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  1. No, the apostles were not infallible. Romans 3:23 - For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
  2. Agree with the bold. For me, the claims in Islam about corruption in the Bible amounts to the same claim as the law being done away within mainstream Christianity. Neither seems to embrace the original religion that significantly.
  3. The question is "what does it mean to be under grace?" All that it means is that by grace we are saved. It doesn't mean that you don't follow the law. People ignore or gloss over that passage by Paul that says the opposite of what you claiming: "Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law." Romans 3:31 How does one get around that and claim that Paul does away with the law? Paul states very clearly that faith does not void the law. It is as though he knew that people may try to change the message of his writings. Paul explains the interaction between grace, faith, the law and justification. He never does away with any of these and make clear that the law is established. The entire Bible says that faith is essential but nowhere does it say that works do not matter. That is doctrine developed outside of the Scriptures and Paul's teachings about the purpose and function of the law have been distorted by others. I am a Christian that believes in the law and that Jesus and Paul uphold the law. We are saved by grace through faith. Our works are evidence of our faith. Honestly, there is nothing frustrating about it because I have a completely different understanding of what Paul teaches than mainstream Christianity and Islam. There are other Christians that have a different understanding of Paul's teaching. We see nothing in his writings that teach what so many claim.
  4. Paul UPHELD the Law. He believe in and taught that the law is valid. Romans 3:31 - Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. Romans 2:12-15 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;) Mainstream Christianity and others teach a misinterpretation of Paul. All that Paul expounds on in Romans is the PURPOSE of the Law and that the Law does not SAVE. However, Paul always teaches that we are to FOLLOW the law.
  5. The majority of modern Christianity follows a misinterpretation of Paul. Paul teaches the same message as Jesus.
  6. Yes, but nowhere does this permit the discarding of the dietary laws. Again, the discussion in the New Testament regarding what to eat or drink deals with food offered to idols. As clarified in the verses in your previous post: Acts 15:28-29 28 "For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things. 29 that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell." Nowhere does the New Testament do away with dietary laws set forth in the Old Testament. There are discussions regarding food, yes and lessons using food as an example. However, the explanation regarding food in Romans 14 is simply part of the ongoing discussion regarding food/drink offered to idols.
  7. Hello Placid, The Scripture made very clear that "Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." Matthew 5:18 Heaven and earth have not passed away, therefore, God's law stands firm as the standard for those who believe in Scripture. The New Commandment in no way changes the old either. We simply should adhere to it, just as other commandments that God has provided to us. The whole issue here is the understanding of what constitutes the Law of Moses. The law of Moses is the sacrificial/ceremonial law or ordinances. It is different from the Ten Commandments, which were written by the hand of God. It is different from the dietary laws. Gentiles do not have to keep the sacrificial/ceremonial law (law of Moses or ordinances) because Christ, the sacrificial lamb has been slain. The Bible itself makes the distinction. The Ten Commandments were always placed INSIDE the Ark of the covenant as they were written by the hand of God and the presence of God hovered over the Ark. It is his unchanging law. (Heb. 9:4) The Law of Moses was placed BESIDE it, not inside. (Deuteronomy 31:26) Never does the Bible treat the groups of laws as the same because the latter was temporal and former was to last forever. Gentiles DO have to keep the Ten Commandments and the dietary laws, among others. Those stand according to the Scripture. The discussion regarding food throughout the New Testament is specifically limited to whether or not believers are permitted to eat food or drink that was offered to idols. Nothing more. Gentiles definitely adhered to the Ten Commandments and the dietary laws until doctrine of doing away with the law began to enter via Roman Catholicism. This is why the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, which was at the fringe of the Roman empire, maintained its beliefs about the Ten Commandments including the Sabbath and maintains the dietary laws today. It is one of the oldest Christian branches and in so many ways, maintains an older and arguably purer version of Christianity.
  8. My mind went immediately to these verses: Matthew 7:21-23 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
  9. Christianity varies greatly, making such statements inaccurate. In my branch of the faith, we believe in the laws of God. The 10 Commandments are mandatory for us, including the seventh-day Sabbath (not Sunday). We believe the dietary laws are valid and one takes an oath to uphold them. No pork, shrimp etc. No alcohol, tobacco or other drugs. Tithing is mandatory. Prayer is considered critical to daily Christian life. Fasting and praying is encouraged, not just in our branch, but throughout Christianity. There are other groups within Christianity that uphold these beliefs as well. So your statements are inaccurate when it comes to a number of Christians. The Scriptures state clearly in John 14:15: 15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
  10. No, there are branches of Christianity that follow the dietary laws of the Bible and therefore do not eat pork, shrimp, and other unclean foods. Some also believe alcohol is forbidden as well. Same with tobacco or any other drug.
  11. There are definitely similarities here, which have been mentioned. As a Christian (Seventh-Day Adventist), our last day beliefs are very much rooted in the 3 angels' messages in Revelation. Revelation 14:6-12King James Version (KJV) 6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, 7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. 8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. 9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. In this we find the messages for these last days. That the gospel must be taken to all, that we must fear God and worship Him and that we must not receive the mark of the beast in our forehead or hand. That test of our faith is coming. We are to keep God's commandments and the faith of Jesus.
  12. Most have probably never heard of it. I certainly had not until now, and it has no bearing on my life. God will deal with them.
  13. Yes, there are groups who follow Scripture in this manner, usually Sabbatarian Christians. I am Seventh-day Adventist.
  14. In Adventist Christianity, we take an oath of modesty, in dress and overall. The majority refrain from wearing jewelry. Children's ears are often unpierced. People do not even see wedding rings as necessary but they are considered acceptable for practical reasons. Simple, modest living is encouraged in all areas of life. For most of my life, I didn't wear any jewelry at all. My mother wears none. My parents don't even wear wedding bands. Very recently, I started wearing some but very inexpensive. It likely won't be lasting.
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