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Zurarah

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  1. salam brother abu dujana well i'm not sunni (not now) but i was most of my life and sunnis were brought up to love all sahabah even though they prefer some to some and it shocks the system of any sunni to see someone criticizing sahabah let alone cursing them or insulting them. we cannot expect a sunni to just switch and accept our logic or behavior( in case of people who curse ). yes sahabah are important because they conveyed the religion to us and Allah praised the good sahabah and prepared paradise for them if the carry on sticking to the truth and die upon it. so there's no guarantee unless Allah's decrees are followed to the best of ability of the sahabi. but to say that alla sahabah are good is not logical and it''s against characteristics of human nature. we believe than many sahabah were good and they were upon the truth but they are about 10% of sahabah and the rest are just normal humans , please refer to my thread about sahabah called : sahabah we love : wassalam
  2. ok inshallah i edited it so edit that part in your post brother. it was a joke but if you didn't like it then it's deleted wassalam
  3. Edited by the way and before a go watching the match i want to add this surprise to botta : the hadith he's trying to weaken was declared sahih by : surprise surprise : AL-ALBANI see silsilah sahiha by sheikh Al-albani but of course botta knows better than al-albani because information botta has about amru ibn maymoon and irsal etc was not available to sheikh al-albani!
  4. i wonder if brother Nader has anything to add or any comment to submit as he's unusually silent!
  5. Lord botta is nowhere to be found !
  6. if someone says that he saw him during ghaibah kobrah then we are ordered not to believe him. he cannot be seen during major ghaibah(atf) if someone says he saw him then he's a either a liar or got deluded so he's mistaken. ws
  7. jazakom Allah khairan you and brother aladdin, and may Allah keep us on the middle path of ahlbait(as) and be saved in this life and the hereafter ameen ya rabb. now back to botta : looks like botta is conferring with his friends : efendi and others but he didn't present proof as yet from where ahmed ibn hanbal said that amru ibn maymoon didn't hear from ibn abbas : i want to see where ahmed said ; amru ibn maymoon al-awdi didn't hear from ibn habbas. if imam ahmed said he doesn't know then not knowing is not like saying: no he didn't hear !! so where did he get that ahmed ibn hanbal view that amru ibn maymoon didn't hear from ibn abbas. i am waiting
  8. oh there's many brother ! first of all all sahabah are reliable then comes people like sufyan thawri and sufyan ibn uyaynah and sho3bah and nafi3 and al-amash , so many !
  9. i won't ignore him now brother , unless i get bored of him which will happen eventually. first of all i want to humiliate him and expose him in front of everyone that he's dishonest and only plays games. look at his avatar : he's saying indirectly: you are all retards and i'm here to take the mick out of you ! believe me he is showing great disdain and hatred for shia but using indirect signs.
  10. i think we should start calling him nutter (nutta ) ;)
  11. at least mr botta don't misquote me while i'm here , u are lying to my face which is strange. i didn't say ahmed is wrong as i didn't see what did ahmed say to judge it and i don't believe a word you say without seeing proof for it so show us what did ahmed say(this is the second time i ask for this) secondly you are playing games as usual: -one time the hadith is mursal which is not backed by any proof so far . -then you quoted dhahabi saying it's munkar or more accurately from manakeer abu balaj(rah) -then you claim the narrator is not amru ibn maymoon but maymoon abu abdilleh based on some flimsy assumption by ibn rajab. make up your mind mate! 1-dhahabi himself said hadith sahih and if he said munkar later then the matn is munkr and there's nothing wrong noticed by dhahabi about sanad and we know that fadhail ali (as) are many of them manakeer for dhahabi. 2-ibn taymyyah didn't say hadith munkar but said mursal which is not correct as there's many narrations where amru ibn maymoon said he was with ibn abbas and here we have one of them and amru ibn maymoon is thiqat but you are trying to make him look like a liar. the man says i heard ibn abbas and you say no !! what does this mean. 3-the narrator is amru ibn maymoon as the hadith says and no body commented on this : neither nasai or dhahabi or anyone as far as i know rejected that abu balaj heard from amru ibn maymoon and amru ibn maymoon met many sahabah like omar and others and in hadith about incident where omar was stabbed he said i was with omar and only ibn abbas was there . u are clinging to straws
  12. show us the paragraph please because i don't have access to mizan or many other books now as yasoob.com is not working. i wanna see what dhahabi said : is it about this particular hadith he called sahih in mustadrak or is it about different cahin or did he reject the whole thing as munkar? back to the topic : even if dhahabi said munkar then this is still proof for us not against us because dhahabi (if he said so) used the nakarah card and if the sanad was mursal then he would use the irsal instead or both but to overlook the irsal if it was proven then it's out of the question. second point is even weaker as both maymoon abu abdilleh( weak) and amru ibn maymoon narrated this hadith and i dont see the point of ibn rajab(and i believe this is where you got it from) standing against the slightest facts. thanks
  13. salam it's not my intention to expose anyone , i look at my defects first before even thinking of finding defects in others , but i have serious doubts about your aqeedah bro. maybe you are shia tafdhili or something like this but i doubt you are a twelver very much but it's not up to me to decide who you are . i always win arguments not because i am more intelligent or better than others astaghfirollah but because i stick to true tashay and stick to the middle path and ghulu never attracted me and also taqseer is not one of my problems alhamdulilleh. ws
  14. It looks like botta disappeared ! anyway untill he comes back i let his imam dhahabi destroy his claim: 4652 - ÃÎÈÑäÇ ÃÈæ ÈßÑ ÃÍãÏ Èä ÌÚÝÑ Èä ÍãÏÇä ÇáÞØíÚí ÈÈÛÏÇÏ ãä ÃÕá ßÊÇÈå ËäÇ ÚÈÏ Çááå Èä ÃÍãÏ Èä ÍäÈá ÍÏËäí ÃÈí ËäÇ íÍíì Èä ÍãÇÏ ) ËäÇ ÃÈæ ÚæÇäÉ ) ËäÇ ÃÈæ ÈáÌ ËäÇ ÚãÑæ Èä ãíãæä ÞÇá : Åäí áÌÇáÓ ÚäÏ ÇÈä ÚÈÇÓ ÅÐ ÃÊÇå ÊÓÚÉ ÑåØ ÝÞÇáæÇ : íÇ ÇÈä ÚÈÇÓ : ÅãÇ Ãä ÊÞæã ãÚäÇ æ ÅãÇ Ãä ÊÎáæ ÈäÇ ãä Èíä åÄáÇÁ ÞÇá : ÝÞÇá ÇÈä ÚÈÇÓ Èá ÃäÇ ÃÞæã ãÚßã ÞÇá æ åæ íæãÆÐ ÕÍíÍ ÞÈá Ãä íÚãì ÞÇá : ÝÇÈÊÏÄæÇ ÝÊÍÏËæÇ ÝáÇ äÏÑí ãÇ ÞÇáæÇ ÞÇá ÝÌÇÁ íäÝÖ ËæÈå æ íÞæá ÃÝ æ ÊÝ æÞÚæÇ Ýí ÑÌá áå ÈÖÚ ÚÔÑÉ ÝÖÇÆá áíÓÊ áÃÍÏ ÛíÑå æÞÚæÇ Ýí ÑÌá ÞÇá áå ÇáäÈí Õáì Çááå Úáíå æ Óáã : áÃÈÚËä ÑÌáÇ áÇ íÌÒíå Çááå ÃÈÏÇ íÍÈ Çááå æ ÑÓæáå æ íÍÈå Çááå æ ÑÓæáå ÝÇÓÊÔÑÝ áåÇ ãÓÊÔÑÝ ÝÞÇá : Ãíä Úáí ÝÞÇáæÇ : Åäå Ýí ÇáÑÍì íØÍä ÞÇá æ ãÇ ßÇä ÃÍÏåã áíØÍä ÞÇá ÝÌÇÁ æ åæ ÃÑãÏ áÇ íßÇÏ Ãä íÈÕÑ ÞÇá ÝäÝË Ýí Úíäíå Ëã åÒ ÇáÑÇíÉ ËáÇËÇ ÝÃÚØÇåÇ ÅíÇå ÝÌÇÁ Úáí ÈÕÝíÉ ÈäÊ Ííí ÞÇá ÇÈä ÚÈÇÓ Ëã ÈÚË ÑÓæá Çááå Õáì Çááå Úáíå æ Óáã ÝáÇäÇ ÈÓæÑÉ ÇáÊæÈÉ ÝÈÚË ÚáíÇ ÎáÝå ÝÃÎÐåÇ ãäå æ ÞÇá áÇ íÐåÈ ÈåÇ ÅáÇ ÑÌá åæ ãäí æ ÃäÇ ãäå ÝÞÇá ÇÈä ÚÈÇÓ æ ÞÇá ÇáäÈí Õáì Çááå Úáíå æ Óáã áÈäí Úãå : Ãíßã íæÇáíäí Ýí ÇáÏäíÇ æ ÇáÂÎÑÉ ÞÇá æ Úáí ÌÇáÓ ãÚåã ÝÞÇá ÑÓæá Çááå Õáì Çááå Úáíå æ Óáã æ ÃÞÈá Úáì ÑÌá ãäåã ÝÞÇá : Ãíßã íæÇáíäí Ýí ÇáÏäíÇ æ ÇáÂÎÑÉ ÝÃÈæÇ ÝÞÇá áÚáí ÃäÊ æáíí Ýí ÇáÏäíÇ æ ÇáÂÎÑÉ ÞÇá ÇÈä ÚÈÇÓ : æ ßÇä Úáí Ãæá ãä Âãä ãä ÇáäÇÓ ÈÚÏ ÎÏíÌÉ ÑÖí Çááå ÚäåÇ ÞÇá æ ÃÎÐ ÑÓæá Çááå Õáì Çááå Úáíå æ Óáã ËæÈå ÝæÖÚå Úáì Úáí æ ÝÇØãÉ æ ÍÓä æ ÍÓíä æ ÞÇá : ÅäãÇ íÑíÏ Çááå áíÐåÈ Úäßã ÇáÑÌÓ Ãåá ÇáÈíÊ æ íØåÑßã ÊØåíÑÇ ÞÇá ÇÈä ÚÈÇÓ : æ ÔÑì Úáí äÝÓå ÝáÈÓ ËæÈ ÇáäÈí Õáì Çááå Úáíå æ Óáã Ëã äÇã ãßÇäå ÞÇá ÇÈä ÚÈÇÓ : æ ßÇä ÇáãÔÑßæä íÑãæä ÑÓæá Çááå Õáì Çááå Úáíå æ Óáã ÝÌÇÁ ÃÈæ ÈßÑ ÑÖí Çááå Úäå æ Úáí äÇÆã ÞÇá æ ÃÈæ ÈßÑ íÍÓÈ Ãäå ÑÓæá Çááå Õáì Çááå Úáíå æ Óáã ÞÇá ÝÞÇá : íÇ äÈí Çááå ÝÞÇá áå Úáí : Åä äÈí Çááå Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÓáã ÞÏ ÇäØáÞ äÍæ ÈÆÑ ãíãæä ÝÇÏÑßå ÞÇá ÝÇäØáÞ ÃÈæ ÈßÑ ÝÏÎá ãÚå ÇáÛÇÑ ÞÇá æ ÌÚá Úáí ÑÖí Çááå Úäå íÑãì ÈÇáÍÌÇÑÉ ßãÇ ßÇä Ñãí äÈí Çááå Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÓáã æ åæ íÊÖæÑ æ ÞÏ áÝ ÑÃÓå Ýí ÇáËæÈ áÇ íÎÑÌå ÍÊì ÃÕÈÍ Ëã ßÔÝ Úä ÑÃÓå ÝÞÇáæÇ Åäß ááÆíã æ ßÇä ÕÇÍÈß áÇ íÊÖæÑ æ äÍä äÑãíå æ ÃäÊ ÊÊÖæÑ æ ÞÏ ÇÓÊäßÑäÇ Ðáß ÝÞÇá ÇÈä ÚÈÇÓ : æ ÎÑÌ ÑÓæá Çááå Õáì Çááå Úáíå æ Óáã Ýí ÛÒæÉ ÊÈæß æ ÎÑÌ ÈÇáäÇÓ ãÚå ÞÇá ÝÞÇá áå Úáí : ÃÎÑÌ ãÚß ÞÇá : ÝÞÇá ÇáäÈí Õáì Çááå Úáíå æ Óáã áÇ ÝÈßì Úáí ÝÞÇá áå : ÃãÇ ÊÑÖì Ãä Êßæä ãäí ÈãäÒáÉ åÇÑæä ãä ãæÓì ÅáÇ Ãäå áíÓ ÈÚÏí äÈí Åäå áÇ íäÈÛí Ãä ÃÐåÈ ÅáÇ æ ÃäÊ ÎáíÝÊí ÞÇá ÇÈä ÚÈÇÓ æ ÞÇá áå ÑÓæá Çááå Õáì Çááå Úáíå æ Óáã ÃäÊ æáí ßá ãÄãä ÈÚÏí æ ãÄãäÉ ÞÇá ÇÈä ÚÈÇÓ æ ÓÏ ÑÓæá Çááå Õáì Çááå Úáíå æ Óáã ÃÈæÇÈ ÇáãÓÌÏ ÛíÑ ÈÇÈ Úáí ÝßÇä íÏÎá ÇáãÓÌÏ ÌäÈÇ æ åæ ØÑíÞå áíÓ áå ØÑíÞ ÛíÑå ÞÇá ÇÈä ÚÈÇÓ : æ ÞÇá ÑÓæá Çááå Õáì Çááå Úáíå æ Óáã ãä ßäÊ ãæáÇå ÝÅä ãæáÇå Úáí ÞÇá ÇÈä ÚÈÇÓ æ ÞÏ ÃÎÈÑäÇ Çááå ÚÒ æ Ìá Ýí ÇáÞÑÂä Åäå ÑÖí Úä ÃÕÍÇÈ ÇáÔÌÑÉ ÝÚáã ãÇ Ýí ÞáæÈåã Ýåá ÃÎÈÑäÇ Ãäå ÓÎØ Úáíåã ÈÚÏ Ðáß ÞÇá ÇÈä ÚÈÇÓ : æ ÞÇá äÈí Çááå Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÓáã áÚãÑ ÑÖí Çááå Úäå Ííä ÞÇá : ÇÆÐä áí ÝÇÖÑÈ ÚäÞå ÞÇá : æ ßäÊ ÝÇÚáÇ æ ãÇ íÏÑíß áÚá Çááå ÞÏ ÇØáÚ Úáì Ãåá ÈÏÑ ÝÞÇá ÇÚáãæÇ ãÇ ÔÆÊã åÐÇ ÍÏíË ÕÍíÍ ÇáÅÓäÇÏ æ áã íÎÑÌÇå ÈåÐå ÇáÓíÇÞÉ so al-hakim said : sahih : not mursal not munqati but sahih but more than this then dhahabi said : surprise surprise : SAHIH good luck trying botta!!!!!! ps: the hadith from mustadrak is the same hadith shown in the first post and it was narrated also by nasai (rah)
  15. i did years ago thanks !!!!!!!!!!!!
  16. oh really botta ?! so was amru ibn maymoon a liar ?? he said he was sat with ibn abbas ! ÚãÑæ Èä ãíãæä ÞÇá : Çäì áÌÇáÓ Åáì ÇÈä ÚÈÇÓ it's laughable that you are using an assertive tone as if you presented a solid proof!!! amru ibn maymoon al-awdi is thiqat and met many sahabah and some even say he was sahabi but this is not proven. i want solid proofs as words of ahmed then it's not clear from them that he denied this as you strangely concluded so please show us the whole paragraph so we can look into it . shukran
  17. Also ibn taymyyah and co like ibn katheer tried to weaken hadith of brotherhood now we are not talking about hadith from prophet but about athar of ali(as) who said it himself that he is the brother of rasool Allah(saww)and here's a hadith with strong sanad about this 32079 - حدثنا عبد الله بن نمير عن الحارث بن حصيرة قال حدثني أبو سليمان الجهني يعني زيد بن وهب قال سمعت عليا على المنبر وهو يقول أنا عبد الله وأخو رسوله صلى الله عليه و سلم لم يقلها أحد قبلي ولا يقولها أحد بعدي إلا كذاب مفتر http://islamport.com/d/1/mtn/1/114/4266.html?zoom_highlightsub=%22%C5%E4%E3%C7+%E3%CB%E1%E4%C7+%DD%ED+%E5%D0%E5+%C7%E1%C3%E3%C9+%DF%D3%DD%ED%E4%C9+%E4%E6%CD+%22 the hadith is from musannaf ibn abi shaibah : narrated abdullah ibn umair from harith ibn haseerah narrated abu sulaiman al-juhani meaning sulaiman ibn wahb he said i heard ali on the pulipit saying : i 'am the slave of Allah and the brother of rasool Allah nobody said it before me and nobody will say it after me but a liar.
  18. thanks for support brother aladdin, i appreciate it . for people who can't speak arabik then the hadith talks about few fadhail of ali (as) as repported by ibn Abbas(ra): in this hadith there's few points about ali(as) : -rasool Allah chose him to conquer khaibar and took banner from abu bakr and gave it to ali(as) and said : only a man from me and that i'm from him goes with the banner - rasool Allah asked: who is willing to be my ally in this life and the hereafter ?? ali said: i do.. -ali was the first to embrace islam after khadija -he put himself in danger by sleeping in prophet(saw) bed -about him and his sons and his wife (saw) was revealed the verse of purification. -rasool Allah told him: you are to me like haroon was to musa.. - rasool Allah ordered the boarding of all dors in majjid apart from ali's door. -he was from people of badr . _ rasool Allah said: whoever i'm his maula ali is his maula. next i will give some more examples of ignorance of ibn taymyyah but for the momenet let's wait for Botta and co to answer .
  19. salam here i give a sample of ignorance of ibn taymyyah(la) in his minhaj answering his master allmah al-hilli(ts) he said: Çá ÇáÑÇÝÖí æÚä ÚãÑæ Èä ãíãæä ÞÇá áÚáí Èä ÃÈí ØÇáÈ ÚÔÑ ÝÖÇÆá áíÓÊ áÛíÑå ÞÇá ÇáäÈí Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÓáã áÃÈÚËä ÑÌáÇð áÇ íÎÒíå Çááå ÃÈÏÇð íÍÈ Çááå æÑÓæáå æíÍÈå Çááå æÑÓæáå ÝÇÓÊÔÑÝ ÅáíåÇ ãä ÇÓÊÔÑÝ ÝÞÇá Ãíä Úáí Èä ÃÈí ØÇáÈ ÞÇáæÇ åæ ÃÑãÏ Ýí ÇáÑÍÇ íÍØä æãÇ ßÇä ÃÍÏåã íØÍä ÞÇá ÝÌÇÁ æåæ ÃÑãÏ áÇ íßÇÏ Ãä íÈÕÑ ÞÇá ÝäÝË Ýí Úíäíå Ëã åÒø áå ÇáÑÇíÉ ËáÇËÇð æÃÚØÇåÇ ÅíÇå ÝÌÇÁ ÈÕÝíÉ ÈäÊ Ííí ÞÇá Ëã ÈÚË ÃÈÇ ÈßÑ ÈÓæÑÉ ÈÑÇÁÉ ÝÈÚË ÚáíÇð ÎáÝå ÝÃÎÐåÇ ãäå æÞÇá áÇ íÐåÈ ÈåÇ ÅáÇ ÑÌá åæ ãäí æÃäÇ ãäå ¡ æÞÇá áÈäí Úãå Ãíßã íæÇáíäí Ýí ÇáÏäíÇ æÇáÂÎÑÉ ÞÇá æÚáí ÌÇáÓ ãÚåã ÝÃÈæÇ ÝÞÇá Úáí ÃäÇ ÃæÇáíß Ýí ÇáÏäíÇ æÇáÂÎÑÉ ¡ ÞÇá ÝÊÑßå Ëã ÃÞÈá Úáì ÑÌá ÑÌá ãäåã ÝÞÇá Ãíßã íæÇáíäí Ýí ÇáÏäíÇ æÇáÂÎÑÉ ÝÃÈæÇ ¡ ÝÞÇá Úáí ÃäÇ ÃæÇáíß Ýí ÇáÏäíÇ æÇáÂÎÑÉ ¡ ÝÞÇá ÃäÊ æáíí Ýí ÇáÏäíÇ æÇáÂÎÑÉ ¡ ÞÇá æßÇä Úáí Ãæá ãä ÃÓáã ãä ÇáäÇÓ ÈÚÏ ÎÏíÌÉ ÞÇá æÃÎÐ ÑÓæá Çááå Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÓáã ËæÈå ÝæÖÚå Úáì Úáí æÝÇØãÉ æÇáÍÓä æÇáÍÓíä ÝÞÇá ÅäãÇ íÑíÏ Çááå áíÐåÈ Úäßã ÇáÑÌÓ Ãåá ÇáÈíÊ æíØåÑßã ÊØåíÑÇ ¡ ÞÇá æÔÑì Úáí äÝÓå æáÈÓ ËæÈ ÑÓæá Çááå Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÓáã Ëã äÇã ãßÇäå æßÇä ÇáãÔÑßæä íÑãæäå ÈÇáÍÌÇÑÉ æÎÑÌ ÑÓæá Çááå Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÓáã ÈÇáäÇÓ Ýí ÛÒÇÉ ÊÈæß ÝÞÇá áå Úáí ÃÎÑÌ ãÚß ÝÞÇá áÇ ¡ ÝÈßì Úáí ÝÞÇá áå ÃãÇ ÊÑÖì Ãä Êßæä ãäí ÈãäÒáÉ åÇÑæä ãä ãæÓì ÅáÇ Ãäß áÓÊ ÈäÈí ¡ áÇ íäÈÛí Ãä ÃÐåÈ ÅáÇ æÃäÊ ÎáíÝÊí ¡ æÞÇá áå ÑÓæá Çááå Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÓáã ÃäÊ æáíí Ýí ßá ãÄãä ÈÚÏí ÞÇá æÓÏ ÃÈæÇÈ ÇáãÓÌÏ ÅáÇø ÈÇÈ Úáí ¡ ÞÇá æßÇä íÏÎá ÇáãÓÌÏ ÌäÈÇð æåæ ØÑíÞå áíÓ áå ØÑíÞ ÛíÑå æÞÇá áå ãä ßäÊ ãæáÇå he said: the rafidhi said : from amru ibn maymoon that ali ibn abi talb had 10 virtues ...etc in his answer ibn taymyyah said: this is not connected and it's mursal if it was indeed said by amru ibn maymoon. ref : minhaj al-sunnah(al-bid'a not al-sunnah) v 4 p 8 i say what a useless nasibi this guy is : the hadith is connected and is not mursal in anyway and amru ibn maymoon narrated this hadith from ibn abbas and he declared that he was with ibn abbas (ra) during this incident so how on earth can this hadith be mursal?? here's the proof from sunan nasai kobra v 5 page 113: ÃÎÈÑäÇ ãÍãÏ Èä ÇáãËäì ÞÇá ÍÏËäÇ íÍíì Èä ÍãÇÏ ÞÇá ÍÏËäÇ ÇáæÖÇÍ æåæ ÃÈæ ÚæÇäÉ ÞÇá ÍÏËäÇ íÍíì ÞÇá ÍÏËäÇ ÚãÑæ Èä ãíãæä ÞÇá : Åäí áÌÇáÓ Åáì Èä ÚÈÇÓ ÅÐ ÃÊÇå ÊÓÚÉ ÑåØ the underlined part of hadith from sunan nasai says: amru ibn maymoon told us : he was sat with ibn abbas so 9 people came to him...etc so amru ibn maymoon was there and witnessed the whole incident. also in tahdhib : ÚãÑæ Èä ãíãæä ÇáÃæÏí ÃÈæ ÚÈÏ Çááå æíÞÇá ÃÈæ íÍíì ÇáßæÝí ÃÏÑß ÇáÌÇåáíÉ æáã íáÞ ÇáäÈí æÑæì Úä ÚãÑ æÇÈä ãÓÚæÏ æãÚÇÐ Èä ÌÈá æÃÈí ÐÑ æÃÈí ãÓÚæÏ ÇáÈÏÑí æÓÚÏ Èä ÃÈí æÞÇÕ æãÚÞá Èä íÓÇÑ æÚÇÆÔÉ æÃÈí åÑíÑÉ æÇÈä ÚÈÇÓ and ibn hajar didn't object to his narration from ibn abbas neither did anyone untill ibn taymyyah !!! sheikh al-islam indeed !!!! anyway the hadith is about fadhail ali (as) Imagine if their spiritual leader is such an ignorant in hadith then what about common little salafis we have today ? anyway i thnk what happened here is that ibn taymyyah confused ÚãÑæ Èä ãíãæä Èä ãåÑÇä ÇáÌÒÑí amru ibn maymoon ibn mahran al-jazari with ÚãÑæ Èä ãíãæä ÇáÃæÏí amru ibn maymoon al-awdi who is the narrator here
  20. no brother , here in morocco people use the eye and hand signs to fend off evil eyes and bad spirits according to them and they are sunnis
  21. strange mr botta that such an opinionated man as you suddenly doesn't have an opinion when it comes to yazeed laeen !!!! you seem to have an opinion about everything but here you stopped!
  22. as i said mr botta you are always playing games : who runs the website islamweb?? they are scholars and some doctors in uloom al-sharia and many of them specialized in hadith !! so u are talking as if the website is run by a ghost or something. secondly why is the addition munkar ??? because we will be judged about loving ahlbait(as)?? well you have sahih hadith that whoever hates ahlbait then he'll go to hell so why isn't this one munkar and it implies also clearly that we will be judged about our relationship with ahlbait(love or hatred) so how is that addition munkar ?
  23. salam alaykom brother Nader bismillileh wa billeh wa ala sunnati rasool Allah since you came to defend sunnis even though not all sunnis as malikyyah don't pray with their hands folded like other sects , then i will answer you instead of sunnis and salafis that seem to have forsaken defending their way of prayer with hands folded . you mentioned hadith of wa'il ibn hijr (rah) there's many hadiths from wa'il ibn hijr in sunan nasai and musnad ahmed and others but let''s start with sahih muslim : ÍÏËäÇ ÒåíÑ Èä ÍÑÈ ÍÏËäÇ ÚÝÇä ÍÏËäÇ åãÇã ÍÏËäÇ ãÍãÏ Èä ÌÍÇÏÉ ÍÏËäí ÚÈÏ ÇáÌÈÇÑ Èä æÇÆá Úä ÚáÞãÉ Èä æÇÆá æãæáì áåã ÃäåãÇ ÍÏËÇå Úä ÃÈíå æÇÆá Èä ÍÌÑ Ãäå ÑÃì ÇáäÈí Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÓáã ÑÝÚ íÏíå Ííä ÏÎá Ýí ÇáÕáÇÉ ßÈÑ æÕÝ åãÇã ÍíÇá ÇáíÓÑì Ëã ÇáÊÍÝ ÈËæÈå Ëã æÖÚ íÏå Çáíãäì Úáì ÇáíÓÑì ÝáãÇ ÃÑÇÏ ÃÎÑÌ íÏíå ãä ÇáËæÈ Ëã ÑÝÚåãÇ Ëã ßÈÑ ÝÑßÚ ÝáãÇ ÞÇá ÓãÚ Çááå áãä ÍãÏå ÑÝÚ íÏíå ÝáãÇ ÓÌÏ ÓÌÏ Èíä ßÝíå narrated zuhair ibn harb narrated affan narrated hammam narrated mohamed ibn jahadah narrated abdul jabbar ibn wa'il from alqamah ibn wa'il(brother of abdul jabbar) and one of their servants they narrated from his wa'il ibn hijr that he saw the prophet ....put his right hand over his left hand ... ok brother Nader : the hadith seems AT FIRST SIGHT like it's fine as all narrators are thiqat BUT the hadith is not sahih but ma3lool and very weak and the reason is that the hadith is narrated by alqamah ibn wa'il the son of wa'il and he himself testified that he doesn't remember the prayer of his father as he was very young and this made yahya ibn mu'een say that narration of alqamah from his father is mursal (so hadith mursal is weak) see tahdheeb tahdheed 7 page 247. the other narrations from wa'il ibn hijr is weak because either his son abduljabbar narrates from a servant that he doesn't name so jahalat of narrator is addded to the weakness of the hadith and also abduljabbar was not even born when his father died as stated by bukhari etc etc ..
  24. salam please next time present hadiths in arabic or at least give sanad of narrators i have to go out now but i will destroy all hadiths you gave and turn them into dust inshallah be back later ps: before i go please prepare all hadiths you want to discuss( if one is sahih and without 3illa then i will admit it but i doubt it very much )
  25. sadaqallahu al-adhim, then if dhahabi said this then that seals it doesn't it !!! dhahabi couldn't find anything wrong with narrator and sanad so he attacked the matn and labelled hadith as munkar. now tell the brothers here what is the verdict of islamweb gurus about the narrator !
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