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hcy786

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  1. I did not mention!! So what!! does the meaning changes!! My point is not to show to whom that letter concerned.. But to show the part in red.. If Ali (ra) using aruguments against muawiyah (ra) then why he comparing his condition to 1st 3 khalifa (ra) !! & why he said pleasure of Allah is involved ,, & this is must (bcoz the word suppose is not used) !! So if they decide upon a man and declare him their imam, then it is with the pleasure of Allah. According to shia theology they snatched the khalifat & now the letter says they become khalifa as per pleasure of Allah!! :o
  2. sorry my mistake.. i forgot to go through real arabic text.. & unfortunately i only copy-pasted the letter-6 from al-islam.org..!! & do u know what i found!! The word suppose is not in the real arabic text!! :wacko: This means that translation of al-islam is wrong..!! Now lets see what arabic real text quotes: Åäå ÈÇíÚäí ÇáÞæã ÇáÐíä ÈÇíÚæÇ ÃÈÇ ÈßÑ æÚãÑ æÚËãÇä ¡ Úáì ãÇ ÈÇíÚæåã Úáíå ¡ Ýáã íßä ááÔÇåÏ Ãä íÎÊÇÑ æáÇ ááÛÇÆÈ Ãä íÑÏ ¡ æÅäãÇ ÇáÔæÑì ááãåÇÌÑíä æÇáÃäÕÇÑ ¡ ÝÅä ÇÌÊãÚæÇ Úáì ÑÌá æÓãæå ÅãÇãÇð ßÇä Ðáß ááå ÑÖì ÝÅä ÎÑÌ ãäåã ÎÇÑÌ ÈØÚä Ãæ ÈÏÚÉ ÑÏæå Åáì ãÇÎÑÌ ãäå ÝÅä ÃÈì ÞÇÊáæå Úáì ÇÊÈÇÚå ÛíÑ ÓÈíá ÇáãÄãäíä ¡ ææáÇå Çááå ãÇ Êæáì Translation: Verily, the people who payed allegience to Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman, have payed allegience to me based on the same principles as the allegience to them. So anyone who was present has no right to go against his pledge of allegience, and anyone who was absent has no right to oppose it. And verily shura (consultation) is only the right of the Muhajirs and the Ansar. So if they decide upon a man and declare him their imam, then it is with the pleasure of Allah. If anyone goes against this decision, then he must be persuaded to follow the rest of the people. If he persists, then fight with him for leaving that which has been accepted by the believers. And Allah shall let him wander misguided and not guide him. & unfortunately i didnot found any word suppose or equivalent to it..!! :huh:
  3. Really Nahjul Balagah - Peak Of Eloquence,, letter 6 supports Abu Bakr (ra), Umar (ra) & Usman (ra) ?? Letter 6 state: Verily, those who took the oath of allegiance to Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman have sworn allegiance to me. Now those who were present at the election have no right to go back against their oaths of allegiance and those who were not present on the occasion have no right to oppose me. And so far as Shura (selection) was concerned it was supposed to be limited to Muhajirs and Ansars and it was also supposed that whomsoever they selected, became caliph as per approval and pleasure of Allah. If somebody goes against such decision, then he should be persuaded to adopt the course followed by others, and if he refuses to fall in line with others, then war is the only course left open to be adopted against him and as he has refused to follow the course followed by the Muslims, Allah will let him wander in the wilderness of his ignorance and schism. O Mu'awiya! I am sure that if you give up self-aggrandizement and self-interest, if you forsake the idea of being alive only to personal profits and pleasures, if you cease to be actuated solely by selfishness and if you ponder over the incident leading to the murder of Uthman, you will realize that I cannot at all be held responsible for the affair and I am the least concerned with the episode. But it is a different thing that you create all these false rumours and carry on this heinous propaganda to gain your ulterior motives. Well you may do whatever you like. & the most most important point: "it was also supposed that whomsoever they selected, became caliph as per approval and pleasure of Allah." What does this statement signify!! Here are wordings of Ayatolla Muhammad Husayn Tabatabai.. Describing situation when first caliph was elected, Ayatolla Muhammad Husayn Tabatabai, said: «This group (the one who chosed Abu Bakr) which was later to form the majority, set forth in great haste to select caliph for the Muslims with the aim of ensuring the welfare of the community and solving its immediate problems». Source: «A series of islam and shia» p 56, 1-st edition, printed by Ansariyan in 2005. The interesting part in this quote is a fact, that this ayatolla admitted the aim of Muslims which chose Abu Bakr. They aim wasn't taking ruling from ahlel-bayt, or make oppression. Aim was ensuring the welfare of the community. Now the matter is crystal clear.. :angel:
  4. Sigh.. what a rubbish.. completely ignorent of arabic terminology.. [Qur'an 3:61] But whoever disputes with you in this matter after what has come to you of knowledge, then say: Come let us call our sons and your sons and our women and your women and our near people and your near people, then let us be earnest in prayer, and pray for the curse of Allah on the liars. I don't know why Allah uses word women with only Fatima (ra) even she was single!! :unsure: & yes one more thing: War is not only with muawiyah (ra) but with syrian peoples + governer... If i use ur brain then: WHY ALI (ra) DID NOT SAY SYRIANS EXEPT MUAWIYAH (EDITED) !! Before getting any thing to conclusion: 1st proof that this is muawiyah(ra)'s body structure!! & not anyones other than him!! 2nd proof why Ali(ra) didnot give the clear name of muawiyah EDITED!! What stoped him to give clear name!! Mod's note: In response to the bold offering of praise to the enemies of Islam and the Ahlulbayt , Muawiyah and Yazeed, by some members on this board, the ShiaChat team have decided to warn (or ban if warnings are exhausted) any member who offers such open praise to these killers of the Ahlulbayt and the pious Companions.
  5. Alwz ur answer is ""destroying Muwayias arguments"".. Plz clearly ur answer what u want to say..
  6. refer below link: My link Searched what he quoted above, and showed to u by me. Now u can proceed. " :) plz read letter no. 58 above.. :dry:
  7. Is not haram alcohol permissible during life time of S.A.W. !!?? But afterwards it considered as haram on around 6-7AH.. same logic here.. Ur logic is baseless..
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