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  1. On 5th Asrar Rashid will know the facts. Let him spend sleepless night.
  2. Hani is doing Honey-moon with his imagination. His imagination refuted by Abu bakr. Narrated Aslam who said: "Uthman wrote the document which contains the will for the caliphate, but Aboo Bakr requested Uthman to leave a space and not to fill the space with the name of any one, and afterwards he became unconcious, but Uthman took the document and filled the space with Umar's name, and then Aboo Bakr woke up and enquired, 'Show me the document!' When he read the document he saw that there was Umar's name and he said, 'Who did this?' Uthman replied saying, 'It is I.' Aboo Bakr said, 'May Allah (swt) have mercy on you and reward you good, but if you had kept your name therein, you could be worthy of it.'" Footnote: Ibn Kathir said 'This report is correct in its chain.' Source: Kanz Al-Ummal. Vol. 5, Pg. # 281. So Why Abu Bakr said "....but if you had kept your name therein, you could be worthy of it." ..i.e if there ware a shura then why this appointment ? and Why Abu Bakr said even if uthman would write his own name ..he would be worthy of it ..So Abu Bakr had no problem if Uthman would next Khalifa .
  3. Thats your Problem. Yah Agree their evolution in wrong direction.
  4. Yah I agree He/She said it months back. I said these type of talk 10 years back ..I was sunni . And there are 100s of Sunni I know also said that what I said " I was Jahil, But Alhamdulillah I got light of truth I am now shia" when Haqq ( Imam Ali a.s) comes darkness vanishes .
  5. KFC unable to answer now they are mum..lol the last post from a Salafi is " Anyway this topic is to much so I think its best to talk about important matters." The sword of Non sense/insane. And they even feared to read and refute becoz more ugly can come out.
  6. The part of the Hadeeth quoted by brother Rasul gives total picture of 'relation' between the Abu Bakr umar and Imam Ali a.s, Imam Ali a.s deemed them as so and so and so , and it was said by Umar, Now whatever umar thinks about himself that is not our business , He use to think he is a prophet!!!
  7. A Bakri False site making usual propaganda that Hadeeth of 'Saheeh Al Bukhari about the angry of Fatima s.a to Abu Bakr is a insertion of Sub Narrator not of Aisha. To Support his fantasy he quoted few Hadeeth from Jami Al Bukhari. When one of our brother replied -they did not publish that rather preferred to hide below the table. The refutation is here on my site. http://www.true-sunna.info/index.php?p=1_4_Refutation
  8. Approach 1: Logical and Qur’anic. All the ummah believe Prophets a.s are infallible except few fanatic captious people. In general we believe prophets are infallible because if we believe they are not infallible then whole religion will collapse. How? Let us assume Prophets a.s are not infallible, then there will rise question that they ( Prophets a.s) gave wrong message because they are not infallible and they do err. If you say Qur’an said they a.s conveyed the message well without any mistake and no wrong can enter in the Qur’an , Then the answer will be Prophet a.s made mistake in that very ayat which saying batil cannot enter in the Qur’an and other similar types of ayat. If anyone says that Prophet s.a.w.a do not make mistake in Qur’anic and religious matters but can err in other matters. I will response that then we have to differentiate between religious matters and non religious matters, then there will be different opinion about a matter, some will say it is religious other will say this is non-religious. Secondly I will say it is non-religious but Prophet s.a.w.a wrongly thought it is religious. Ultimately there will be chaos, and whole religion will like wrong message of prophets a.s. But Alhamdulillah most of the ummah believe Prophets s.a are masum. Let us first understand what is infallibility or masum. Dictionary defines infallibility as : Merriam Webster dictionary: Infallible: incapable of errors, not liable to mislead, deceive, or disappoint, incapable of error in defining doctrines touching faith or morals. In our daily life we random use masum word, such as this child is masum, the terrorist killed masum people etc. Inlight of above understanding I shall quote here few qur’anic verses which show that Prophets are infallibles. We know its satan who incite to our nafs to make us wrong. But Qur’an says: وَمَا أُبَرِّئُ نَفْسِي إِنَّ النَّفْسَ لَأَمَّارَةٌ بِالسُّوءِ إِلَّا مَا رَحِمَ رَبِّي إِنَّ رَبِّي غَفُورٌ رَحِيمٌ "Nor do I absolve my own self (of blame): the (human) soul is certainly prone to evil, unless my Lord do bestow His Mercy: but surely my Lord is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful." ( 12:53) So human are prone to evil except on those whom Allah s.w.t bestowed mercy. قَالَ رَبِّ بِمَا أَغْوَيْتَنِي لَأُزَيِّنَنَّ لَهُمْ فِي الْأَرْضِ وَلَأُغْوِيَنَّهُمْ أَجْمَعِينَ (39) إِلَّا عِبَادَكَ مِنْهُمُ الْمُخْلَصِينَ (40) قَالَ هَذَا صِرَاطٌ عَلَيَّ مُسْتَقِيمٌ (41) إِنَّ عِبَادِي لَيْسَ لَكَ عَلَيْهِمْ سُلْطَانٌ إِلَّا مَنِ اتَّبَعَكَ مِنَ الْغَاوِينَ (42) وَإِنَّ جَهَنَّمَ لَمَوْعِدُهُمْ أَجْمَعِينَ (43) (Iblis) said: "O my Lord! because Thou hast put me in the wrong, I will make (wrong) fair-seeming to them on the earth, and I will put them all in the wrong. Except Thy servants from among them, the devoted ones ( Mukhleseen). He said: This is a right way with Me. Surely. as regards My servants, you have no authority ,over them except those who follow you of the deviators. And surely Hell is the promised place of them all. (15:39-43). إِنَّ عِبَادِي لَيْسَ لَكَ عَلَيْهِمْ سُلْطَانٌ وَكَفَى بِرَبِّكَ وَكِيلًا Surely (as for) My servants, you have no authority over them; and your Lord is sufficient as a Protector.( 17:65) قَالَ فَبِعِزَّتِكَ لَأُغْوِيَنَّهُمْ أَجْمَعِينَ (82) إِلَّا عِبَادَكَ مِنْهُمُ الْمُخْلَصِينَ (83) (Iblis) said: "Then, by Thy power, I will put them all in the wrong. "Except Thy Servants amongst them, sincere and purified (by Thy Grace).(mukhleseen)"(38:82-83) It can be easily understood from above holy verses that satan has no power over mukhlesh servents of Allah s.w.t. Even satan is accepting his inability to make wrong to mukhles people. Now is there any one better mukhlesh and purified than Prophets s.a? obviously no one. When satan has no ability over Prophet s.a.w.a then how we say prophet s.a.w.a may do wrong! Prophet s.a.w.a not make error: مَا ضَلَّ صَاحِبُكُمْ وَمَا غَوَىٰ Your companion does not err, nor does he go astray (53:2) وَمَا يَنْطِقُ عَنِ الْهَوَىٰ Nor does he speak out of desire.(53:3) إِنْ هُوَ إِلَّا وَحْيٌ يُوحَىٰ It is naught save an inspiration that is inspired,(53:4) So from above verses its all clear Prophet s.a.w.a neither make error nor does he says anything out of his mind. Rater all from a type of inspiration from Allah s.w.t. وَمَا آتَاكُمُ الرَّسُولُ فَخُذُوهُ وَمَا نَهَاكُمْ عَنْهُ فَانْتَهُوا and whatever the Messenger gives you, accept it, and from whatever he forbids you, keep back…(57:7). One needs to understand that whatever Prophet s.a.w.a gives we need to take it, so if prophet s.a.w.a gives any wrong example then also we have to take/follow that, therefore taking/following wrong will lead us to wrong path-which is impossible, that Prophet s.a.w.a will lead us to any wrong. Because as above Allah s.w.t already said he do not speak from his desire rather all that are revelation. We know from the Qur’an al karim that Obeying to prophet s.a.w.a is inconditional: وَمَا أَرْسَلْنَا مِنْ رَسُولٍ إِلَّا لِيُطَاعَ بِإِذْنِ اللَّهِ And We did not send any messenger but that he should be obeyed by Allah's permission (4:64) يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا أَطِيعُوا اللَّهَ وَأَطِيعُوا الرَّسُولَ وَلَا تُبْطِلُوا أَعْمَالَكُمْ O you who believe! obey Allah and obey the Messenger, and do not make your deeds of no effect.(47:33) There are many similar verses which clearly shows obey to prophet s.a.w.a unconditional. So if Prophet s.a.w.a makes any wrong it should also be obeyed! It should become a sunnah of Prophet s.a.w.a and we should obey that also. and by obeying wrong we will go to astray. The only conclusion is that when Allah s.w.t said to obey prophet s.a.w.a ,the characteristic of Prophet s.a.w.a must be like that is do not do any error , because Allah s.w.t will never order us to follow wrong. In other word unless prophet s.a.w.a is masum Allah s.w.t will not order us to follow His Prophet s.a.w.a. Because obeying Prophet s.a.w.a is obeying Allah s.w.t. مَنْ يُطِعِ الرَّسُولَ فَقَدْ أَطَاعَ اللَّهَ وَمَنْ تَوَلَّى فَمَا أَرْسَلْنَاكَ عَلَيْهِمْ حَفِيظًا He who obeys the messenger, obeys Allah: But if any turn away, We have not sent thee to watch over their (evil deeds).(4:80) And we cannot obey any sinner: فَاصْبِرْ لِحُكْمِ رَبِّكَ وَلَا تُطِعْ مِنْهُمْ آثِمًا أَوْ كَفُورًا Therefore wait patiently for the command of your Lord, and obey not from among them a sinner or an ungrateful one.(76:24) Here Allah s.w.t saying to his Prophet s.a.w.a not to obey any sinner. So how can we obey any sinner? In other word a obeyed person ( whom Allah s.a.w.t said/endorsed to obey ) must be sinless. يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا أَطِيعُوا اللَّهَ وَأَطِيعُوا الرَّسُولَ وَأُولِي الْأَمْرِ مِنْكُمْ فَإِنْ تَنَازَعْتُمْ فِي شَيْءٍ فَرُدُّوهُ إِلَى اللَّهِ وَالرَّسُولِ إِنْ كُنْتُمْ تُؤْمِنُونَ بِاللَّهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الْآخِرِ ذَلِكَ خَيْرٌ وَأَحْسَنُ تَأْوِيلًا O you who believe! obey Allah and obey the Messenger and ulil amr ( Master of affairs) from among you; then if you quarrel about anything, refer it to Allah and the Messenger, if you believe in Allah and the last day; this is better and very good in the end.(4:59) Here Allah s.w.t commanding us to obey Allah and to obey Prophet s.a.w.a and oliul amr. Let us understand the verse first. In this verse Allah s.w.t commanding the believers , so its wajib since when Allah s.w.t command anything it becomes wajib for belivers. 2nd Point: Here Allah s.w.t used obey word two times for ordering to obey three category 1. Allah s.w.t himself, 2 Prophet s.a.w.a 3. Oliul amr. For Allah s.w.t the word obey used separately and for Prophet s.a.w.a and oliul amr separately, its indicates that obeying oliul amr is in a status of Prophet s.a.w.a. ( Side Note: This ayat is very clear about who are the oliul amr, as we see from the text of the ayat Allah s.w.t ordering us to obey Him, Prophet s.a.w.a and Olil amr, as we can’t select/elect who will be our Allah whom we shall worship, Rather if we select/elect our Allah by our choice we will become Mushrik, We do not have any authority to select/elect Allah, likewise we do not have any authority to select/elect any prophet rather its Allah s.w.t who himself select Prophets and similarly we can’t select who will be the ulil amr, as the 2nd obey word in this ayat connected to the obeying of Prophet s.a.w.a. Some may say here Allah s.w.t said “…From among you” for oilul amr so we can select/elect who will be the olil amr. The answer is ‘ankum’ or “from you” does not give meaning of selecting/electing oliul amr. He should know that the word “obey” for olilul amr is same way connected Prophet. Moreover the “from you/them” etc words also used for Prophet s.a.w.a.) Its also impossible for Allah s.w.t that he will give order to us to obey something which is not exists, Allah gives order to obey him becoz He exists and Allah gave order to obey prophet s.a.w.a because Prophet s.a.w.a exists, And it not possible that oliul amr do not exists and Allah s.w.t will order us to obey the. As stated before Allah s.w.t will not order us to obey someone who will do wrong, then it will be like that Allah s.w.t is ordering us to follow wrong. Obeying prophet s.a.w.a is actually obeying Allah s.w.t there no alternative way. “ He who obeys the messenger, obeys Allah……..(4:80) “ Say: If You love Allah, then follow me…..(3:31) So there is no alternative way to express love towards Allah s.w.t, except to follow Prophet s.a.w.a. Expression of love will be accepted by following Prophet s.a.w.a. Now we shall look into the Ahdeeth of prophet s.a.w.a: أخبرنا أبو أحمد محمد بن محمد الشيباني من أصل كتابه ثنا علي بن سعيد بن بشير الرازي بمصر ثنا الحسن بن حماد الحضرمي ثنا يحيى بن يعلي ثنا بسام الصيرفي عن الحسن بن عمرو الفقيمي عن معاوية بن ثعلبة عن أبي ذر رضي الله عنه قال : قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه و سلم : من أطاعني فقد أطاع الله و من عصاني فقد عصي الله و من أطاع عليا فقد أطاعني و من عصي عليا فقد عصاني هذا حديث صحيح الإسناد و لم يخرجاه تعليق الذهبي قي التلخيص : صحيح Prophet s.a.w.a said : One who obey me obeys Allah, and one who adhere me adheres Allah, And one who obey Ali he obeys me, And who adhere Ali adhere me. (Mustadrak ‘ala Sahihain: Imam Hakim said this Hadeeth is Sahih, Imam Dhahabi also authenticated it) أخبرنا أبو بكر محمد بن عبد الله الحفيد ثنا أحمد بن محمد بن نصر ثنا عمرو بن طلحة القناد الثقة المأمون ثنا علي بن هاشم بن البريد عن أبيه قال حدثني أبو سعيد التيمي عن أبي ثابت مولى أبي ذر قال : كنت مع علي رضي الله عنه يوم الجمل فلما رأيت عائشة واقفة دخلني بعض ما يدخل الناس فكشف الله عني ذلك عند صلاة الظهر فقاتلت مع أمير المؤمنين فلما فرغ ذهبت إلى المدينة فأتيت أم سلمة فقلت إني و الله ما جئت أسأل طعاما و لا شرابا و لكني مولى لأبي ذر فقالت مرحبا فقصصت عليها قصتي فقالت : أين كنت حين طارت القلوب مطائرها قلت : إلى حيث كشف الله ذلك عني عند زوال الشمس قال : أحسنت سمعت رسول الله صلى الله عليه و سلم يقول : علي مع القرآن و القرآن مع علي لن يتفرقا حتى يردا علي الحوض هذا حديث صحيح الإسناد و أبو سعيد التيمي هو عقيصاء ثقة مأمون و لم يخرجاه تعليق الذهبي قي التلخيص : صحيح Its long hadeeth I am quoting relevant parts : prophet s.a.w.a said Ali is with Qur’an and Qur’an is with Ali, they will never separate even they reach to fountain ( of kawsar). We believe that no wrong/error can enter into the Qur’an the same way no wrong and error can enter to Ali. Because Prophet Muhammad s.a.w.a compared rather made saturated Ali with qur’an and they( Quran and Ali) will not separate from each other. As we know Prophet s.a.w.a said : حدثنا علي بن المنذر الكوفي حدثنا محمد بن فضيل حدثنا الأعمش عن عطية عن أبي سعيد والأعمش عن حبيب بن أبي ثابت عن زيد بن أرقم رضي الله عنهما قالا قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم إني تارك فيكم ما إن تمسكتم به لن تضلوا بعدي أحدهما أعظم من الآخر كتاب الله حبل ممدود من السماء إلى الأرض وعترتي أهل بيتي ولن يتفرقا حتى يردا علي الحوض فانظروا كيف تخلفوني فيهما ( سنن الترمذي ) تحقيق الألباني :صحيح ، المشكاة ( 6144 ) ، الروض النضير ( 977 - 978 ) ، الصحيحة ( 4 / 356 - 357 ) This hadeeth has been stated by numerous books and with mutawatir sanad. I am just Quoting from Sunan at-Tirmizi if anyone want other references then may see my another article. Prophet s.a.w.a said “ I am leavening among you if you adhere them you will never go astray after me, one is greater than other , kitab Allah which is rope between heaven and earth and my progeny my Ahlul bait, they will never separate even they reach at house ( kawsar), So Prophet s.a.w.a with hadeeth e saqalin ( Two heavy things) made it clear that Qur’an and Ahlul bait are guarantee for us not to go wrong. Prophet s.a.w.a made Qur’an and his progeny his ahlul bait un-separable entity. So by no way like Qur’an the falsehood/error/wrong can enter to his Holy progeny his ahlul bait.This is clear proof that the Ahlul bait are free from any defect and no falsehood no wrong and error can commissioned by His holy progeny his holy Ahlul bait. More over the ayat e Tathir shows absolute cleanliness of Ahlul Bait a.s. إِنَّمَا يُرِيدُ اللَّهُ لِيُذْهِبَ عَنْكُمُ الرِّجْسَ أَهْلَ الْبَيْتِ وَيُطَهِّرَكُمْ تَطْهِيرًا This is Allah’s wish to clean them a through clean from any type of rijs . (Side note:Allah s.w.t said about Qur’an لَا يَمَسُّهُ إِلَّا الْمُطَهَّرُونَ (56:79) - None can grasp it except purified one. This Arabic texts give us exact meaning No one is able to grasp it(qur’an) except those who has been purified by US ( Mutaharun).) I will finish this article by citing a hadeeth from Durrul Manthur of Allama Suyuti, under the verse 33:33 ( Ayat e Tathir) he quoted: وأخرج الحكيم والترمذي والطبراني وابن مردويه وأبو نعيم والبيهقي معاً في الدلائل عن ابن عباس رضي الله عنهما قال : قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم إن الله قسم الخلق قسمين ، فجعلني في خيرهما قسماً . فذلك قوله { وأصحاب اليمين } …..……..فذلك قوله { إنما يريد الله ليذهب عنكم الرجس أهل البيت ويطهركم تطهيراً } فأنا وأهل بيتي مطهرون من الذنوب It is little bit long hadeeth I am translating relevant parts only: Quoted by Hakim, Tirmizi, Tabrani , Ibn Marduai, Abu Naim and Baihaqi in his dalail from Ibn Abbas that prophet s.a.w.a said : “……..like that HIS saying ‘Verily Allah wishes to remove all abomination from you, O Ahlul bait, and to make you pure and spotless’. I and my ahlul bait are purified from the sin" ( Exact text is dinalail e Nabua By Baihaqi ) اللهم صل على محمد وال محمد
  9. 'Sahih Al Bukhari-Kitab Al' Tafseer Bab- وَمَا خَلَقَ الذَّكَرَ وَالْأُنثَى " The Hadeeth saying some words added in the Quran "Narrated Ibrahim: The companions of 'Abdullah (bin Mas'ud) came to Abu Darda', (and before they arrived at his home), he looked for them and found them. Then he asked them: 'Who among you can recite (Qur'an) as 'Abdullah recites it?" They replied, "All of us." He asked, "Who among you knows it by heart?" They pointed at 'Alqama. Then he asked Alqama. "How did you hear 'Abdullah bin Mas'ud reciting Surat Al-Lail (The Night)?" Alqama recited: 'By the male and the female.<<والذكر والأنثى>>' Abu Ad-Darda said, "I testify that I heard the Prophet reciting it likewise, but these people want me to recite it:-- 'And by Him Who created male and female.<<وَمَا خَلَقَ الذَّكَرَ وَالْأُنثَى>>' but by Allah, I will not follow them." Note: The Present Quran consist the Ayat like this "وَمَا خَلَقَ الذَّكَرَ وَالْأُنثَى" But Sahabi of Ibn Masud And Abu Darda reading it as والذكر والأنثى and taking vow that he will not read the ayat with extra words. Tafseer Durrul Mansur By Allama Jalaluddin Suyuti on tafseer of 101 An Nisa "Ibn Jarir and ibn al-Munder recorded that Ubai used to recite the verse '{if you shorten the prayer, kafirs will cause you distress} without reciting '{if you fear إن خفتم}'while in Uthman's Mushaf its '{if you fear that those who disbelieve will cause you distress}" ... So in the Copies of Quran of Ubai bin k'ab The words <<إن خفتم>> was not present. 'Muhaddith Mufassir Jalaluddin Suyuti in his Itqan Vol 1 Page 146,' " Total ayat in Quran is 6616" 'Tafseer Ibn Kaseer Vol 1 Page 147' Ibn Kasir said " Total ayat in the Qur'an are 6000 . There is disagreement on if there are more . There are various views and statements about them. One statement is that there are 6204 verses" 'Tafseer Al Kabir By Fakre Razi : Vol 1 Page 222' “In few of the old books it is written that Ibn Masud would reject Surah Fatihah as Part of the Qur'an and Mauzatain as being a part of the Quran” Note: Dear brothers Please do not Post anything until I finish my all posting
  10. Accodring to Sunni reasoning if someone does intercourse with a woman in her period satan is joining that intercourse and the person is having eunuch kids !! we read in Authentic Sunna books umar did sex with his salave girl in her menstrual period !! was Satan and Umar doing gang sex !!! عن ابن عباس قال : المخنثون أولاد الجن ، قيل لابن عباس كيف ذلك ؟ قال إن الله عز وجل ورسوله - صلى الله عليه وسلم - نهيا أن يأتي الرجل امرأته وهي حائض فإذا أتاها سبقه إليها الشيطان فحملت فجاءت بالمخنث 93-1 On the Authority of Ibn Abbas he said that the eunuchs are the progeny of Jinis Ibn Abbas was asked how is this ? he said Allah and his messenger have forbidden to approach woman in her period , when a person does this Satan takes headway to her so she get pregnant of A Eunuch !!! وقال الحارث : ، حدثنا : الحكم بن موسى ، ثنا : عيسى بن يونس ، فذكره ، لكن لفظه : أن عمر (ر) أتى جارية له ، فقالت : إني حائض ، فوقع بها فوجدها حائضاً ]إبن حجر - المطالب العالية - كتاب الحيض 226 Ibn Hajar Almatalib Al’aliyah Book of menstrual period hadith Number 226 … That Umar approached his slave girl but she said I am in menstrual period then umar did sexual intercourse with her. وقال إسحاق : ، أخبرنا : بقية بن الوليد ، ثنا : الأوزاعي ، حدثني : يزيد بن أبي مالك ، عن إبن زيد بن الخطاب ، عن عمر بن الخطاب (ر) ، أنه كانت له إمرأة تكره الرجال ، فكان كلما أرادها إعتلت بالحيضة ، فظن أنها كاذبة فأتاها فوجدها صادقة Same narrations المتقي الهندي - كنز العمال - الجزء : ( 16 ) - رقم الصفحة : ( 565 ) So umar was in gange with satan to Produce eunuch?
  11. This is undeniable fact that Umar attacked the House of Fatima s.a. Sunni try to play hide and seek with this incident becoz their hatred towards Fatmah s.a and love towards Abu Bakr. They do also have a siqah play. It is like this they feel bad with good people if they tell truth. Everything is alright but "my heart does not accept" etc etc...
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