Jump to content
Guests can now reply in ALL forum topics (No registration required!) ×
Guests can now reply in ALL forum topics (No registration required!)
In the Name of God بسم الله

iere

Advanced Member
  • Content Count

    237
  • Joined

  • Last visited

Everything posted by iere

  1. No, the apostles were not infallible. Romans 3:23 - For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
  2. Agree with the bold. For me, the claims in Islam about corruption in the Bible amounts to the same claim as the law being done away within mainstream Christianity. Neither seems to embrace the original religion that significantly.
  3. The question is "what does it mean to be under grace?" All that it means is that by grace we are saved. It doesn't mean that you don't follow the law. People ignore or gloss over that passage by Paul that says the opposite of what you claiming: "Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law." Romans 3:31 How does one get around that and claim that Paul does away with the law? Paul states very clearly that faith does not void the law. It is as though he knew that people may try to change the message of his writings. Paul explains the interaction between grace, faith, the law and justification. He never does away with any of these and make clear that the law is established. The entire Bible says that faith is essential but nowhere does it say that works do not matter. That is doctrine developed outside of the Scriptures and Paul's teachings about the purpose and function of the law have been distorted by others. I am a Christian that believes in the law and that Jesus and Paul uphold the law. We are saved by grace through faith. Our works are evidence of our faith. Honestly, there is nothing frustrating about it because I have a completely different understanding of what Paul teaches than mainstream Christianity and Islam. There are other Christians that have a different understanding of Paul's teaching. We see nothing in his writings that teach what so many claim.
  4. Paul UPHELD the Law. He believe in and taught that the law is valid. Romans 3:31 - Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. Romans 2:12-15 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;) Mainstream Christianity and others teach a misinterpretation of Paul. All that Paul expounds on in Romans is the PURPOSE of the Law and that the Law does not SAVE. However, Paul always teaches that we are to FOLLOW the law.
  5. The majority of modern Christianity follows a misinterpretation of Paul. Paul teaches the same message as Jesus.
  6. Yes, but nowhere does this permit the discarding of the dietary laws. Again, the discussion in the New Testament regarding what to eat or drink deals with food offered to idols. As clarified in the verses in your previous post: Acts 15:28-29 28 "For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things. 29 that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell." Nowhere does the New Testament do away with dietary laws set forth in the Old Testament. There are discussions regarding food, yes and lessons using food as an example. However, the explanation regarding food in Romans 14 is simply part of the ongoing discussion regarding food/drink offered to idols.
  7. Hello Placid, The Scripture made very clear that "Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." Matthew 5:18 Heaven and earth have not passed away, therefore, God's law stands firm as the standard for those who believe in Scripture. The New Commandment in no way changes the old either. We simply should adhere to it, just as other commandments that God has provided to us. The whole issue here is the understanding of what constitutes the Law of Moses. The law of Moses is the sacrificial/ceremonial law or ordinances. It is different from the Ten Commandments, which were written by the hand of God. It is different from the dietary laws. Gentiles do not have to keep the sacrificial/ceremonial law (law of Moses or ordinances) because Christ, the sacrificial lamb has been slain. The Bible itself makes the distinction. The Ten Commandments were always placed INSIDE the Ark of the covenant as they were written by the hand of God and the presence of God hovered over the Ark. It is his unchanging law. (Heb. 9:4) The Law of Moses was placed BESIDE it, not inside. (Deuteronomy 31:26) Never does the Bible treat the groups of laws as the same because the latter was temporal and former was to last forever. Gentiles DO have to keep the Ten Commandments and the dietary laws, among others. Those stand according to the Scripture. The discussion regarding food throughout the New Testament is specifically limited to whether or not believers are permitted to eat food or drink that was offered to idols. Nothing more. Gentiles definitely adhered to the Ten Commandments and the dietary laws until doctrine of doing away with the law began to enter via Roman Catholicism. This is why the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, which was at the fringe of the Roman empire, maintained its beliefs about the Ten Commandments including the Sabbath and maintains the dietary laws today. It is one of the oldest Christian branches and in so many ways, maintains an older and arguably purer version of Christianity.
  8. My mind went immediately to these verses: Matthew 7:21-23 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
  9. Christianity varies greatly, making such statements inaccurate. In my branch of the faith, we believe in the laws of God. The 10 Commandments are mandatory for us, including the seventh-day Sabbath (not Sunday). We believe the dietary laws are valid and one takes an oath to uphold them. No pork, shrimp etc. No alcohol, tobacco or other drugs. Tithing is mandatory. Prayer is considered critical to daily Christian life. Fasting and praying is encouraged, not just in our branch, but throughout Christianity. There are other groups within Christianity that uphold these beliefs as well. So your statements are inaccurate when it comes to a number of Christians. The Scriptures state clearly in John 14:15: 15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
  10. No, there are branches of Christianity that follow the dietary laws of the Bible and therefore do not eat pork, shrimp, and other unclean foods. Some also believe alcohol is forbidden as well. Same with tobacco or any other drug.
  11. There are definitely similarities here, which have been mentioned. As a Christian (Seventh-Day Adventist), our last day beliefs are very much rooted in the 3 angels' messages in Revelation. Revelation 14:6-12King James Version (KJV) 6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, 7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. 8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. 9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. In this we find the messages for these last days. That the gospel must be taken to all, that we must fear God and worship Him and that we must not receive the mark of the beast in our forehead or hand. That test of our faith is coming. We are to keep God's commandments and the faith of Jesus.
  12. Most have probably never heard of it. I certainly had not until now, and it has no bearing on my life. God will deal with them.
  13. Yes, there are groups who follow Scripture in this manner, usually Sabbatarian Christians. I am Seventh-day Adventist.
  14. In Adventist Christianity, we take an oath of modesty, in dress and overall. The majority refrain from wearing jewelry. Children's ears are often unpierced. People do not even see wedding rings as necessary but they are considered acceptable for practical reasons. Simple, modest living is encouraged in all areas of life. For most of my life, I didn't wear any jewelry at all. My mother wears none. My parents don't even wear wedding bands. Very recently, I started wearing some but very inexpensive. It likely won't be lasting.
  15. My beliefs differ due to the branch of Christianity that I belong. Tithing is obligatory in out belief. Regarding the Old Testament, we believe as the Scriptures state: 2 Timothy 3:16-17 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God[a] may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. So we believe in Old and New Testament. We believe in the whole Ten Commandments, including keeping the 7th day Sabbath. We believe in the dietary laws - no pork, no shellfish, no alcohol etc. The ceremonial laws or ordinances (law of Moses), however, which entailed animal sacrifice, feasts etc, we believe were foward looking to Christ's arrival and sacrifice on the cross and that being the only aspects obviously nonbinding on the Christian today for obvious reasons. However, they are to be studied to further understand the depth of salvation.
  16. Nonsense. I believe the God in His wisdom provided enough vegetation in the world for human and animal consumption, without one having to kill the other. The article only focuses on Australia. There are many other areas of the world where good land is available. That Australians have ruined their land and now cannot use it for others purposes is their own fault. Furthermore, grains are not the only sources of protein for vegetarians and there are other essential foods such as fruits and vegetables (that humans and animals eat). Poorly written article.
  17. This is interesting. This may have been asked in another thread but what tests are there to determine whether or not one is a prophet within Islam?
  18. Well, I am here to learn about Islam because I love learning about the many religions of the world. I am open to sharing my experience as Christian as well. I believe God converts willing hearts, so my purpose here has nothing to do with converting others. That is for GOD and GOD alone. Not all Christians believe swine or alcohol are fit for consumption. In my branch of the faith, we believe that the consumption of either is a violation of God's law. Part of our profession of faith is to refrain from consuming all unclean foods (pork, shrimp etc), alcohol, tobacco etc. All of the questions you ask about our familiarity with Islam and practicing the faith are questions that hopefully can be answered and learned from here on this forum. As a Christian, I love that the Bible gives us a guideline to live - love for God and others, dietary guidelines (food and drink), modesty, prophecy, prayer and the blessed Sabbath - a weekly communion with God where all worldly things are put aside to reverence God. I believe in it, as you believe in the Quran. May God bless you in your walk.
  19. That is why it is important to focus on God. People will often disappoint but God never disappoints and will lead us in the right direction.
  20. Nope. As a Christian, this has nothing to do with my beliefs regarding the beast, the particular anti-christ emphasized in Scripture in the last days. Israel is not part of that belief either. This video is just...no no no.
  21. Amen Amen. This is truth. Just to add... Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. The destruction by fire leads to death eternally, not eternal life in torment. Eternal life is given to the faithful ONLY. Psalm 37:20 But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the Lord shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away. 2 Peter 2:6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly; Sodom and Gomorrha burned to ashes and are not still burning. The Scriptures point to this as an example of what will happen to the wicked in the end. Malachi 4:1-3 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch. 2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall. 3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the Lord of hosts. In other words, the wicked will burn up and turn to ash. They will not burn endlessly or else they could not be ashes under the soles of feet. The punishment for the wicked is eternal (death) accomplished through fire. Only after the wicked have been burned up completely can this promise be fulfilled. Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
  22. My understanding is that Israel was to be an example of the holiness that God desires for all peoples. That was the reason behind the nation being chosen and all that being chosen meant. Naturally, Jesus was born of that lineage and walk according to the Holy Scriptures. So for those who truly believe in the Scriptures as being God's Word...I agree that ALL of it is relevant. There are Christians who follow the dietary laws as well as the Ten Commandments. Paul does not disgard any of those laws. That is a false interpretation.
  23. Every person chooses for himself or herself.
×
×
  • Create New...