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14infallibles

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  1. (salam) The last shadda you counted doesn't count, because it is in the beginning of the word, and this shadda only signifies that one reads it almost as "hudallil'alamin" instead of "hudan lil'alamin". It doesn't count as a double letter. 48-1 = 47.
  2. (salam) Try recounting where you count two letters at a shadda in the middle of a word. Someone can confirm but I once read that in older arabic words were written with the letters duplicated at the shadda, and later shortened to just putting a shadda. I'm not sure about this though. Not that this makes their argument about the golden ratio right, but I just wanted to point out that it may not have been a dishonest presentation in the sense you're suggesting.
  3. Thank you both for your replies, and I apologize for the delay I wonder what sort of response Islam has to the ideas presented in this poem I can see what you're saying here, but to me I can't imagine that God would make it so even logic is unreliable. I mean, without logic, how can we know anything? The main reason why I brought up the logic assumption in the initial post is because I don't know if I can trust arguments like "you know God exists deep down", etc. I vaguely remember you making an argument similar to this about a person assuming a chair will continue to exist before sitting on it. I agree that we do assume and have faith in things in our life because of prior experiences, but why should God's existence and his religion be something that isn't knowable for sure? I would expect something this profound to be impossible to deny, especially since disbelieving in it is so heavily punishable. If God exists then is it fair that he will allow someone to live their life with the gift of strong faith and have the privilege of knowing him, while another person wanders aimlessly and live a confused and unsure life? Even if they aren't punished, is this still fair?
  4. What i said applies in general i didnt have the OP or anybody specific in mind when talking anyways sorry for derailing the thread au revoir
  5. i apologize if my initial post wasn't clear nobody said you can't enjoin good and forbid evil my friend the proper way to do it is to let the imams speak (in other words, quote ahadith about the subject as a brother already did, and let the person know that what they're doing is condemned by Allah) the improper way is to judge people and assume to know what's in their hearts. Only God knows what's in people's hearts ​As one brother already mentioned, even the infallible imams (as) would go pale during salah. i wonder if any of us has reached such a stage, and if not, then why are we sitting here thinking about how others don't feel God's presence????? we should worry about ourselves in the eyes of Allah, and not assume we know what's in people's hearts!!!!! and we should enjoin good and forbid evil for his sake alone take care
  6. We should all worry about ourselves instead of the state of others Only God knows what's in people's hearts
  7. Im thinking about how crazy it is that this thread has 641 pages ...
  8. Salam Alaykom Firstly, this discussion is under the pretext that God exists and he has a religion that we must follow (Islam), and that he also has the attributes that Islam asserts. Secondly, let's assume that logic is the tool one must use to find the truth. I have a problem with "gut feeling", following the heart, etc, because it's subjective. Many people born in various religions naturally feel that their religion is true; the only thing that we all really have in common for sure is our ability to think rationally. If you disagree with this assumption, and believe that logic is not the only tool that should be used to find the truth, please prove this to me, although funnily enough your proof itself will probably require logic (lol)... I believe there are three possibilities: i) God revealed his religion in such a way that one can come to a completely logical and independent conclusion that is the one and only true religion ii) God revealed his religion so that it is very likely that it is the one and only true religion, but there are "leaps of faith" required (you cannot justify the religion based on logic alone) iii) God revealed his religion in such a way that there are many other seemingly valid paths, although he only accepts the one true religion If it is i), can someone please provide me with the complete logical proofs of God's religion? If this is indeed true, then it would definitely be justifiable to claim that we are all responsible to follow God's religion and that God can punish us for not adhering to it. iii) is against the first assumption we made, since it would be unjust for God to deceive us and then punish us for it. It seems to me that ii) is the only option... That it's reasonable to assume that Islam is the true religion, but one cannot be 100% sure unless they "have faith" and "trust Allah". If this is true, then my question is: Is it just for God to punish us for not believing in Islam since we cannot come to a completely and independent logical conclusion that it is true? I think I might be looking at this with a very narrow perspective, which is why I am posting my question here. Hopefully you guys can help me look at things differently. Thanks, and please keep the discussion on-topic.
  9. Google (who in their right mind would even use bing lol) Sunset or Sunrise
  10. The fact that Imam Mahdi may be coming soon makes me worried; it's like the teacher tells you the unit test is tomorrow but you still haven't done any of the homework to prepare
  11. Salam alaykom If Allah does not make His Path clear to us, then how is it just for Him to punish us for not believing in it? I do not understand how making the truth unclear sorts out believers from hypocrites; to me it seems like it just sorts out people who just accept things easily from people who want to be sure about which path they choose to follow. Regarding your first point of Allah just writing "Become Muslim" in the sky, well isn't that similar to something as direct of a miracle as the Prophet splitting the moon? So people from before were given the chance to see such explicit signs while for us, the people of today, we have to just accept faith? Either way, miracles don't necessarily bring iman anyways so I guess I'm talking nonesense.
  12. Phenomena is already plural, so get rid of that e! thank you for your bad news
  13. The difference between dogs and people is that dogs know how to be dogs
  14. i cant work without background noise.. should i listen to music instead?
  15. Salam alaykom You are not answering their question I do not think that they are questioning the reasoning behind why it is not just to put children in hell; I think anyone would accept that they aren't liable for their actions. Rather, the question is, why does Allah allow some atheists to grow up (and thus be tested) but takes away the life of other children who would grow up to be atheists?
  16. The points made were very helpful What is the nature of the punishment that a kafir will go through? Is it just physical torment and suffering?
  17. Salam alaykom Why would Allah create a kafir then? I ask this because, firstly, a kafir (or any creation for that matter) obviously does not benefit Allah. Furthermore, the kafir will not benefit from existence, since a kafir's fate is eternal suffering and punishment. So where is the good, and justice, in a kafir's creation and existence?
  18. Salam alaykom I don't feel like the fact that each person has a specific capacity of iman necessarily means that this is predetermined for them, since it is part of Allah's eternal knowledge of them. I think you were trying to convey this idea. But I would like to ask, then, why would Allah create a person and punish them if He knew that a person was created in such a way that they simply did not have capacity for iman (such as people who's hearts are sealed or people who die as kuffar) "they live according to who they are, which is why they are responsible". I am confused about this statement. They were created by Allah with a specific identity (this is who they are). If who they are is a kafir, then it appears to me that they will be punished because of their own existence. I am having trouble in seeing how this can be just; are they responsible for being created a certain way? - What is the nature of these "aspects" of God that you mentioned? - Suppose there is a kafir. This kafir is the way he is because he is nothing but an "aspect" of God? I do not understand what this means. If these points are not important for understanding justice of Allah (which is what I would like to learn about by this discussion) then I don't need to know their explanation now.
  19. Salam alaykom I need some clarification on this issue. It seemed to me as I read this that you imply that Allah chooses how much iman a person has. Please explain how it would be just for some people to be blessed with iman while others are not; how does Allah choose who to give more iman to? If iman is something Allah can put in people's hearts, why do people still have to die as kuffar? Sealed hearts was also mentioned. What does it mean for someone's heart to be sealed, and why does Allah choose to seal people's hearts? This is under the pretext that people who die as kuffar, or with little iman, or as unbelievers, must suffer through eternal punishment in the hereafter. I am finding this to be difficult to wrap my head around. How can one ask Allah for guidance if they have little faith? If Allah is the one who gives people faith, then how can they ask Him for guidance if Allah still has not given it to them? Is what you say applicable to the people of today's day? More specifically, to practicing Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, etc? Also, do you imply that they are all inherently true, and lead to the path of Allah?
  20. Salam alaykom This makes sense. Even some very clear miracles can be rejected if a person really tries to reject them; today people will say it is a mystery of science, before people said it was sorcery. So i understand where you're coming from here. Where and how can one obtain this iman that you describe? You call it self-evident knowledge, but do you believe that this knowledge is self-evident to everyone, believer and non-believer? Perhaps you will say that, to obtain iman, the believer should continue to practice with pure intention of qurba lillah, and Allah will grant them iman. But what will you tell a person who has not yet accepted the faith? A person born out of the religion of Islam or a person who has doubts regarding their faith. The parents make it clear that the goal is for the child to walk. The child will see the parents, and will know to walk towards their open arms. Do you suggest that it is clear to everyone that their goal is to worship Allah and submit to Him? Can you please explain what you meant by this, sorry but I did not find the idea you were trying to convey to be very clear.
  21. Salam alaykom I appreciate the time you took to answer my questions. I understand the issue a bit more now. Take care
  22. Salam alaykom Thanks for your response The Quran - From my limited knowledge of Arabic, I do indeed notice the Quran's superior literary style, so I get what you're saying. But, what about those who don't understand Arabic? - If you are also referring to scientific miracles of the Quran, I don't find them to be very convincing. From the verses that I have heard about, I can see that the verse is open to different interpretations and so there is still some ambiguity. Also, I'm not much of a fan of proving Islam through "scientific" miracles in the Quran - Do you suggest that the Quran is as clear a miracle as Jesus (as) reviving the dead or Nabi Muhammad (s) splitting the moon? Prophet Jesus's (as) miracles - You say that he performed miracles, but not everyone got to see them. So what about those people? How did Allah reveal His religion to them? Miracles at Shrines - I hear about these miracles, but they are not clearly documented (if they are, please direct me to where I can read more about this stuff) - Regarding your family experiences, I want to point out that not everyone has the opportunity to go to the shrines of the Imams (as)
  23. P(both boys | one is a boy) = P(both boys and one is a boy) / P(one is a boy) P(both boys and one is a boy) = P(both boys) = (1/2)(1/2) = 1/4 P(one is a boy) = 1 - P(both girls) = 1 - (1/2)(1/2) = 3/4 so P(both boys | one is a boy) = (1/4)/(3/4) = 1/3
  24. Salam alaykom It's been a while, hope you're doin good :) When you say miracles from science and math, there is still some ambiguity. Some people might find them to be miracles, while others may not. However, a miracle such as the Prophet (s) splitting the moon has no ambiguity, and this is something people back then had the opportunity of witnessing, among many other miracles. Furthermore, they had the chance of going to the Prophet (s) or Imams (as) and personally asking them questions, so that any of their doubts or questions can be answered. I understand that we have Imam Mahdi (as), but he is not available for us like how the Prophets and Imams were available for the people.
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