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Zurarah

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  1. salam brother abu dujana well i'm not sunni (not now) but i was most of my life and sunnis were brought up to love all sahabah even though they prefer some to some and it shocks the system of any sunni to see someone criticizing sahabah let alone cursing them or insulting them. we cannot expect a sunni to just switch and accept our logic or behavior( in case of people who curse ). yes sahabah are important because they conveyed the religion to us and Allah praised the good sahabah and prepared paradise for them if the carry on sticking to the truth and die upon it. so there's no guarantee unless Allah's decrees are followed to the best of ability of the sahabi. but to say that alla sahabah are good is not logical and it''s against characteristics of human nature. we believe than many sahabah were good and they were upon the truth but they are about 10% of sahabah and the rest are just normal humans , please refer to my thread about sahabah called : sahabah we love : wassalam
  2. ok inshallah i edited it so edit that part in your post brother. it was a joke but if you didn't like it then it's deleted wassalam
  3. Edited by the way and before a go watching the match i want to add this surprise to botta : the hadith he's trying to weaken was declared sahih by : surprise surprise : AL-ALBANI see silsilah sahiha by sheikh Al-albani but of course botta knows better than al-albani because information botta has about amru ibn maymoon and irsal etc was not available to sheikh al-albani!
  4. i wonder if brother Nader has anything to add or any comment to submit as he's unusually silent!
  5. Lord botta is nowhere to be found !
  6. if someone says that he saw him during ghaibah kobrah then we are ordered not to believe him. he cannot be seen during major ghaibah(atf) if someone says he saw him then he's a either a liar or got deluded so he's mistaken. ws
  7. jazakom Allah khairan you and brother aladdin, and may Allah keep us on the middle path of ahlbait(as) and be saved in this life and the hereafter ameen ya rabb. now back to botta : looks like botta is conferring with his friends : efendi and others but he didn't present proof as yet from where ahmed ibn hanbal said that amru ibn maymoon didn't hear from ibn abbas : i want to see where ahmed said ; amru ibn maymoon al-awdi didn't hear from ibn habbas. if imam ahmed said he doesn't know then not knowing is not like saying: no he didn't hear !! so where did he get that ahmed ibn hanbal view that amru ibn maymoon didn't hear from ibn abbas. i am waiting
  8. oh there's many brother ! first of all all sahabah are reliable then comes people like sufyan thawri and sufyan ibn uyaynah and sho3bah and nafi3 and al-amash , so many !
  9. i won't ignore him now brother , unless i get bored of him which will happen eventually. first of all i want to humiliate him and expose him in front of everyone that he's dishonest and only plays games. look at his avatar : he's saying indirectly: you are all retards and i'm here to take the mick out of you ! believe me he is showing great disdain and hatred for shia but using indirect signs.
  10. i think we should start calling him nutter (nutta ) ;)
  11. at least mr botta don't misquote me while i'm here , u are lying to my face which is strange. i didn't say ahmed is wrong as i didn't see what did ahmed say to judge it and i don't believe a word you say without seeing proof for it so show us what did ahmed say(this is the second time i ask for this) secondly you are playing games as usual: -one time the hadith is mursal which is not backed by any proof so far . -then you quoted dhahabi saying it's munkar or more accurately from manakeer abu balaj(rah) -then you claim the narrator is not amru ibn maymoon but maymoon abu abdilleh based on some flimsy assumption by ibn rajab. make up your mind mate! 1-dhahabi himself said hadith sahih and if he said munkar later then the matn is munkr and there's nothing wrong noticed by dhahabi about sanad and we know that fadhail ali (as) are many of them manakeer for dhahabi. 2-ibn taymyyah didn't say hadith munkar but said mursal which is not correct as there's many narrations where amru ibn maymoon said he was with ibn abbas and here we have one of them and amru ibn maymoon is thiqat but you are trying to make him look like a liar. the man says i heard ibn abbas and you say no !! what does this mean. 3-the narrator is amru ibn maymoon as the hadith says and no body commented on this : neither nasai or dhahabi or anyone as far as i know rejected that abu balaj heard from amru ibn maymoon and amru ibn maymoon met many sahabah like omar and others and in hadith about incident where omar was stabbed he said i was with omar and only ibn abbas was there . u are clinging to straws
  12. show us the paragraph please because i don't have access to mizan or many other books now as yasoob.com is not working. i wanna see what dhahabi said : is it about this particular hadith he called sahih in mustadrak or is it about different cahin or did he reject the whole thing as munkar? back to the topic : even if dhahabi said munkar then this is still proof for us not against us because dhahabi (if he said so) used the nakarah card and if the sanad was mursal then he would use the irsal instead or both but to overlook the irsal if it was proven then it's out of the question. second point is even weaker as both maymoon abu abdilleh( weak) and amru ibn maymoon narrated this hadith and i dont see the point of ibn rajab(and i believe this is where you got it from) standing against the slightest facts. thanks
  13. salam it's not my intention to expose anyone , i look at my defects first before even thinking of finding defects in others , but i have serious doubts about your aqeedah bro. maybe you are shia tafdhili or something like this but i doubt you are a twelver very much but it's not up to me to decide who you are . i always win arguments not because i am more intelligent or better than others astaghfirollah but because i stick to true tashay and stick to the middle path and ghulu never attracted me and also taqseer is not one of my problems alhamdulilleh. ws
  14. It looks like botta disappeared ! anyway untill he comes back i let his imam dhahabi destroy his claim: 4652 - ÃÎÈÑäÇ ÃÈæ ÈßÑ ÃÍãÏ Èä ÌÚÝÑ Èä ÍãÏÇä ÇáÞØíÚí ÈÈÛÏÇÏ ãä ÃÕá ßÊÇÈå ËäÇ ÚÈÏ Çááå Èä ÃÍãÏ Èä ÍäÈá ÍÏËäí ÃÈí ËäÇ íÍíì Èä ÍãÇÏ ) ËäÇ ÃÈæ ÚæÇäÉ ) ËäÇ ÃÈæ ÈáÌ ËäÇ ÚãÑæ Èä ãíãæä ÞÇá : Åäí áÌÇáÓ ÚäÏ ÇÈä ÚÈÇÓ ÅÐ ÃÊÇå ÊÓÚÉ ÑåØ ÝÞÇáæÇ : íÇ ÇÈä ÚÈÇÓ : ÅãÇ Ãä ÊÞæã ãÚäÇ æ ÅãÇ Ãä ÊÎáæ ÈäÇ ãä Èíä åÄáÇÁ ÞÇá : ÝÞÇá ÇÈä ÚÈÇÓ Èá ÃäÇ ÃÞæã ãÚßã ÞÇá æ åæ íæãÆÐ ÕÍíÍ ÞÈá Ãä íÚãì ÞÇá : ÝÇÈÊÏÄæÇ ÝÊÍÏËæÇ ÝáÇ äÏÑí ãÇ ÞÇáæÇ ÞÇá ÝÌÇÁ íäÝÖ ËæÈå æ íÞæá ÃÝ æ ÊÝ æÞÚæÇ Ýí ÑÌá áå ÈÖÚ ÚÔÑÉ ÝÖÇÆá áíÓÊ áÃÍÏ ÛíÑå æÞÚæÇ Ýí ÑÌá ÞÇá áå ÇáäÈí Õáì Çááå Úáíå æ Óáã : áÃÈÚËä ÑÌáÇ áÇ íÌÒíå Çááå ÃÈÏÇ íÍÈ Çááå æ ÑÓæáå æ íÍÈå Çááå æ ÑÓæáå ÝÇÓÊÔÑÝ áåÇ ãÓÊÔÑÝ ÝÞÇá : Ãíä Úáí ÝÞÇáæÇ : Åäå Ýí ÇáÑÍì íØÍä ÞÇá æ ãÇ ßÇä ÃÍÏåã áíØÍä ÞÇá ÝÌÇÁ æ åæ ÃÑãÏ áÇ íßÇÏ Ãä íÈÕÑ ÞÇá ÝäÝË Ýí Úíäíå Ëã åÒ ÇáÑÇíÉ ËáÇËÇ ÝÃÚØÇåÇ ÅíÇå ÝÌÇÁ Úáí ÈÕÝíÉ ÈäÊ Ííí ÞÇá ÇÈä ÚÈÇÓ Ëã ÈÚË ÑÓæá Çááå Õáì Çááå Úáíå æ Óáã ÝáÇäÇ ÈÓæÑÉ ÇáÊæÈÉ ÝÈÚË ÚáíÇ ÎáÝå ÝÃÎÐåÇ ãäå æ ÞÇá áÇ íÐåÈ ÈåÇ ÅáÇ ÑÌá åæ ãäí æ ÃäÇ ãäå ÝÞÇá ÇÈä ÚÈÇÓ æ ÞÇá ÇáäÈí Õáì Çááå Úáíå æ Óáã áÈäí Úãå : Ãíßã íæÇáíäí Ýí ÇáÏäíÇ æ ÇáÂÎÑÉ ÞÇá æ Úáí ÌÇáÓ ãÚåã ÝÞÇá ÑÓæá Çááå Õáì Çááå Úáíå æ Óáã æ ÃÞÈá Úáì ÑÌá ãäåã ÝÞÇá : Ãíßã íæÇáíäí Ýí ÇáÏäíÇ æ ÇáÂÎÑÉ ÝÃÈæÇ ÝÞÇá áÚáí ÃäÊ æáíí Ýí ÇáÏäíÇ æ ÇáÂÎÑÉ ÞÇá ÇÈä ÚÈÇÓ : æ ßÇä Úáí Ãæá ãä Âãä ãä ÇáäÇÓ ÈÚÏ ÎÏíÌÉ ÑÖí Çááå ÚäåÇ ÞÇá æ ÃÎÐ ÑÓæá Çááå Õáì Çááå Úáíå æ Óáã ËæÈå ÝæÖÚå Úáì Úáí æ ÝÇØãÉ æ ÍÓä æ ÍÓíä æ ÞÇá : ÅäãÇ íÑíÏ Çááå áíÐåÈ Úäßã ÇáÑÌÓ Ãåá ÇáÈíÊ æ íØåÑßã ÊØåíÑÇ ÞÇá ÇÈä ÚÈÇÓ : æ ÔÑì Úáí äÝÓå ÝáÈÓ ËæÈ ÇáäÈí Õáì Çááå Úáíå æ Óáã Ëã äÇã ãßÇäå ÞÇá ÇÈä ÚÈÇÓ : æ ßÇä ÇáãÔÑßæä íÑãæä ÑÓæá Çááå Õáì Çááå Úáíå æ Óáã ÝÌÇÁ ÃÈæ ÈßÑ ÑÖí Çááå Úäå æ Úáí äÇÆã ÞÇá æ ÃÈæ ÈßÑ íÍÓÈ Ãäå ÑÓæá Çááå Õáì Çááå Úáíå æ Óáã ÞÇá ÝÞÇá : íÇ äÈí Çááå ÝÞÇá áå Úáí : Åä äÈí Çááå Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÓáã ÞÏ ÇäØáÞ äÍæ ÈÆÑ ãíãæä ÝÇÏÑßå ÞÇá ÝÇäØáÞ ÃÈæ ÈßÑ ÝÏÎá ãÚå ÇáÛÇÑ ÞÇá æ ÌÚá Úáí ÑÖí Çááå Úäå íÑãì ÈÇáÍÌÇÑÉ ßãÇ ßÇä Ñãí äÈí Çááå Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÓáã æ åæ íÊÖæÑ æ ÞÏ áÝ ÑÃÓå Ýí ÇáËæÈ áÇ íÎÑÌå ÍÊì ÃÕÈÍ Ëã ßÔÝ Úä ÑÃÓå ÝÞÇáæÇ Åäß ááÆíã æ ßÇä ÕÇÍÈß áÇ íÊÖæÑ æ äÍä äÑãíå æ ÃäÊ ÊÊÖæÑ æ ÞÏ ÇÓÊäßÑäÇ Ðáß ÝÞÇá ÇÈä ÚÈÇÓ : æ ÎÑÌ ÑÓæá Çááå Õáì Çááå Úáíå æ Óáã Ýí ÛÒæÉ ÊÈæß æ ÎÑÌ ÈÇáäÇÓ ãÚå ÞÇá ÝÞÇá áå Úáí : ÃÎÑÌ ãÚß ÞÇá : ÝÞÇá ÇáäÈí Õáì Çááå Úáíå æ Óáã áÇ ÝÈßì Úáí ÝÞÇá áå : ÃãÇ ÊÑÖì Ãä Êßæä ãäí ÈãäÒáÉ åÇÑæä ãä ãæÓì ÅáÇ Ãäå áíÓ ÈÚÏí äÈí Åäå áÇ íäÈÛí Ãä ÃÐåÈ ÅáÇ æ ÃäÊ ÎáíÝÊí ÞÇá ÇÈä ÚÈÇÓ æ ÞÇá áå ÑÓæá Çááå Õáì Çááå Úáíå æ Óáã ÃäÊ æáí ßá ãÄãä ÈÚÏí æ ãÄãäÉ ÞÇá ÇÈä ÚÈÇÓ æ ÓÏ ÑÓæá Çááå Õáì Çááå Úáíå æ Óáã ÃÈæÇÈ ÇáãÓÌÏ ÛíÑ ÈÇÈ Úáí ÝßÇä íÏÎá ÇáãÓÌÏ ÌäÈÇ æ åæ ØÑíÞå áíÓ áå ØÑíÞ ÛíÑå ÞÇá ÇÈä ÚÈÇÓ : æ ÞÇá ÑÓæá Çááå Õáì Çááå Úáíå æ Óáã ãä ßäÊ ãæáÇå ÝÅä ãæáÇå Úáí ÞÇá ÇÈä ÚÈÇÓ æ ÞÏ ÃÎÈÑäÇ Çááå ÚÒ æ Ìá Ýí ÇáÞÑÂä Åäå ÑÖí Úä ÃÕÍÇÈ ÇáÔÌÑÉ ÝÚáã ãÇ Ýí ÞáæÈåã Ýåá ÃÎÈÑäÇ Ãäå ÓÎØ Úáíåã ÈÚÏ Ðáß ÞÇá ÇÈä ÚÈÇÓ : æ ÞÇá äÈí Çááå Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÓáã áÚãÑ ÑÖí Çááå Úäå Ííä ÞÇá : ÇÆÐä áí ÝÇÖÑÈ ÚäÞå ÞÇá : æ ßäÊ ÝÇÚáÇ æ ãÇ íÏÑíß áÚá Çááå ÞÏ ÇØáÚ Úáì Ãåá ÈÏÑ ÝÞÇá ÇÚáãæÇ ãÇ ÔÆÊã åÐÇ ÍÏíË ÕÍíÍ ÇáÅÓäÇÏ æ áã íÎÑÌÇå ÈåÐå ÇáÓíÇÞÉ so al-hakim said : sahih : not mursal not munqati but sahih but more than this then dhahabi said : surprise surprise : SAHIH good luck trying botta!!!!!! ps: the hadith from mustadrak is the same hadith shown in the first post and it was narrated also by nasai (rah)
  15. i did years ago thanks !!!!!!!!!!!!
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