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    iere got a reaction from Christianlady in Why Most Christian Ladies Do Not Wear Hijab   
    The Scripture requires modesty and does not specifically require head covering at all times. 
     
    1 Timothy 2:9
    9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
     
    1 Peter 3:3-4(KJV)
    3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;
    4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.
    5 For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:
     
    It has, however, been a tradition among branches of Christianity in the past and some women still do. It actually remains an issue of discussion and a practice often determined by region.
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    iere got a reaction from Christianlady in My unfavorable opinion of Christians   
    That is why it is important to focus on God. People will often disappoint but God never disappoints and will lead us in the right direction. 
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    iere reacted to A175 in Do Christians Follow any Authority or Commandments?   
    Well, this is ShiaChat... you won't find much if any support or justification for anything Saudi Arabia does.
    As for Iran, the most publicized case involved the hanging of two young men. The world wide web of outrage said it was because they were gay... yet neglected that they had gang-raped a young boy at knifepoint.
    Here's the thing, andres-
    You bring up things that don't exist, and when called out on it you swerve ever so slightly in a different direction. You spoke of hanging and stoning in the Qur'an. Instead of trying to prove it, you brought up TWO Muslim-majority countries out of about FIFTY. They all have their own interpretations of what "Shariah" is, and most of it is based on culture and tradition rather than religion.
    Besides, if you want to talk about social issues mixed with the legal system, any notion of "equality" is a relatively modern phenomenon in the world, let alone in Christian-majority countries. Remember back when the Western world was scared of the evil godless commie Russians, Americans were still lynching blacks and homosexuals.
    That's what's so ironic about the world. Conduct atrocities for centuries and then one day decide it's bad... then the very next day pointing fingers at the rest of humanity.
     
    Looks like this is another thread I'm going to quit following. Between the cherry-picking, sidelining, and outright dishonesty, I'd just rather go without this conversation. Try having some integrity every once in a while, it goes a long way.
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    iere reacted to placid in Myth-Busting Nicea   
    Hi Left Coast Mom,
     
    Congratulations, --- You are a Right on Mom, in your research.
    You gave a good picture of that part of history. --- No one knows it exactly and a person could read for a week to follow all of 'the rabbit trails.'
     
    And you did it from Protestant commentators --- so it is very good reading with your sense of humor thown in.
     
    There is one misunderstanding I would like to clear up about the word 'Protestant.' --- It has seemed to become a negative word in, "Catholics and Protestants." --- It sounds like the Protestants are 'protesting' against the Catholics. --- But 'pro' is what you are for, not what you are against, is that not right?
    --- In a lawcourt if you object to something, you 'con-test' it, becuse 'con-test,' with the emphasis on the end 'test' is what you are objecting to.
    Also a 'con-test,' --- with the emphasis on the first 'con' --- is a friendly competition of one against others, --- but it is still 'con,' --- against, is it not?
     
    'Pro' means, what you are for. --- like a 'pro' test(imony), is what you are 'professing'.
    So the word 'protest' had gotten a bad rap since then at least. --- Do you hear of 'protests' against programs and people? --- Every day don't we?
    People are always 'pro'testing what they are against, which is using the word as a 'negative.'
     
    --- Rather, they should have their 'demonstrations,' or 'rallys' against something, --- and then come up with a proper replacement for what is wrong. --- Then they could call it 'pro'gress, or 'pro'test, meaning 'what they were for, leading to a 'positive' conclusion.
    --- When Martin Luther nailed his 95 Thesis on the door of the Wittenburg Chapel, he was wanting to draw attention to the Church leaders, --- that things they were doing were unsciptural, and his desire was to 'reform' the Church from the inside.
     
    Instead, they rejected him, and the end result was that the many who followed him, even in other countries, agreed to start Local Churches again.
    This is when the various denominations started like the Lutheran Church in Germany, and the Anglican Church in England, and some took names from the Scripture, like Presbyterians, and so on.
    --- It was all called, "The Protestant Reformation." --- This was a proper name because they were 'reforming' the local Churches outside of the 'mother Church' --- and they were "Pro Scripture" in their teaching. --- And their testimony, or statement of Faith was 'what they stood for,' --- what they were 'pro'active about, and what goal they were 'pro'gressing toward.
     
    However, there have been many "Reforms" within the Catholic Church since then, and they are still going on, even under Pope St Francis, are they not?
     
    Thanks LCM for putting this in print so that others may get an idea of what happened.
    --- We are now in the 21st Century, and our goal is to 'Know the Lord,' and be prepared individually for His promise of "Eternity to Believers," from whatever corner of the world they come. --- There is now the greatest technology and methodology to 'Evangelize the world,' that there has ever been, so that everyone can know there is a God in heaven, but the time may be short before His first intervention to save some out of this dying world.
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    iere got a reaction from Son of Placid in The Queen James Bible   
    Most have probably never heard of it. I certainly had not until now, and it has no bearing on my life. God will deal with them.
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    iere reacted to A175 in Do Christians Follow any Authority or Commandments?   
    I don't think you're comprehending what I'm asking.
    You've added in either your own interpretation or that of someone else, regarding what the meaning of "all the laws hang from love".
    I'm not disagreeing with the presumption that loving your God and loving your neighbor lead to one naturally fulfilling the law... I'm disagreeing with what seems to be the idea that fulfillment=some type of abbrogation.
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    iere reacted to A175 in Do Christians Follow any Authority or Commandments?   
    Verse 40 that you quoted...
    That part about fulfilling the law...
    In scripture or a footnote? (Kind of like the clean/unclean meats and "begotten")
    And if it is scripture, are you equating fulfilled with abrogated? It seems that in verse 40 he is saying every other commandment and Prophet rests upon the acknowledgement and application of these two... meaning without them you will fail in everything else.
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    iere got a reaction from Christianlady in Donald J. Trump [OFFICIAL THREAD]   
    My mind went immediately to these verses:
    Matthew 7:21-23
    21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
    22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
    23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
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    iere got a reaction from Khudayar in The Tithe And The Khums   
    My beliefs differ due to the branch of Christianity that I belong.  
    Tithing is obligatory in out belief. 
     Regarding the Old Testament, we believe as the Scriptures state: 
    2 Timothy 3:16-17
    All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God[a] may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
    So we believe in Old and New Testament. We believe in the whole Ten Commandments, including keeping the 7th day Sabbath. We believe in the dietary laws - no pork, no shellfish, no alcohol etc.
    The ceremonial laws or ordinances (law of Moses), however, which entailed animal sacrifice, feasts etc, we believe were foward looking to Christ's arrival and sacrifice on the cross and that being the only aspects obviously nonbinding on the Christian today for obvious reasons. However, they are to be studied to further understand the depth of salvation.
     
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    iere got a reaction from Khudayar in The Tithe And The Khums   
    Tithe in the Holy Scriptures is 10 percent of a person's increase. 
     
    Here is the brief explanation of stewardship in the Adventist Christian fundamental beliefs:
     
    Stewardship Z21 -  We are God’s stewards, entrusted by Him with time and opportunities, abilities and possessions, and the blessings of the earth and its resources. We are responsible to Him for their proper use. We acknowledge God’s ownership by faithful service to Him and our fellow men, and by returning tithes and giving offerings for the proclamation of His gospel and the support and growth of His church. Stewardship is a privilege given to us by God for nurture in love and the victory over selfishness and covetousness. The steward rejoices in the blessings that come to others as a result of his faithfulness. (Gen. 1:26-28; 2:15; 1 Chron. 29:14; Haggai 1:3-11; Mal. 3:8-12; 1 Cor. 9:9-14; Matt. 23:23; 2 Cor. 8:1-15; Rom. 15:26, 27.)
     
    The specific uses for tithe: http://www.adventist.org/en/information/official-statements/guidelines/article/go/0/use-of-tithe/
     
     
     
    This is not true. Perhaps it is true for those around you but not for all others.
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    iere reacted to Christianlady in Donald J. Trump [OFFICIAL THREAD]   
    Salam/Shalom/Peace Everyone,
    I'm so frustrated that I came to Shiachat to vent lol.
    For the life of me, I don't understand why some Christians support Trump. Sure Trump identifies as a Christian, but he does not obey Jesus Christ's commands to love neighbors as oneself (Matthew 22:35-40; Luke 10:25-37) and love enemies (Matthew 5:43-48; Luke 6:27-37).
    People can call themselves vegetarians all they want, but if they eat beef, they are not vegetarians! In the same way, people can identify as Christians all they want, but if they disobey Jesus Christ's commands to love neighbors and enemies, are they really Christian??? Sigh Definitely there are Christians who are disobedient to Jesus. (Love by the way doesn't mean to not disagree with people. It means to care for, bless them, pray for them, and do good to them no matter what.) 
    In my free time, I've been busy discussing politics with fellow Americans and I have to admit, I got too cheeky with one Trump supporter. I asked him if he was going to follow Trump's example and talk about me like how Trump talked about Megyn Kelly.
    That reminds me of this Youtube: "If Guys Said What Donald Trump Says"
    Anyways, one thing the Christian support of Donald Trump has shown is that Christians in the USA need a serious revival. Sadly, sexual immorality is rampant in Christian churches and some Christian Americans follow the idols of $ and fame more than following the Lord (Master) Jesus Christ.  
    The following are some good articles concerning why Christians should not support Donald Trump's bid for presidency:
    http://www.charismanews.com/opinion/in-the-line-of-fire/53495-why-evangelical-christians-should-not-support-donald-trump
    http://www.astateherald.com/opinion/should-christians-vote-trump/article_6824f536-cc39-11e5-b051-afca639a4c37.html
    http://www.tapwires.com/2016/02/21/so-youre-a-christian-and-voting-for-trump
    While sadly these articles often fall on blind eyes (as opposed to deaf ears), if you have Christian friends who support Trump, please by all means share them, as well as quote Jesus and the Bible to them. If Christians ask what would Jesus do, they would know that Jesus didn't come to build walls; he broke the "wall of hostility" that divided Jews and Gentiles:  (I boldened some.)
     Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called “uncircumcised” by those who call themselves “the circumcision” (which is done in the body by human hands)— remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ.For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace,"
    - Ephesians 2:11-15 (NIV)
    If you have any questions or comments or other articles or Bible verses to share, please feel free to do so. As a Christian American, I apologize for the hatred against Muslims that Trump and his supporters have raised. While everyone here knows I enjoy discussing differences in beliefs and Scripture with Muslims, I want Muslims to immigrate to the USA and I love my Muslim neighbors just as much as I love my Christian and Atheist and Hindu and Jewish Orthodox and ? neighbors. Muslims have just as much right to freedom of religion, speech, assembly and so on as Christians do!!! I would rather die than allow their rights to be taken from them. After all, Jesus Christ made it clear to do to others as you would have them do to you (Luke 6:31).
    Also, it makes me sad that so many Americans do not love our neighbor country, México. While teaching people what loving neighbors means, Jesus used "the Good Samaritan" parable (Luke 10:25-37). Even though Samaria is not a neighbor to the USA, México is. While I can't for the life of me understand why some Latinos are supporting Trump, I do know that Trump's insults to Mexicans have insulted many Latinos (including my husband and the Latinos in my family, though they are Ecuatorianos, not Mexicans). While definitely it's important to forgive, forgiveness does not mean electing a man to be president that makes our southern neighbor country to be our enemy. People from all over the world are neighbors in the USA, and Christians should love all of them, no matter their nationality, ethnicity, skin color, religion, and any other difference!!
    Ok, rant over. I have to go to work now.
    Peace and God bless you
     
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    iere reacted to mahdi servant.01 in The Tithe And The Khums   
    Seventh-day Adventist
    nice branch i had not heard of that. but i looked it up in wiki. I read there that you have so much emphasis on the advent -second coming - of Jesus. If you do not mind we could have a discussion on that as it is very similar to our belief on the coming of savior. 
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    iere reacted to placid in Do Christians Follow any Authority or Commandments?   
    Hi Mahdi servant.01,
     
    Because you invited us to the Discussion Forum, to this topic on “Objection to Christian authority,” --- which I didn’t understand from the topic title. --- I have read it with interest, and I like these opportunities of comparing, or explaining the difference, between what Muslims believe about Christianity, and what the Scriptures teach, and what we believe, --- because that is how we learn.
     
    However, since the responses require Scripture verses, I thought it might be best to open a similar topic on this Forum, so others can participate, if they want to.
     
    You were suggesting that Christians seem to have rules or guidelines in Scripture, but they don't seem to follow them.
     
    Let’s begin with your opening Post where you quoted from 1 Peter:
    “Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as elaborate hairstyles and the wearing of gold jewelry or fine clothes.”(  3:3)
     
    --- And it concludes the sentence in 3:4 so the sentence reads this way:
    3  Do not let your adornment be merely outward—arranging the hair, wearing gold, or putting on fine apparel—
    4 rather let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God
     
    --- If you look at it you will see that it doesn’t say anything negative about the outward appearance of ‘arranging the hair, wearing gold, or putting on fine apparel’ --- but the emphasis is on the inner beauty of the heart.
     
    It’s the same if we look at the other verses Paul wrote, in 1 Timothy 2:
    9 In like manner also, that the women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with propriety and moderation, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly clothing,
    10 but, which is proper for women professing godliness, with good works.
     
    When people are ‘converted’ they live by different attitudes as Paul wrote to Christians, in Romans 12:
    1 I beseech you therefore, believers, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service.
    2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
     
    --- You see what it says, “Be transformed by the renewing of your mind.” --- How do you do that? --- That is what is not understood by those who haven’t surrendered their lives to the Lord and received the ‘spiritual transformation.’
     
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    iere got a reaction from Son of Placid in The Tithe And The Khums   
    My beliefs differ due to the branch of Christianity that I belong.  
    Tithing is obligatory in out belief. 
     Regarding the Old Testament, we believe as the Scriptures state: 
    2 Timothy 3:16-17
    All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God[a] may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
    So we believe in Old and New Testament. We believe in the whole Ten Commandments, including keeping the 7th day Sabbath. We believe in the dietary laws - no pork, no shellfish, no alcohol etc.
    The ceremonial laws or ordinances (law of Moses), however, which entailed animal sacrifice, feasts etc, we believe were foward looking to Christ's arrival and sacrifice on the cross and that being the only aspects obviously nonbinding on the Christian today for obvious reasons. However, they are to be studied to further understand the depth of salvation.
     
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    iere got a reaction from mahdi servant.01 in The Tithe And The Khums   
    My beliefs differ due to the branch of Christianity that I belong.  
    Tithing is obligatory in out belief. 
     Regarding the Old Testament, we believe as the Scriptures state: 
    2 Timothy 3:16-17
    All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God[a] may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
    So we believe in Old and New Testament. We believe in the whole Ten Commandments, including keeping the 7th day Sabbath. We believe in the dietary laws - no pork, no shellfish, no alcohol etc.
    The ceremonial laws or ordinances (law of Moses), however, which entailed animal sacrifice, feasts etc, we believe were foward looking to Christ's arrival and sacrifice on the cross and that being the only aspects obviously nonbinding on the Christian today for obvious reasons. However, they are to be studied to further understand the depth of salvation.
     
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    iere reacted to LeftCoastMom in an objection to Christian authorities   
    We have plenty of " Christian verdicts" on this. As far as it " never" being enforced, in Western society until 100 or so years ago women commonly wore their dresses to their toes. Men did not walk around in shorts, either.
    all Christians, male  or female, are to dress with modesty and many of them do who are actually practicing. The concept of what clothing is " modest" changes, though. Women don't wear their skirts to their toes and men don't wear cravats anymore.

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    iere got a reaction from Klanky in Vegetarianism Kills Many More Animals   
    Nonsense. I believe the God in His wisdom provided enough vegetation in the world for human and animal consumption, without one having to kill the other.
    The article only focuses on Australia. There are many other areas of the world where good land is available.
    That Australians have ruined their land and now cannot use it for others purposes is their own fault.
    Furthermore, grains are not the only sources of protein for vegetarians and there are other essential foods such as fruits and vegetables (that humans and animals eat). Poorly written article.
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    iere reacted to Ali_Hussain in Vank Cathedral Isfahan   


     
     
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    iere got a reaction from StrugglingForTheLight in Do the Christians really believe....?   
    Well, I am here to learn about Islam because I love learning about the many religions of the world.  I am open to sharing my experience as Christian as well.
    I believe God converts willing hearts, so my purpose here has nothing to do with converting others. That is for GOD and GOD alone.
    Not all Christians believe swine or alcohol are fit for consumption. In my branch of the faith, we believe that the consumption of either is a violation of God's law. Part of our profession of faith is to refrain from consuming all unclean foods (pork, shrimp etc), alcohol, tobacco etc.
    All of the questions you ask about our familiarity with Islam and practicing the faith are questions that hopefully can be answered and learned from here on this forum. 
    As a Christian, I love that the Bible gives us a guideline to live - love for God and others, dietary guidelines (food and drink), modesty, prophecy, prayer and the blessed Sabbath - a weekly communion with God where all worldly things are put aside to reverence God.  I believe in it, as you believe in the Quran.
    May God bless you in your walk.
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    iere got a reaction from Abu Nur in Do the Christians really believe....?   
    Well, I am here to learn about Islam because I love learning about the many religions of the world.  I am open to sharing my experience as Christian as well.
    I believe God converts willing hearts, so my purpose here has nothing to do with converting others. That is for GOD and GOD alone.
    Not all Christians believe swine or alcohol are fit for consumption. In my branch of the faith, we believe that the consumption of either is a violation of God's law. Part of our profession of faith is to refrain from consuming all unclean foods (pork, shrimp etc), alcohol, tobacco etc.
    All of the questions you ask about our familiarity with Islam and practicing the faith are questions that hopefully can be answered and learned from here on this forum. 
    As a Christian, I love that the Bible gives us a guideline to live - love for God and others, dietary guidelines (food and drink), modesty, prophecy, prayer and the blessed Sabbath - a weekly communion with God where all worldly things are put aside to reverence God.  I believe in it, as you believe in the Quran.
    May God bless you in your walk.
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    iere got a reaction from Son of Placid in Do the Christians really believe....?   
    Well, I am here to learn about Islam because I love learning about the many religions of the world.  I am open to sharing my experience as Christian as well.
    I believe God converts willing hearts, so my purpose here has nothing to do with converting others. That is for GOD and GOD alone.
    Not all Christians believe swine or alcohol are fit for consumption. In my branch of the faith, we believe that the consumption of either is a violation of God's law. Part of our profession of faith is to refrain from consuming all unclean foods (pork, shrimp etc), alcohol, tobacco etc.
    All of the questions you ask about our familiarity with Islam and practicing the faith are questions that hopefully can be answered and learned from here on this forum. 
    As a Christian, I love that the Bible gives us a guideline to live - love for God and others, dietary guidelines (food and drink), modesty, prophecy, prayer and the blessed Sabbath - a weekly communion with God where all worldly things are put aside to reverence God.  I believe in it, as you believe in the Quran.
    May God bless you in your walk.
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    iere got a reaction from apofomysback in Do the Christians really believe....?   
    Well, I am here to learn about Islam because I love learning about the many religions of the world.  I am open to sharing my experience as Christian as well.
    I believe God converts willing hearts, so my purpose here has nothing to do with converting others. That is for GOD and GOD alone.
    Not all Christians believe swine or alcohol are fit for consumption. In my branch of the faith, we believe that the consumption of either is a violation of God's law. Part of our profession of faith is to refrain from consuming all unclean foods (pork, shrimp etc), alcohol, tobacco etc.
    All of the questions you ask about our familiarity with Islam and practicing the faith are questions that hopefully can be answered and learned from here on this forum. 
    As a Christian, I love that the Bible gives us a guideline to live - love for God and others, dietary guidelines (food and drink), modesty, prophecy, prayer and the blessed Sabbath - a weekly communion with God where all worldly things are put aside to reverence God.  I believe in it, as you believe in the Quran.
    May God bless you in your walk.
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    iere reacted to LeftCoastMom in Do the Christians really believe....?   
    I'd actually like to  know what some of you Muslims consider " true" about what he said. He apparently thinks all Christians are drunken, pork-chop munching white people. Lol.
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    iere got a reaction from LeftCoastMom in Do the Christians really believe....?   
    Well, I am here to learn about Islam because I love learning about the many religions of the world.  I am open to sharing my experience as Christian as well.
    I believe God converts willing hearts, so my purpose here has nothing to do with converting others. That is for GOD and GOD alone.
    Not all Christians believe swine or alcohol are fit for consumption. In my branch of the faith, we believe that the consumption of either is a violation of God's law. Part of our profession of faith is to refrain from consuming all unclean foods (pork, shrimp etc), alcohol, tobacco etc.
    All of the questions you ask about our familiarity with Islam and practicing the faith are questions that hopefully can be answered and learned from here on this forum. 
    As a Christian, I love that the Bible gives us a guideline to live - love for God and others, dietary guidelines (food and drink), modesty, prophecy, prayer and the blessed Sabbath - a weekly communion with God where all worldly things are put aside to reverence God.  I believe in it, as you believe in the Quran.
    May God bless you in your walk.
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    iere got a reaction from Chaotic Muslem in Do the Christians really believe....?   
    Well, I am here to learn about Islam because I love learning about the many religions of the world.  I am open to sharing my experience as Christian as well.
    I believe God converts willing hearts, so my purpose here has nothing to do with converting others. That is for GOD and GOD alone.
    Not all Christians believe swine or alcohol are fit for consumption. In my branch of the faith, we believe that the consumption of either is a violation of God's law. Part of our profession of faith is to refrain from consuming all unclean foods (pork, shrimp etc), alcohol, tobacco etc.
    All of the questions you ask about our familiarity with Islam and practicing the faith are questions that hopefully can be answered and learned from here on this forum. 
    As a Christian, I love that the Bible gives us a guideline to live - love for God and others, dietary guidelines (food and drink), modesty, prophecy, prayer and the blessed Sabbath - a weekly communion with God where all worldly things are put aside to reverence God.  I believe in it, as you believe in the Quran.
    May God bless you in your walk.
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