, or Allah? we all worship HIM and to HIM we report at the end. If we accept His religion, we're accepting his blessings, if we don't, if we're accepting the chastisement from HIM. How sure can we be that we wont be a murderer if we follow a za'eef hadith???...( za'eef because its not explicitly backed up by Qur'an). Taking someone's life is an extremely serious issue, and when we believe that Qur'an is a complete book, don't you think its imperative to have such rulings mentioned within it. I understand the need for an Imam to carry out such rulings, cause they know it waayyyyy better than we can even imagine, but fatwa's are being issued now by regular people. More importantly, imams shouldn't even be mentioned in our topic here, because Qur'an was written and revealed for us, we are the ones in need of guidance, the imams were already guided. even though the rules of Allah applies to all, but logically Qur'an main target was/is us regular people. And if Qur'an wants us to carry out such things, it would've been EXPLICITLY mentioned to kill them.......then comes the inhumane acts of trampling, burning etc. etc.
  16. For the First time i've seen the violent face of Islam (if it's all true)...trampling, setting ablaze, stoning to death etc being justified. EVEN IF SOMEONE ADMITS HIS/HER APOSTASY, IS ISLAM THAT VULNERABLE AND WEAK THAT "INDIVIDUALS" CLAIMING APOSTASY COULD BE A POTENTIAL THREAT TO A TRUE RELIGION OF BILLION AND CHANGE????? Just can't make sense of it all.
  17. We believe Imams do not change any laws of Islam, Killing of apostast is a big no-no in Qur'an, then what makes you think that our Imams would order such things against the command of Allah? these ahadiths are clearly false allegations as they're contradictory to our belief. Even from the eyes of Humanity, you can't kill someone just because they don't follow the same ideas as you do. And Islam is a religion of humanity. We can twist in any way we want, but if its against Qur'an, I do not accept it.
  18. Ever tried WikiIslam.net??? you will forget about these small fishes.
  19. The prophet (pbuh) loved bibi Khadija more than all his other wives put together. Allah will not be a witness to falsehood.
  20. Good point, as far as history goes, here it is: According to Islamic belief, the prophet Jacob was the first to build the Mosque as a House of God, and it was later expanded and renovated by the prophet Solomon. The Kaaba in Mecca was the first House of Worship to God, and the Masjid Al-Aqsa (Bayt Al-Maqdis) was the second. The current al-Aqsa Mosque was originally a small prayer house built by the Rashidun caliph Umar, but was rebuilt and expanded by the Ummayad caliph Abd al-Malik and finished by his son al-Walid in 705 CE. After an earthquake in 746, the mosque was completely destroyed and rebuilt by the Abbasid caliph al-Mansur in 754, and again rebuilt by his successor al-Mahdi in 780. Another earthquake destroyed most of al-Aqsa in 1033, but two years later the Fatimid caliph Ali az-Zahir built another mosque which has stood to the present-day. During the periodic renovations undertaken, the various ruling dynasties of the Islamic Caliphate constructed additions to the mosque and its precincts, such as its dome, facade, its minbar, minarets and the interior structure. When the Crusaders captured Jerusalem in 1099, they used the mosque as a palace and church, but its function as a mosque was restored after its recapture by Saladin. More renovations, repairs and additions were undertaken in the later centuries by the Ayyubids, Mamluks, Ottomans, the Supreme Muslim Council, and Jordan.
  21. Thought the 12 disciples were: Peter, Andrew, James the Greater, James the Lesser, John, Philip, Bartholomew, Matthew, Thomas, Thaddeus, Simon, and Judas Iscariot. And none of mathew, mark, luke or John is among them. Ummm..... my apologies but where is the logic in comparing "names/qualities" to different explicit forms of existence? thanks
  22. [#10226] You are not allowed to use the private messaging system.

    Not sure how that works.

  23. salaam,

    I like your responses. Not my business if you're sunni or shi'a, but ur logic is sound and mature.

  24. I concur with Jay on post #7. The Gospel of Jesus which was accepted and practiced by the UNITARIANS. However, as the concept of trinity started to come about, a lot of changes started happening in the Bible, all just to enforce that concept.
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