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Ayatollah Khamenei's Right Hand
javvad replied to god_has_99_names's topic in General Islamic Discussion
ok his hand was blown off along with some of his cheek and lost most of his teeth on his right side of his mouth in a bombing by the munafiqeen (mujahideen khalg a group of saddamist iranian traitors) who put a bomb in his microphone while he was talking and blew up in his face and secondly his hand was salvaged somehow and reattached but it doesn't work. in fact hes had like 4 assasination attempts on his life by these terrorist animals but he will always live and his hand will be over our heads from east to west -
can we analize the actual word to see if it actually means 2 years of age becuase regardless why would he allow you to do it becuase it makes no sense the baby doesnt even know?? and why would a husband do that to a baby you know what i mean? please look into the arabic or farsi and see if the age is actually 2 years old we cannot rely on other translators and we should start some kind of team to publish an answer and reaction to this set of claims about the imam and begin to post them oin internet so tht when people search it instead of getting anti islamic answers they can see our responses in a search engine.....but i want an analysis on the age word specifically and maybe it just means young pre-pubic girl but not 2?? i dont know we also need a solid answer if infact the translator is correct as well a solid rock solid refutation that woul cast doubt on the viewer as to the validity or permisibility of this or other ulema banning such things etc.....
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idara and its leadership are a bunch of cronies trying to make a name for themselves selling their souls to politicians who are completely against islam and using sistanis name for every thing they do to make excuses for it. all thier little seminars are like christian type evangelical groupings they just wana show they have a lot of people but NOTHING important is ever said and they completely refuse to support Muslims anywhere in the world or even speak out or make the slightest condemnation of isreal or the us foreign policy and obsessed with supposed "wahabiis" who the politicians kahunnas they kiss smack them in the face and sell 60 biollion dollars worth of arms to wahabi saudis lol. and naqvi is cult like character they almost worship him he has at least 100 "masters degrees" and is a specialist in everything except anything relevant he always talks about democracy and freedom and human rights etc...people feel like they're in the congress every time he speaks. their little gatherings are a half witted attempt to shmooz in a system that will not accept them unless they completely surcomb to their demands which includes watering down shiisms political activism and genuine political independence from all political and military and government influence. for example they have a table form the FBI at every one of their functions which is funny considering the FBI sends in spies fake muslims, video tapes and records masajids, sets up mentally retarded muslims who dont even know what thier dooing to blow up cars, arrest and incarcerate innocent muslims all around the usa Including SHIAS (seyed musavi in california) NOT WAHABIS and falsely accuse iranian islamic schools and charities of terrorism and close them down!!!! why don't they ever bring these things up to fbi agents at thier programs or condemn them or demand that they stop these things? whats the point of ass-kissing if nothing gets done and your only goal is to get people to keep quite and listen to the "moulana"? I wana know if sistani agrees with moulana always telling people to work for the fbi and act as spies?
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ok now were getting somewhere that makes sese from the last poster for example the girls parents die or something or for the girl to get aquainted with the family but what about the rubbing and sex part thats mentioned and what about age 2!!??
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first of all im a muqallid of AGHA but that doesnt mean that i didnt hear something wierd about imam khomeini and the "quotes" from his book are on the other threads go look at them as well as homa.org so theres my claim and all the arguments besides a few were just redicioulous people talking about how we need to criticize our ulema which has nothing to do with the question. so ammar brother im not against AGHA and im not fitna but you shouldnt just write me off and say fitna when im bringing something up!!! NOW without anymore nonsense lets get an expert on here or someone worthy of argueing against or for this!!!!!!!
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no marbles no1 has actually answered the question on the thread just some ranbling from some liberal pakistanis infact the threads get more and more off topic as they get bigger and bigger again we need to answer is this ruling even translated coreectly where did the 2 years old thing come from why not 1 or 3?? i mean the word translated as to 2 yrs old what is it?? or for example i have doubts about these pictures form the book or the book in general becuase in iran you will and people have been executed for child sex abuse when imam khomeini made the laws himself so it doesnt make any sense for him to make 2 differant rulings???
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the question is was it in the book or not.....b/c ive seen alot of asbsolutly bull[Edited Out] lies about buihar alanwar from saudi internet forums for hadiths that dont even exist so im assuming this is one of them considering it doesnt even make sense since a baby cant even make a decision at 3 years old so how could you marry it when it cant even take part in the marriage the whole thing seems like bull propaganda but i still wana see the book suposedly "volume 4" please only people who are willing to answer come up not opinions
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no i want answers are these fatwas in the book or not? please some1 knowledgable answer me
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why do saudi and anti islam iranians always quote these absolutly redicuoulous fatwas from imam khomeini like having sex with animals and with little children an suposedl in the book tahrir alwasileh can someone please explain this becuase im pretty sure theyr not real fatwas????
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shia ben has a perfect explanation of the issue. Irans main threat is isreal and then arab regimes becuase they are working together and iran cannot be an island in a sea believe it or not pakistan has a high amount of political freedom on low levels meaning shia and sunni groups have a strong hold and america cannot attack iran from pakistan but arab regimes will help usa and isreal attack iran soo iran needs to slowly slowly hold out in this cold war with isreal until so much pressure biulds that isreal collapses which looks like more and more to be the case maybe within 15 years or 20 accroding to cia. once this happens all the arab regimes will fall one by one just like saddam leaving a vaccume at this point iran can fill that vaccume and get a deeper hold in arab countries at this point they can openly work on shia issues..........but if they do this now and only worry about shias arab regeimes will say "hey i told you so they just wana convert you" and secondly and most important iran is indirectly spreading shiism through its suport for hamas islamic jihad and other muslim "sunnni" groups and this is happeneing becuase more and mroe sunnis non salafi movements are realizing theyr ulema will never ever do soemthign like imam khomeini al-azhar actually met with isreali president!! so your seeing theyr looking to iran for political giudance which is ultimatly exposeing them to shia islamist ideology (as opposed to shirazi-yasir habib neo shiism which has shown absolutly NO succesivness in converting people to shiism with thier apolitical stance on everythign) and it is very clear palistinian groups are influenced by hizbollah and many of them especially among islamic jihad who are becoming shia as well as in hamas although they are mroe politically influenced and less religiously influenced but more interestingly among egyptian muslims brotherhood. essentially if you look at the dynamics of things going on there is a CLEAR trend of the movement of or split happening in sunnism one split is the salafi movements moving towards silence towards governments which are unislamic while claiming to be the true islam as long as they get paid and more pragmtic sunni movements who have given up waiting for people to move and scholars or movements to speak out and make thier move for revolution and are instead just joining the iran hizbollah movements and adopting shiism and there is ample evidence to prove this including ahmad nafis from egypt who was a ikhwan who became shia and another leader of ikhwan in tunisia who recently became shia in belgium i 4get his name not to mention fatahi sheqaqi and shahiid mohamad shahata from islamic jihad.
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they needed 4 witnesses becuase this tends to be the nmber becuase 4 people who witnessed an event tend to coroborate thier story and if they cant it will be obvious theyr lying becuase thier story ies will aoo be differant BUT if it was 1 person well it was his word against thiers i dont even think 4 is such an important number but its to give the suposed law breakers the upper hand to prove that thier not guilty since its such a bad punishment but like i said back in the day they lived in tents and people could be walking by the tent or hut and hear something or see lets say a woman walking into a mans house thats not his wife and just walk in or hear them through the walls but now days we have walls and doors and locks i mean you wont be able to hear sexual activity through the walls and you cant just walk in anymore so its not really usefull to have 4 witnesses so only like for example if in iran a girl is going to a boys house and a neigbor calls the copps and they come and break down the door and see them but like i said usually the people who do this stuff are smarter than that and dont get caught only foolish people get pregnant or openly do things to get in trouble. one other thing sex b4 marriage you might just be forced to be forgiven for thier sins or have to pay a fine and if you get caught again get punished... what is also funny is bernard krushner and all these other people screaming about this iranian women (who murdered her husband) do not care one bit about stoning becuase they ALL visit saudi arabi and shake kings hand and buy his oil even though he BEHEADS people for selling drugs and stone women for adultry and this is known by them....why dont they say things about saudi arabia?? this is a game alll a rediculous game there are videos on the internet of saudi men getting thier head chopped off and the executor coming on tv andbeing proud of what hes doing so why dont usa and france stop buying thier oil? or sanction them? or petition for thier release in united nations?? the fact is europeans and usa do business with china everyday which execcutes more people than anyone country on earth and only have 1 political party in the entire country but they dont complain. these are ALL games let me go a little bit farther the us army murders and rapes a little girl in haditha and even blackwater people gangraped THIER own women and put her in a container for 3 days and told her if she told on them theyd kill her or blackwater murdered 17 people in street for no reason and us courts aquited them so why do they care about some women who murdered her husband in iran when murder in the usa itself calls for execution whuch they do quite oftenly in texas....guys seriously think about it. i also heard american recently killed a man by fire squad in ohio so it makes you wonder why iran is picked on soo much and all those so called protestors are the same people who say absolutly nothing about thier govts crimes...i believe this is some kind of giult trip wheere european and americans known all of the genocides theyv commited so now they feel obligated to"help" other people to make themselves feel better ever thought thier crimes seem to never end. i mean just look at britiain the g20 protest an INNOCENT man was murdered on video by the police and when neda sultan a cia agent was killed by her own death squad of agents everone made a big deal. or again in uk a nuclear scientist against the war in iraq misteriously dies and then uk banns any investigation on his so called suicide for 60 years i mean this is seriously hilarious not to mention what the hell goes on in usa secret prisons in europe which have no access by international agencies to see what the heck is going on in there whether gang rapes or torture or murder
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ps. my cousin is a judge to be and he explained this all to me. also in according to the q about judges knownledge well in the usa you dont necesarily have to see a murder to know it happened there are ways to prove it. i mean 4 witnesses is one way but in modern day we have cameras unlike in the old days so if they put it on camera which they do this sometimes your talking about the whole world seeing this so theres no need for witnesses. or maybe lie detector test or somehting but to be honest in Iran the govt really doesnt get to involved with this stuff becuase you cannot go hunting in everyones house to see whos having sex and who isnt the culture in iran is so obsessed with this sex issue that almost 99% of men make thier to be wives take a test to see if thier a virgin they wont even marry them if thier not a virgin (meaning no vaginal penetration) and ALL iranian families demand a paper form the doctor proving shes a virgin and also the husband will check for blood so it is such an important issue its very very difficult to get away with this and rarely gets to court so if there is someone going to court they are absolute morons tobe honest.
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ps i dont know if it is considered rape or not but im just explaining what they do...also you can get lashed for sex b4 marriage but its very very rare although it does happen. but the stoning thing is also unlikely becuase of lack of evidence but in the case of this [Edited Out] women on tv (which is why your probably asking) why would you be having sex with numerous men and then GET PREGNANT WHEN YOU KNOW YOULL BE STONED IT DOESNT MAKE SENSE AT ALL...??? in iran women USUSALLY donot live alone or atleast alsmost never becuase its culturally wierd and unacceptable so if a women has a home and men are constantly visiting it it becomes kind of suspicious. so my main point is you have to be a really really big moron in iran to get this kind of punishment becuase people in iran like all islamic countries have sex b4 marriage and sometimes rarely outside marriage but theyr atleast smart enough to known the basic things not to do to NOT get cuaght... i mean its common sense to use a condom or birth control or have an abortion for this women to do this is assinine. and last people in iran are family people and these things are unacceptable in the culture maybe b4 marriage its acceptable after its happened without pregnancy because no1 knowns but if a girl were to get pregnant the whole familieis reputatioon would be destroyed and the family woul have to leave the city or move to another area becuase people would be making fun of them calling their daughter a [Edited Out] or something BUT in iran sex outside of marriage is somethin so bad that if a man finds his wife todo this he would most likely murder her and likwise a women who finds her husband do this people from her family might kill him becuase of the embarassment caused by this act or it would be taken to the judge or courts.
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absolutley not, if you do it with a girl you have to marry her and you have to sign a paper saying you will give your hand if you dont.(you also can also be punished if they catch you with 4 witnesses which is not possible or becuasue you have pictures or video of the act which some idiots actually do or obviously if you get pregnant)...which usually means you will marry her..that is it. BUT if you dont get caught well whatever. secondly this pertains to people before marriage. BUT after marriage if a women or man do it with someone else while married must be stoned or die some other way,..this is a fair punishment since i dont see why you would do something like this and embarass your wife or husband which is a big thing in iran known as "abro" or reputation, secondly youll be destroying society snd possibly kids and third you could be spreading disease such as aids etc..to husband or wife without them knowing, and last in iran its VERY difficult to have sex with someone when your married becuase everyone knowns everyone like in small viallages and anywhere except tehran and big cities becuase everyone knows who your spouse is rom neigbors to family friends so if a women or man were to be going to a house or walking with another person seems VERY unlikely since people would be gossiping like crazy in the city and eventually the origonal spouse would find out...so it normally doesnt happen but if it does EVERYONE knowsn the punishment and knows how dangerous it is to get caught so when they do somethign studpid like this they deserve exactly what they get
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i doubt this persons credentials as a marja in fact hes no officially acceted by any1 in iran or iraq as a real marja...hes one of these new proped up "reformist" marjas and should be looked at very suspiciously